Of course my comments are based on the fact that it's really funny when you take into consideration that the whole "issue" that "finally" got resolved, was due to the fact this was in defense, not offense.

As an offensive measure of setting drones to assist there's no issue.

Yea and take away the falcon and blackbird too. They suck as well.

to everyone else in this thread, this is a nulli crapunda poster crying about getting a warning about using an exploit and getting caught and he thinks CCP are favoring BL for reporting them. This also will come back around to the doomportal, which isnt an exploit, unlike sitting in a pos shield with your drones outside of it.

to the OP, your alliance sucks, you guys should evac before you get reset by ncdot.

well first things first, lets see how fast CCP looks at other "exploits" before they decide to implement something to fix it, it normally takes months for them to respond, yet when something is used against someone from either the CFC or their "allies" its classified as an exploit in under a week. and then most of the posters here are part of the CFC (meh just shows how many forum warriors they are)

and your kinda missing the point. the weapons system is still exposed, there is no difference between this and pos gunning, as in both cases the player is within the shields, only difference is that one requires a person to be outside the shields and one doesn't. that's all

Had no idea one guy could control 200 falcons flown by other people.

Its a silly mechanic.

Sure it is. The exploit makes no distinction between defensive and offensive use of assists.

If you want to employ your ship's weapons in battle, that ship is supposed to be exposed to return-fire, not stowed away safely where it can't be attacked. Tit for tat and all that.

So it's a matter of amount then?

So if I can control 150 pilots' worth of drones it's ok?

The number doesn't matter. Drone assist is the only one mechanic that let's me control another ship's offensive weapon system, for everything else (ECM, TD, TP, warp disruptors/scramblers, guns, launchers,....) I need to personally target the enemy ship.

Please explain where you would offensively use a pos.

To use a Tippia's level of literal verbage... the drones are outside of the shields. The drones can be attacked.

But yes, if you want to use your weapons, you need to be outside of the shield. As of now, that is still possible and not changed.

So it's a matter of amount then?

So if I can control 150 pilots' worth of drones it's ok?

Again, the exploit is not drone assist, sorry you do not like the meta. It's using drone assist while within a pos shield (which I think it should disconnect the drones if you go inside the shield, but assist is fine).

But yes, falcons and blackbirds are indeed silly and should be removed. I'm glad you agree to that silly mechanic.(unless you mean having a FC is silly?)

But you did not use the weapons offensive weapon system. You used the drones. And not even that since you cannot control them. The pilot who deployed them does that. They only assist you. You do not decide whether they orbit or guard or warp back to their owner.

The issue which people seem to not focus on, is that you should not be able to control your drones across the pos shield, which I agree with.

I just think you guys who cry about the assist function are butthurt by it. And that conclusion came from the fact you made no mention whatsoever about pos shields being used, which is what the exploit is about.

So it's a matter of amount then?

So if I can control 150 pilots' worth of drones it's ok?

The same places (and the same way) you'd use it defensively.

To use a Tippia's level of literal verbage... the drones are outside of the shields. The drones can be attacked.

But yes, if you want to use your weapons, you need to be outside of the shield. As of now, that is still possible and not changed.

True. But you control which target my drones attack. You can't do that for any other module in the game.

The issue which people seem to not focus on, is that you should not be able to control your drones across the pos shield, which I agree with.

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I was focussing on your comment:

Come this time next year the screams to get rid of drone assist are going to be deafening. We fully intend to use this hilariously borked system.

Which as an exploit I agree with since that shouldn't be possible. But there is no mention of turrets or anything else in that blog that is referred to as a "weapon".

The three main system types are turret systems (Energy, Hybrid, Projectile), launcher systems (missiles, bombs), and drone systems.

To quote the wiki:

Attention pilots!

Customer Support has been made aware of the use of a specific defect as a tactic in combat. The defect has to do with assigning drones to another pilot and then moving into the safety of a forcefield without having the drones deactivate or return to your dronebay.

Abusing this defect to your advantage is regarded as an exploit, and henceforth will be dealt with as such in accordance with our policies. We appreciate your assistance in making sure everyone plays in accordance with the policies we have in place.

The defect in question is being worked on and will be fixed as soon as possible. If you believe you have discovered a defect, please use the bug reporting tool we have provided. Instructions on how to create a bug report can be found here:

https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Bug_reporting

Alternatively, you are always welcome to contact Customer Support directly via support ticket.

On behalf of EVE Online Customer Support

What offensive use does a pos have?

The ship isn't firing its' guns at this point The drones are

Have you even tried firing a gun through the pos wall? I suggest trying it if you are going to claim you can. If you read the exploit, you will see that using the drones to assist across the pos shield is the exploit.

But there is no mention of turrets or anything else in that blog that is referred to as a "weapon"

It's not the POS that is on offence GÇö it's the ships being supported from within it.

In other words, it is employing its weapons in battle, and therefore that ship is supposed to be exposed to return-fire GÇö i.e. being outside the shield.

In other words, you're using your weapons while still being inside the shield GÇö a tactic that is deemed an exploit since, if you want to employ your ship and its weapons in combat, that ship is supposed to be exposed to return-fire.

GǪaside from the drones, of course.

The difference is that in one case, you're using your ship, even though it's not exposed to the combat you're taking part in, whereas in the other case, you're using the POS, which is exposed to the combat you're taking part in.

And nowhere in that entire post does it say "weapon systems".

It just doesn't.

In other words. Literal verbiage. Other than.

Awesome. You conceded

But you are wrong. I copied the entire notice for you to read. It only pertains to drones

It mentions drones. Which are a weapons system, according to the official eve wiki page I quoted.

But the exploit notice is specifically set to drones.

Weapons already do not work through pos shields.

GǪthat you were the one who was using other words in an attempt to play dumb and not understand how they apply to the situation. No, the literal verbiage stands, and there is no Gǣother thanGǥ.

If you want to employ your ship's weapons in battle, that ship is supposed to be exposed to return-fire, not stowed away safely where it can't be attacked. Using drones to work around this rule is deemed an exploit because they're not meant to be any different from any of the other weapon (or support) systems in that regard.

GǪin other words, a weapon system that, like all other weapon systems, is not supposed to be usable from inside a POS shield. Unfortunately, there is a gap between Gǣsupposed to beGǥ and Gǣactually can beGǥ that is now being declared an exploit until that gap can be mechanically enforced.

GǪwhich are a weapon system just like the rest of them. So yes, we are indeed talking about weapons GÇö specifically ones that don't behave the way they're supposed to when mixed with POS shields. That's why the notice specifically talks about drones: because they're the only weapon system that is currently known to not work properly and which therefore need to be slapped with an exploit notice.

Most weapons don't, the exception being drones. That's why this anomaly is declared an exploit until mechanics can be put into place to ensure that they work the same as the other weapon (and support) systems.