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Malcanis
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Posted - 2013.09.23 12:37:00 -
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Ravens cost 135M or so when I started playing.
To put that into context, so did a 30 GTC card.
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Malcanis
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Posted - 2013.09.23 13:08:00 -
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Nova Satar wrote: Like i have said above, the use of battleships is extremely rare now, they never really die,
I don't believe you. Produce numbers.
eve-kill might be a good place to start.
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Malcanis
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Posted - 2013.09.23 13:41:00 -
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Nova Satar wrote:IIshira wrote:Your question was "Is PVP becoming too expensive?" and the answer is no.
Since I started playing in 2009 the price of battleships has gone up slightly while the price of PLEX has almost doubled. Buy orders for PLEX used to be around 350 mil and currently they're over 600 mil in Jita. This means the actual real money cost of battleships have gone down.
Yes I don't know anything about manufacturing so you got me on that one. If something CCP did to mineral costs effects the price of ships down the road I can't say but currently this has not happened.
TLDR: It has always been expensive to lose battleships in PVP. This is nothing new and hasn't changed. Most people that PVP in more expensive ships take care not to lose them.
PLEX isn't the benchmark for eve inflation so im not sure why that is relevant.
yes it is.
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Malcanis
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Posted - 2013.09.23 15:05:00 -
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Nova Satar wrote:
i honestly don't believe you're that ignorant, just very naive
just to clarify though, you're saying we've got it good and everything is bout 400% cheaper than it should be?
I'm saying that you're making unsupported assertions and also you're using the rather low rhetorical trick of saying that "battleships are too expensive" without explaining what "not too expensive" or even "not expensive enough" would be.
I am providing data to the effect that relatively speaking battleships have been far more 'expensive' than they are now, using the only reliable metric of value that we have available (game time). It's scarcely disputable that the income of the average (median) EVE player in absolute ISK terms is much higher than it was in September 2006 (which is when I started playing).
Additionally, I flatly don't believe your claims that battleships aren't used in PvP and hardly ever die when they do, and I bet you don't either. I don't believe you're that ignorant either, just dishonest.
My personal experience totally contradicts that: not only are battleships once again the standard for fleets, they're used more than ever, and they die in large numbers tyvm. Looking at INIT's alliance killboard, with the campaign that conveniently started in 01.01.2013: http://killboard.the-initiative.com/?a=cc_detail&ctr_id=5 I see 1659 BS killed and 776 BS lost. That's just from one medium sized alliance. More to the point it shows more Battleships lost and killed than any other ship class.
You'll see a similar story in most PvP alliance killboards.
Furthermore, CCP have revitalised T1 cruisers and battlecruisers, giving players access to viable yet cheaper options if they feel that battleships are too expensive for their taste.
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Malcanis
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Posted - 2013.09.23 20:53:00 -
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Battle BV Master wrote:IIshira wrote:Your question was "Is PVP becoming too expensive?" and the answer is no.
Since I started playing in 2009 the price of battleships has gone up slightly while the price of PLEX has almost doubled. Buy orders for PLEX used to be around 350 mil and currently they're over 600 mil in Jita. This means the actual real money cost of battleships have gone down.
Yes I don't know anything about manufacturing so you got me on that one. If something CCP did to mineral costs effects the price of ships down the road I can't say but currently this has not happened.
TLDR: It has always been expensive to lose battleships in PVP. This is nothing new and hasn't changed. Most people that PVP in more expensive ships take care not to lose them.
Battleship prices have gone slightly up? Slightly? Really? My first Domi (late 2010 aka a time period you also played in) cost me 59mil (that was market price in Jita, not a friend of a friend deal) Now they are 145mil. Using rough math a Domi has gone up 2,5 times in price since I started playing. A Plex hasnt even doubled... So if PLEX is a yardstick, then I'd say prices of Battleships have gone (way) up since I started playing.
It is worth mentioning that you started playing when mineral prices were at an absolute low point due to the systematic abusive farming of dronespace anomalies flooding the market with minerals. Effectively you went into the shop when it had a 75% Off All Prices sale, then came back a year later and remarked how all the prices were 4x what they used to be.
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Malcanis
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Posted - 2013.09.24 09:49:00 -
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Large Collidable Object wrote:Pvp has become cheaper.
During the recent rebalance, CCP opted to nerf anything that requires SP into the ground whilst buffing everything else (or give T2 entireley useless 'bufffs' like the MWD sig bonus on HACs, which will only help them against BS, but nothing else).
BS just got shuffled around instead of receiving a long-required buff, whereas T1 friugs and cruisers got buffed into oblivion.
Most likely, that's due to CCP not understanding their own tracking formula and constantly underrating mobility for years now.
I for once only undock my noob alt in frigs, destroyers and T1 cruisers, as they're grossly overpowered in terms of 'bang for the buck' whereas I'm about to unsub or even sell my 100+ mill SP characters.
BS just got "shuffled around" did they? Looked to me like a number of little-used BS (Hype, Mega, Raven etc) are suddenyl very viable indeed, rather than being utter jokes. I guess you could call that shuffling if you were determined not to like having an increased number of usable battleships.
Can you name a HAC that didn't get made better than it was before?
Honestly, it's like you people rejoice in not having an attention span or even basic reasoning ability.
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Malcanis
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Posted - 2013.09.24 12:47:00 -
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Nova Satar wrote:
A patch comes out and doubles the mineral use for a BS for no apparent reason....
You have been given the reason. Not liking it is not the same as getting to say it doesn't exist.
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Posted - 2013.10.30 07:34:00 -
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IIshira wrote:Josilin du Guesclin wrote:March rabbit wrote:Yes, you have more fun to pvp in cheap ship (it's easier to replace and you don't care) but your opponent feels the same. So killing his ship doesn't make him feel bad. What to do pvp for then?  For the fun of out-witting and out-fighting your opponent. Now, if you PvP to drink your enemies' tears, cheap ships might be a problem. For those who want people to be willing to come out and fight, cheap ships are great - they make it more likely that some of the risk-averse people will actually grow a pair and come on out. People complain when the losses are too cheap since there is no risk and people complain when the losses are too expensive because they can't afford it... You just can't win lol
Your losses are too cheap.
Mine are way too expensive.
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