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Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
829
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Posted - 2013.09.19 09:22:00 -
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Poster Master wrote:I am very disappointed with the blobbing and it seems most of the time it is so unnecessary it is almost not fair that those same people who blob make fun of hi-secers for being risk averse.
For instance, I was drunk playing EvE (again), so I carebeared the crap out of my ship (I will admit) by having a nullified Proteus with warp core stabs (!!!) because that day I just wanted to fly around and do exploration and generally not engage in high stress activities.
I was in a system that had one other person there, and I saw probes on d-scan but I wasn't too concerned because of the warp stabs. I must have spent 20 minutes doing different sites before the guy decloaked in his T3 and warp scrammed me. At that same time the local spiked like crazy - they were his friends.
Now I am wondering, why was the guy willing to sit for 20 minutes doing nothing but cloaking staring at my ship, and wasting the time of 20 people, when he clearly saw on my ship (1) the amount of turrets was so small it wouldn't kill a frig (2) cov ops subsystem (3) nullifier (4) scanning subsystem (5) I was doing sites, which meant I took up slots for analyzer mods ... this means my ship was gimped to heck, NO MATCH for his ship no matter how you look at it (even if he didnt know about warp stabs). Yet he waited for his buddies to show up, and wasted all of their times because obviously as soon as he scrammed me I warped away and jumped out.
Is this game nothing but blobbing anymore?
All that counts is to win. Dead capsulers might be cool....but dead.
"Also, your boobs " -á CCP Eterne, 2012
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Twylla
The Scope Gallente Federation
39
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Posted - 2013.09.19 09:28:00 -
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OP: In a cloaky/proby ship, you really needed to play rabbit better.
I suggest you get a nereus and go do laps in lowsec before you take a T3 into nulsec. You need to work out more.
Actually no. take a FACTION FIT nereus and go do laps through lowsec. If you're not sweating, you're screwing up.
EVE School is hard. ~Weapons R&D technician, arms manufacturer, weapons dealer, wormhole project manager, nulsec fleet pilot, armored warfare command/mindlink specialist, thanatos pilot, alliance executor, now retired~
I've done everything. NOW GET OFF MY LAWN! |

Llwelyn- ap-Lorwerth
Trotter Independant Trading.
1
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Posted - 2013.09.19 09:36:00 -
[33] - Quote
In short
Risk = death = more grind = misery = personal RL unhappyness = rage quit = 30k players logging on at prime time.
I hope this answers your question  |

Twylla
The Scope Gallente Federation
39
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Posted - 2013.09.19 09:49:00 -
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and how many of those players are actually the same person on main/alts?
I know of quite a few people with a half-dozen alts. A lot of PvP'ers keep an alt in the closet to get around their negative sec-status. I have an assistant account myself. It's so common, you can count on it.
so it's a bit more like 30k accounts, 15k players, and who knows how many are AFK and aren't really playing?
EVE is still a very niche community. So much so they started their own RMT system (plex). Only CCP knows how long new/returning players stick around before they cancel their subs.
CCP could go bankrupt if we cashed in all the PLEX they've flooded on the market (it's free money!). ~Weapons R&D technician, arms manufacturer, weapons dealer, wormhole project manager, nulsec fleet pilot, armored warfare command/mindlink specialist, thanatos pilot, alliance executor, now retired~
I've done everything. NOW GET OFF MY LAWN! |

Llwelyn- ap-Lorwerth
Trotter Independant Trading.
1
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Posted - 2013.09.19 09:58:00 -
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Twylla wrote:and how many of those players are actually the same person on main/alts?
I know of quite a few people with a half-dozen alts. A lot of PvP'ers keep an alt in the closet to get around their negative sec-status. I have an assistant account myself. It's so common, you can count on it.
so it's a bit more like 30k accounts, 15k players, and who knows how many are AFK and aren't really playing?
EVE is still a very niche community. So much so they started their own RMT system (plex). Only CCP knows how long new/returning players stick around before they cancel their subs.
CCP could go bankrupt if we cashed in all the PLEX they've flooded on the market (it's free money!).
You make a very valid point how many real life bums on seats are there out of the few thousand who are recorded as being logged on I would agree with you and say in reality very few. |

Victoria Sin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
468
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Posted - 2013.09.19 10:35:00 -
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Well, he has to de-cloak to lock you, even with a passive targetter (I think) and he has to lock you to scan you to know you aren't fitting a covert or an ordinary cyno and so aren't going to counter-drop him. He only knows whether you were legit anom nomming when he sees your KM.
Sucks doesn't it. Personally I hate to see KMs where people have cargo full of salvage and anom stuff, obviously fit for running them and not really much of a threat at all. Sometimes I will find the player it happened to, convo them (with an alt) and refund them their loss, including lost cargo. Obviously I don't tell my comrades I've done that, as it's against the law! |

Silvetica Dian
Manson Family
85
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Posted - 2013.09.19 11:36:00 -
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ok guys we are a ten man fleet but this next battle only needs 3 of us so i need 7 of you to volunteer to sit here and wait while we kill stuff........ said no one ever because it would be ********. you roam with the group you roam with. you take what kills come your way. you hope to find a decent match up at some point in the evening that isn't one sided. The last category is hard to find so you take the kills you find as you find them. |

E-2C Hawkeye
State War Academy Caldari State
283
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Posted - 2013.09.19 13:27:00 -
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Poster Master wrote:I am very disappointed with the blobbing and it seems most of the time it is so unnecessary it is almost not fair that those same people who blob make fun of hi-secers for being risk averse.
For instance, I was drunk playing EvE (again), so I carebeared the crap out of my ship (I will admit) by having a nullified Proteus with warp core stabs (!!!) because that day I just wanted to fly around and do exploration and generally not engage in high stress activities.
I was in a system that had one other person there, and I saw probes on d-scan but I wasn't too concerned because of the warp stabs. I must have spent 20 minutes doing different sites before the guy decloaked in his T3 and warp scrammed me. At that same time the local spiked like crazy - they were his friends.
Now I am wondering, why was the guy willing to sit for 20 minutes doing nothing but cloaking staring at my ship, and wasting the time of 20 people, when he clearly saw on my ship (1) the amount of turrets was so small it wouldn't kill a frig (2) cov ops subsystem (3) nullifier (4) scanning subsystem (5) I was doing sites, which meant I took up slots for analyzer mods ... this means my ship was gimped to heck, NO MATCH for his ship no matter how you look at it (even if he didnt know about warp stabs). Yet he waited for his buddies to show up, and wasted all of their times because obviously as soon as he scrammed me I warped away and jumped out.
Is this game nothing but blobbing anymore? Most people are not looking for a challenge they just want the kill mails to look and feel cool and to call themselves pvper's....even if its only clubing baby seals on the beach. |

Mayhaw Morgan
State War Academy Caldari State
137
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Posted - 2013.09.19 13:45:00 -
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People would rather not play the game at all than play and lose. Losing means failing and failing means being wrong and being wrong is a blow to one's ego and a blow to one's ego means a diminished sense of self-esteem/self-confidence.
People would rather not play the game at all than lose self-esteem/self-confidence. Losing literally makes them die a little bit inside . . .
"This game will belong to us, or to the sea." |

Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
488
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Posted - 2013.09.19 14:16:00 -
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Poster Master wrote:Twylla wrote:
stuff I'm sorta in that position now, having 'fallen out' of the nulsec bullsht, and now I can't put my skillset to any use in highsec 'cause of the rampant ganking and trolling. I hadn't had a mack undocked for ten minutes in my quiet, out of the way 'summer home' before I had scanners and gankers all over the place. Luckily, I'm smarter than your average bear and knew when to cut out, but it's sad.
Agreed, this creates a lack of progression. You must be lost. In EVE, the only progression is that which you direct. No hand-holding. Nor game arc. Just you, and whatever you choose to do.
Quote:In other games, you get those 3%, 5%, 1% upgrades to your character and 5 months later you pride yourself on having a 20-25% better character. This isn't "Other Games." This is EVE Online. If you're bored, that's your own problem. Try doing something different, eh? Got spare cash? Roll an Red v. Blue alt, and buy a huge stack of disposable frigates. Or buy a bunch of cheap-fit dessies and go gank folks. Or take a *serious* stab at Nul-Sec exploration (issues and all - they're juzst challenges to overcome, yanno!), or invading WHs, or...
...Or in any other way expand your horizons. If you're limiting yourself to missions or avoiding styles of play due to 'issues,' you're not taking full advantage of the game.
Llwelyn- ap-Lorwerth wrote:In short Risk = death = more grind = misery = personal RL unhappyness = rage quit = 30k players logging on at prime time.I hope this answers your question  You're doing it wrong. Podding is the consequence for failure. Sometimes it is the consequence for merely being unlucky, too. It is the spur which drives learning (as opposed to training Skills). Learning leads to increased success. Success results in IRL happiness. Happiness... Well, that's its own reward, isn't it? CCP, debuff Barges, or buff Ganking. Either will do for me, but we need more Yaaar! in this game lest it become WoW in Spaaaaace! -á~ Me |

Baron' Soontir Fel
Noob Mercs Monkeys with Guns.
26
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Posted - 2013.09.19 14:32:00 -
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Anybody who says Low-sec is dead hasn't been in FW. There are fights literally everywhere.
Dying in Eve is different because you lose all of your modules and your ship. Non-PvP'ers see this as a bad thing and don't even try to PvP because they get connected with their missioning/mining ships. PvPers know that their ships are already as good as dead.
Not being afraid to fly into danger is a skill you just have to learn. And many people don't even try. You just have to gain that association that the ship you are flying is disposable.
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Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
488
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Posted - 2013.09.19 14:41:00 -
[42] - Quote
Baron' Soontir Fel wrote:Anybody who says Low-sec is dead hasn't been in FW. There are fights literally everywhere.
Dying in Eve is different because you lose all of your modules and your ship. Non-PvP'ers see this as a bad thing and don't even try to PvP because they get connected with their missioning/mining ships. PvPers know that their ships are already as good as dead.
Not being afraid to fly into danger is a skill you just have to learn. And many people don't even try. You just have to gain that association that the ship you are flying is disposable.
Confirmin the truthiness of this.
Never fly what you can't avoid to lose. Never loiter in Old Man's Star system unless you've got teeth. If you're scared, go get podded - repeatedly - until it loses its sting. CCP, debuff Barges, or buff Ganking. Either will do for me, but we need more Yaaar! in this game lest it become WoW in Spaaaaace! -á~ Me |

Lady Ayeipsia
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
680
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Posted - 2013.09.19 15:22:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:My problem with PVP is that it takes more time than running a mission. Most of the time. Gate games happen too fast. 
Red vs Blue, PvP fleet form up to fight can take less than 20 minutes. |

Kiarra Steele
Brotherhood of the Sun
7
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Posted - 2013.09.19 15:41:00 -
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Why are people so averse to risk taking ?
Because they're saving up all their isk so they can buy a PLEX and play the game for free. - Im a Crimson Pimpernel - |

Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
364
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Posted - 2013.09.19 16:09:00 -
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A lot of the time its just that people are bored and looking for something to kill. When someone finds a target everyone wants to blow stuff up so they join in. Not today spaghetti. |

Spurty
967
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Posted - 2013.09.19 16:31:00 -
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Irony --- GòöGòùGòöGòÉGòªGòù GòæGòÜGòúGòæGòæGòÜGòù GòÜGòÉGò¬GòÉGò¬GòÉGò¥
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Captain Tardbar
Sons of Sam
522
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Posted - 2013.09.19 21:58:00 -
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People who lack the averseness to risk often make glorious kill mails where everyone in the game points and laughs at them for such behavior and the magnitude of their loss.
Unless you feel like flying around in a shuttle with 50 plex in hopes someone shoots you. "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4584
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Posted - 2013.09.20 01:28:00 -
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Lady Ayeipsia wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:My problem with PVP is that it takes more time than running a mission. Most of the time. Gate games happen too fast.  Red vs Blue, PvP fleet form up to fight can take less than 20 minutes. Multi-hour fleets of shooting structures There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |

Ougaa Baalstomp
XStratagemX
4
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Posted - 2013.09.20 07:41:00 -
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'Why are people so adverse to risk taking?'
Because everything anything risky in thisgame (fun stuff) means you have to replace stuff with ISK which is MIND NUMBINGLY BORING to obtain in almost every way.
Once someone has ground enough to purchase say a capital or T3, they never want to have to do it again, or at least not as a regular occurence..
You know I'm talking sense here. |

Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
417
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Posted - 2013.09.20 08:17:00 -
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It's a cross contaminated carebear thing.
In the early days of EvE there were Care Bears and Pirates. Carebears lived in highsec and pirates lived in low and null. The pirates would pretty much attack anyone either alone or in groups. They were real Pirates. The Care Bears hated the pirates. They were real Care Bears.
Then a funny thing happened, some of the Carebears migrated to null sec (probably as a result of an incorrect waypoint setting during a MoO holiday combined with autopilot). And just like most cancers they multiplied.
At first when other Carebears came into their areas they would dock up and wait while their precious bistot, gneiss and npc's were 'stolen' but then one day, one particularly greedy bear lost the plot undocked his entire fleet of 20 mining Apocs and unleashed a rain of (initially miner IIs) combat drones on that stealer of rocks.
This was the first null bear. The word spread and alliances and coalitions were formed.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4584
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Posted - 2013.09.20 08:24:00 -
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Ougaa Baalstomp wrote:Because everything anything risky in thisgame (fun stuff) means you have to replace stuff with ISK which is MIND NUMBINGLY BORING to obtain in almost every way.
Once someone has ground enough to purchase say a capital or T3, they never want to have to do it again, or at least not as a regular occurence.. Good thing test alliance learned how to STOP BEING POOR during an earlier conflict There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |

Cavalira
Valar Morghulis. Goonswarm Federation
174
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Posted - 2013.09.20 08:27:00 -
[52] - Quote
~Create your own reality, and don't wait for happiness~ |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4584
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Posted - 2013.09.20 10:18:00 -
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burning hot happiness all over your face? There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |

Chopper Rollins
Sky Prey
235
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Posted - 2013.09.20 11:20:00 -
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Yeah look i saw some fighters abandoned a short d-scan from a gate. Some locals would ninja PVE some faction ship blueprints out of sites. If they got spotted they would just split and leave these 20+m isk frigate sized drones around. So i fit a drake for probing, which isn't as simple as slapping on a launcher, to pinpoint something small you have to gimp it's fightability. There i am finding these expensive knick-knacks when SUDDENLY TENGU UNCLOAKS zOMGOMGOGM deploy 5 small ecm drones. He loses point, i fly away. Local tears = "Ecm eeeewwww" But i'm all like: "Ecm is the new black darling"
T3 pilots don't often seem to bother much about their sensor strength. The three kinds of people i've encountered who are not risk averse are: psychopaths, idiots, brain injured. OP troll leads to ok thread, nice.
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good. |

ZAKURELL0 LINDA
Mordu's Military Industrial Command Circle-Of-Two
13
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Posted - 2013.09.21 01:15:00 -
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Kiarra Steele wrote:Why are people so averse to risk taking ?
Because they're saving up all their isk so they can buy a PLEX and play the game for free. that takes a week of mining, or 1 weekend of carebear ratting, in null-sec...... so wt about the remaining 3 weeks plus? RIP Iron Lady |

Rhes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
221
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Posted - 2013.09.21 01:16:00 -
[56] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:It's a cross contaminated carebear thing.
In the early days of EvE there were Care Bears and Pirates. Carebears lived in highsec and pirates lived in low and null. The pirates would pretty much attack anyone either alone or in groups. They were real Pirates. The Care Bears hated the pirates. They were real Care Bears.
Then a funny thing happened, some of the Carebears migrated to null sec (probably as a result of an incorrect waypoint setting during a MoO holiday combined with autopilot). And just like most cancers they multiplied.
At first when other Carebears came into their areas they would dock up and wait while their precious bistot, gneiss and npc's were 'stolen' but then one day, one particularly greedy bear lost the plot undocked his entire fleet of 20 mining Apocs and unleashed a rain of (initially miner IIs) combat drones on that stealer of rocks.
This was the first null bear. The word spread and alliances and coalitions were formed.
You should stop kicking TEST when they're down. Not cool |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
929
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Posted - 2013.09.21 01:25:00 -
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Rhes wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:It's a cross contaminated carebear thing.
In the early days of EvE there were Care Bears and Pirates. Carebears lived in highsec and pirates lived in low and null. The pirates would pretty much attack anyone either alone or in groups. They were real Pirates. The Care Bears hated the pirates. They were real Care Bears.
Then a funny thing happened, some of the Carebears migrated to null sec (probably as a result of an incorrect waypoint setting during a MoO holiday combined with autopilot). And just like most cancers they multiplied.
At first when other Carebears came into their areas they would dock up and wait while their precious bistot, gneiss and npc's were 'stolen' but then one day, one particularly greedy bear lost the plot undocked his entire fleet of 20 mining Apocs and unleashed a rain of (initially miner IIs) combat drones on that stealer of rocks.
This was the first null bear. The word spread and alliances and coalitions were formed.
You should stop kicking TEST when they're down. Not cool
Confirming that making fun of TEST is no longer completely hilarious. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4588
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Posted - 2013.09.21 02:38:00 -
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I heard sirmolle joined ncdot
So now he is in the coalition that exists to destroy GSF
However, his alliance in reality will come to fight if it's virtually the only place there is action so There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |

Rhes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
222
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Posted - 2013.09.21 02:49:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:I heard sirmolle joined ncdot
So now he is in the coalition that exists to destroy GSF
However, his alliance in reality will come to fight if it's virtually the only place there is action so
SirMolle and LadyScarlet are in the same alliance again...the band is getting back together |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4588
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Posted - 2013.09.21 02:51:00 -
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I see progodlegend's plan is drawing together
Soon finfleet? There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
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