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Chrinson
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Posted - 2006.01.16 17:22:00 -
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I have explored a few regions in Amarr space for raw materials and processed materials and I don't see much market activity. I was trying to research the market a bit and find out if setting up a starbase would be worth it but it doesn't seem to be at all better than just mining scordite without a full mining and logistcs operation to full ship component delivery.
So my question is, with all these starbases in 0.0 mining the (I assume anyway) higher-end materials, is everyone just hoarding them for thier own reactions and does no market exist for the small-time reactions?
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Alain Josviar
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Posted - 2006.01.16 18:15:00 -
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In the backroom. What you see on the market is just left overs from player-player contracts. POS-Funtime channel and private dealings are where the POS products move, because there's not enough T2 manufacturers (read as T2 BPOs) to support regional markets thus no major activity on the market screen.
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Cairste Lakota
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Posted - 2006.01.18 19:42:00 -
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 Originally by: Alain Josviar
In the backroom.
If this is the case, is there any real financial gain to be made by a small-ish Corp who can afford to setup only 1 POS (2 at a real stretch)?
Also, without the skills to manufacture the T2 components, is there money to be made in only selling the advanced or processed materials?
According to my research, creating "Fermionic Condensates", for example, requires 7 different raw materials and 5 different reactions (including 1 complex reaction, necessitating the purchase of the full reactor). Since many of the necessary raw materials are not available on the regional market, am I likely to harvest the necessary materials in only 2 moons? How many different raw materials does each moon typically hold (don't have the skills for survey yet, haven't done any moon analysis)?
Before biting off the half-billion ISK (or more) expense of setting up and fueling a POS, I need to feel that there is a profit to be made. Right now, I don't feel that way.
I'd love to talk in-game to anyone who successfully and profitably setup a first POS, and/or anyone interested in purchasing whatever materials I might be able to create (again, haven't done any surveying).
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Acheron
Vanguard Corporation
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Alain Josviar
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Posted - 2006.01.18 21:53:00 -
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Cairste, it is quite possible to make a tidy profit running one or two POS even if you're solo. The key is to do your homework up front before spending the isk on the hardware. That means doing your scanning up front to find a good moon then jumping in on the POS Funtime channel and the trade section of the forums to flesh out buyers and possibly a contract from a reputable corp. Once you have those two bits of information then and only then spend the isk on the hardware.
My corp ran a medium and one small tower for a short while and all in all made about 300mil profit, but it was drawn out over a few months, because the corp we had a contract with defaulted after the second week. At the end of the venture there were far more profitable avenues for the time and effort spent. This is not to detract from POS operations but a warning about how fickle contracts are. The moral of the story is don't bank on one source for supply or sales for any given week.
You might also want to look at joining ISS if you're inclined to do the alliance thang or talk to some of the larger T2 producers like NAGA or BIG. I'd also aim at making at least one advanced reaction as your main profit item. Simple reactions and raws are harder to move on an individual basis.
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Kaladr
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Posted - 2006.01.18 23:02:00 -
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Agreed. The trick is finding the right set of moons. There are a lot of junk moons out there. There are also a lot of moons with POSs on them. The trick is finding some (you will need more than one usualy) that you can either
a) Sell the raw from (hard)
b) Make a decent reaction from
I don't think its possible to do a) and make a profit with buying fuel. You won't be profitable, and all it turns into is a time sink managing and hauling. You could make more money mining veldspar for that hour.
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Jazzatola
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Posted - 2006.01.19 13:48:00 -
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Everyone always says not to bother mining products like Atmospheric Gases and Silicates but someone somewhere must be doing it otherwise there'd be no supply. Are these people making a loss or are they supplementing their income with activities other than moon mining? 
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James Lyrus
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Posted - 2006.01.19 13:56:00 -
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Originally by: Jazzatola
Everyone always says not to bother mining products like Atmospheric Gases and Silicates but someone somewhere must be doing it otherwise there'd be no supply. Are these people making a loss or are they supplementing their income with activities other than moon mining?
Thing is you don't need much of a supply - they are sufficiently common that anyone can find them, near to their operation.
However increasingly I'm seeing people firing up factory, refinery, or 'base' starbases, and then mining 'whatever's there' helps subsidise the operation.
On the original subject, the market for starbase materials would appear to be Jita. Secondary activity in Amarr, Pator and Oursulaert. The complex materials shift a _whole_ lot better than the intermediates/raws, simply because they don't need to be reacted, they can just be made into T2 components.
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