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Captain Tardbar
Sons of Sam
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Posted - 2013.09.23 17:53:00 -
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Pretty much the only non-steam game I play is EVE.
Everything else is on Steam.
Seeing that, the only thing that would hold me back from SteamOS would be EVE itself since I play that more than I do the Steam games.
Really, the only reason I have Windows is to play games and if I don't need that, then I don't see any reason to keep using it.
So if EVE can play on SteamOS I know I'm switching.
"Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby".
If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16589
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Posted - 2013.09.23 17:56:00 -
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Linux? Not likely.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Lykouleon
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1062
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Posted - 2013.09.23 18:18:00 -
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If Gabe has managed to reverse-engineer DX9 to a point where it's stable enough to be developed on, then maybe. Otherwise, I doubt a Linux-specific client is around the corner without better Wine support.
Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER so I can hit them with my sword |
Vipre Morte
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.09.23 18:18:00 -
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They just released a Steam client for Linux this year, right?
And there's a sub-culture of EVE dedicated to playing the game on Linux via WINE.
So couldn't you run Linux right now?
I personally couldn't get EVE to work on Linux Mint about a year ago, but just lost the patience to get it fixed. That's the big thing Linux requires with stuff like that, is patience and redoing stuff when patches come out. |
Lykouleon
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1062
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Posted - 2013.09.23 18:59:00 -
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Vipre Morte wrote:They just released a Steam client for Linux this year, right?
And there's a sub-culture of EVE dedicated to playing the game on Linux via WINE.
So couldn't you run Linux right now?
There's a big difference between EVE through Wine and a native client.
Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER so I can hit them with my sword |
Mirajane Cromwell
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Posted - 2013.09.23 19:00:00 -
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Since SteamOS can stream games from your windows Steam machine, Eve is already "compatible" with SteamOS since it's available in Steam store, but the downside is that you'll need 2 computers.. one with SteamOS and one with Windows+Steam.
I hope we get Eve client that natively supports SteamOS. 
For those that haven't seen the news yet, check the SteamOS announcement: http://store.steampowered.com/livingroom/SteamOS |
Vipre Morte
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
17
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Posted - 2013.09.23 19:02:00 -
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Lykouleon wrote:Vipre Morte wrote:They just released a Steam client for Linux this year, right?
And there's a sub-culture of EVE dedicated to playing the game on Linux via WINE.
So couldn't you run Linux right now? There's a big difference between EVE through Wine and a native client.
Right, I understand that. I was just getting at the idea of being able to run a Linux flavor as your only OS right now, this moment. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16590
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Posted - 2013.09.23 19:03:00 -
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GǪalso, I don't see the point in running SteamOS on a full desktop computer. This looks more like a budget console solution that OEMs and DIY folks can slap together and immediately have access to a full library of games.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Baggo Hammers
121
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Posted - 2013.09.23 19:08:00 -
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There is no "Steam OS." It is just Linux that can stream Steam games. You have the game installed on one box, and the "steam OS" streams it to your TV. I would be very skeptical of the performance.
Everyone is looking for the Holy Grail of "Living Room/Computer Room" See Apple TV, Google TV etc.
If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there. |
Sarmatiko
1440
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Posted - 2013.09.23 19:20:00 -
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Lykouleon wrote:There's a big difference between EVE through Wine and a native client.
There is big difference between 5% playing on Linux and 95% playing on Windows.
Asking company to throw their money on fire into developing of Linux client for ~5% of players in 10 year's old game - that's idea failed by definition.
Heck, we still don't even have DX11 support because "there is not enough DX11-ready players" and someone dare to ask for native Linux client? 
-¥ |
stoicfaux
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Posted - 2013.09.23 19:29:00 -
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Tippia wrote:GǪalso, I don't see the point in running SteamOS on a full desktop computer. This looks more like a budget console solution that OEMs and DIY folks can slap together and immediately have access to a full library of games.
Or... a cheap gaming laptop (i.e. a laptop with a decent video card.) With the xbox one at $500 and the PS4 at $400, I'm thinking an Alienware X51 (aka Dell) might actually be competitive at $699. Older, cheaper gaming laptops would probably be viable as well since TV graphics resolutions are capped at 1080.
And if you're not playing modern, graphic intensive games, then even an old laptop with a generic on-board graphics chip might be enough.
Plus, a laptop would be more convenient to hook directly up to the SteamOS box via cable instead of streaming over wireless from a desktop in the next room.
Why buy a hyper-specialized, vendor locked-in console when you can re-purpose an old laptop?
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stoicfaux
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Posted - 2013.09.23 20:09:00 -
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Also, if a proper streaming only SteamBox appliance isn't announced, then I'll bet that Valve introduces a Windows gaming mini-desktop and/or laptop that runs the SteamOS in a VM. |
KuroVolt
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
734
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Posted - 2013.09.23 20:17:00 -
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Lykouleon wrote:Vipre Morte wrote:They just released a Steam client for Linux this year, right?
And there's a sub-culture of EVE dedicated to playing the game on Linux via WINE.
So couldn't you run Linux right now? There's a big difference between EVE through Wine and a native client.
Well if its going to run EVE, it better be ready to support Whine!
Eh? Eh?
...No?
Ill just leave this thread now.... |
Literally Space Moses
Perkone
Caldari State
22
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Posted - 2013.09.23 21:14:00 -
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Sarmatiko wrote:Lykouleon wrote:There's a big difference between EVE through Wine and a native client. There is big difference between 5% playing on Linux and 95% playing on Windows. Asking company to throw their money on fire into developing of Linux client for ~5% of players in 10 year's old game - that's idea failed by definition. Heck, we still don't even have DX11 support because "there is not enough DX11-ready players" and someone dare to ask for native Linux client?
5% is a very, very optimistic number. It's probably closer to at around 0.5% |
GreenSeed
703
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Posted - 2013.09.23 22:03:00 -
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unless you are planning on running eve on a TV and play with a controller or a keyboard in your lap then you shouldn't be concerned about compatibility.
otherwise, who cares?
the only thing SteamOS changes is that now nerds don't ask themselves every 1st of January "will this be the year of the linux desktop?" now they can add to that "will this be the year of the linux Desktop, or... living room?" |
Johan Civire
The Lyran Empire
659
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Posted - 2013.09.23 23:30:00 -
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Sarmatiko wrote:Lykouleon wrote:There's a big difference between EVE through Wine and a native client. There is big difference between 5% playing on Linux and 95% playing on Windows. Asking company to throw their money on fire into developing of Linux client for ~5% of players in 10 year's old game - that's idea failed by definition. Heck, we still don't even have DX11 support because "there is not enough DX11-ready players" and someone dare to ask for native Linux client?
eve was Linux support back in the beginning, however I agree on every else turn what you say. |
Sarmatiko
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Posted - 2013.09.23 23:50:00 -
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Johan Civire wrote:eve was Linux support back in the beginning, however I agree on every else turn what you say.
Probably true native EVE client never existed. It was rather prepackaged client with Cedega emulator. Wine+EVE works exactly the same way like it worked with Cedega, only now that's not official support problem.
-¥ |
Mr M
Sebiestor Tribe
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Posted - 2013.09.24 02:35:00 -
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"We accept you! We accept you! One of us!"
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Eggs Ackley
11
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Posted - 2013.09.24 03:20:00 -
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Did anyone read the announcement? "Just turn on your existing computer and run Steam as you always have - then your SteamOS machine can stream those games over your home network straight to your TV!"
The game is not running on the Steam box. It runs on your existing computer and the Steam box streams it. |
MeBiatch
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
1290
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Posted - 2013.09.24 03:55:00 -
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not eve but i would put money that dust will be ported to it.
There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people...
Winter Expansion new ship request |
Dalmont Delantee
DucKtape Unlimited
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
170
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Posted - 2013.09.24 07:01:00 -
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Hi,
I'm an OS hipster and want everything to run on my tiny pointless OS.
From my understanding there are only 198 games on steam that can currently run on that OS. So don't get too excited that every steam game can be played on it..
Its just the first step for their steam box so they can keep it cheap |
Arduemont
12 pound opinion
1888
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Posted - 2013.09.24 07:08:00 -
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Valve are pretty good most of the time. They don't make stupid design decisions that haunt them for year and years like... some companies do.
I imagine if you can use it at the moment, you will be able to use it afterwards. Linux support isn't great, so if Steam are making their own OS, you can sure as hell bet that Linux's track record with games wont even vaguely reflect on their SteamOS.
I love the fact that everyone assumes because it is Linux based, that it wont be able to run games. Do you really think one of the biggest and most influential games companies on the planet would create an OS for games, that wont run any games?
"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." |
Spurty
967
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Posted - 2013.09.24 12:07:00 -
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/me rolls eyes at the comments.
Wine has supported DX9 since 2005, 8 years later it is still supporting it. Not all of it, hell one of the updates to DX9 broke older DX9 stuff lol. Don't think Wine supports the broken things (why should it?). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DirectX for just how old (read DX9 is dinosaur old @ 11 years!)
Hopefully, DirectX 11 / OpenGL 4.0 will change things. DirectX 11 / OpenGL 4.0 are *supposed to be* aligned for features / support. Should make ports a lot simpler for the gaming industry.
Sadly, DX11 was a re-write (with level heads), so migrating EVE to DX11 (Not even thinking about other OS) will most likely be quite an effort.
My Final year project was based on DX7 so gives you an idea of how long ago I ever used DX in anger.
If I have anything here incorrect, please correct me (only if you actually know this stuff. Fan Bois comments don't actually help). I've moved away from this to working in languages most of you have no idea even exist :-) It gets very hard to keep up to date with developments outside your own languages.
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Karak Terrel
As Far As The eYe can see
Chained Reactions
299
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Posted - 2013.09.25 23:40:00 -
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Gabe Newell has stated at several occasions what the strategy behind their Linux campaign which this is a part of is.
They fear that Windows and MacOS are going into the wrong direction towards closed systems like the mobile systems of this two manufacturers. The obvious solution would be Linux, but there is no market for games on this platform yet. If there are no games, no one will use Linux as a gaming platform. If there are no Linux gamers and therefor no market, no one will write games for Linux.
What Valve is trying to do is to cold start that platform. They polish the drivers, they build the tools for the developers, they provide the method to easily distribute and deploy the games.
And now they provide a reference distribution every developer can build his game against. They don't have to consider Ubuntu, Fedora, Gentoo, ... just SteamOS. The other distributions will find their own way to get compatible to this reference system to run steam. They just solved the diversity problem Linux has in this case in the most elegant way.
Now what would be point 3? I say it will be something for the developers, that helps them to adopt their games to the new platform. The symbols suggest some kind of software beside SteamOS. I would not be surprised if i'm totally wrong about this, we will see 
Also, EVE would run perfectly fine on SteamOS/Linux and MacOS if bundled with wine or compiled against winelib. I always played EVE on Linux, my last Windows was Win 98 and I never used Mac |
Solstice Project's Alt
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
60
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Posted - 2013.09.26 00:47:00 -
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Sarmatiko wrote:Lykouleon wrote:There's a big difference between EVE through Wine and a native client. There is big difference between 5% playing on Linux and 95% playing on Windows. Asking company to throw their money on fire into developing of Linux client for ~5% of players in 10 year's old game - that's idea failed by definition. Heck, we still don't even have DX11 support because "there is not enough DX11-ready players" and someone dare to ask for native Linux client?
You know ... phyton isn't actually plattform dependent.
I know this doesn't apply nowadays anymore, but back then ..
And OpenGL is actually a prefferable solution with no downside whatsoever.
And we would have had tesselation for years, if CCP used OpenGL.
I seriously wonder how messed up their code must be ... |
Messoroz
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
428
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Posted - 2013.09.26 01:37:00 -
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Karak Terrel wrote:Gabe Newell has stated at several occasions what the strategy behind their Linux campaign which this is a part of is. They fear that Windows and MacOS are going into the wrong direction towards closed systems like the mobile systems of this two manufacturers. The obvious solution would be Linux, but there is no market for games on this platform yet. If there are no games, no one will use Linux as a gaming platform. If there are no Linux gamers and therefor no market, no one will write games for Linux. What Valve is trying to do is to cold start that platform. They polish the drivers, they build the tools for the developers, they provide the method to easily distribute and deploy the games. And now they provide a reference distribution every developer can build his game against. They don't have to consider Ubuntu, Fedora, Gentoo, ... just SteamOS. The other distributions will find their own way to get compatible to this reference system to run steam. They just solved the diversity problem Linux has in this case in the most elegant way. Now what would be point 3? I say it will be something for the developers, that helps them to adopt their games to the new platform. The symbols suggest some kind of software beside SteamOS. I would not be surprised if i'm totally wrong about this, we will see Also, EVE would run perfectly fine on SteamOS/Linux and MacOS if bundled with wine or compiled against winelib. I always played EVE on Linux, my last Windows was Win 98 and I never used Mac
I'm just happy it's not Ubuntu.
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