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Jenn aSide
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Posted - 2013.09.24 17:33:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Murk Paradox wrote:Not to be truly rant-ish in nature or anything...
But I have seen a good share of people using "npc alt" or "npc corp" as a means to what... discredit someone? Insult them? Suggest that they have no clue what they're talking about since a character in an NPC corp would be in no position to have tried or experienced what they're complaining about and are arguing from a position of ignorance. It's the EVE version of GÇ£put your money where your mouth isGÇ¥.
That's it. But NPC corp player could be an experienced player who is in an alliance but doesn't want people to know who they "really" are. They use npc alts for forum posters to hide from the potential repercussions of their posting. I think it's cowardly when people do that.
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Jenn aSide
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Posted - 2013.09.24 17:48:00 -
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March rabbit wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Tippia wrote:Murk Paradox wrote:Not to be truly rant-ish in nature or anything...
But I have seen a good share of people using "npc alt" or "npc corp" as a means to what... discredit someone? Insult them? Suggest that they have no clue what they're talking about since a character in an NPC corp would be in no position to have tried or experienced what they're complaining about and are arguing from a position of ignorance. It's the EVE version of GÇ£put your money where your mouth isGÇ¥. That's it. But NPC corp player could be an experienced player who is in an alliance but doesn't want people to know who they "really" are. They use npc alts for forum posters to hide from the potential repercussions of their posting. I think it's cowardly when people do that. what if person is in process of changing his corps/alliances? You deny him in posting here? 
I never said anything about denying privileges, this isn't COAD. I'm mainly talking about the people who aren't just changing corp, but who are hiding behind an NPC corp alt to avoid ingame responsibility for their words.
I post from a char in my corp, and I've personally link some of my alts from time to time like my "pvp main". I don't care if you don't like what I got to say and if you think you want to "come at me bro" in game, well... come at me, bro/.....in game 
Oddly enough, even after all the hate I've gotten from a few forumites, no one has come at me, yet.
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Jenn aSide
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Posted - 2013.09.24 17:52:00 -
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Dirk Decibel wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:[quote=Tippia][quote=Murk Paradox]Not to be truly rant-ish in nature or anything...
I think it's cowardly when people do that.
I'd call it not 'not being an idiot'. Of course, if you care about e-honour much you're going to disagree. That's ok, I love ppl with e-honour! They make great targets for just about everything and tend to produce amusing drama!
Not a matter of E-honor, it's a matter of "you're really so scared of telling people you PRETEND" name?" lol.
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Jenn aSide
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Posted - 2013.09.25 01:25:00 -
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Murk Paradox wrote:
So just out of curiosity... if I belong in an alliance that does not appreciate public contact and I decide that I want to still be socially involved on these forums... my words will fall on deaf ears because I use a pilot I have in a npc corp?
That means you'r ein the wrong alliance. Join a video game group that governs your ability to communicate with other players on a video game's forum is way too much.
I was in such an alliance once I found the rule to be silly so i found a corp in an alliance that didn't take things anywhere nearthat seriously.
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Interesting. I mean, it's flat out close minded.
But interesting notion nonetheless.
Tell me something. Say you have someone of a genius caliber who only recently started playing Eve and is not in a player ran corp or has a history but obviously is smart enough to apply his/her intelligence to the game to make sense.
Do your principles still apply?
if he is new and isn't hiding, there is no issue for me, can't speak for Xen of course.
The point is that being scared of other players in a game to the point of needing to hide behind yet another pretend name is something i consider to be extremely lame. CCP allows it, so to each his own.
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Jenn aSide
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Posted - 2013.09.25 16:25:00 -
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Murk Paradox wrote:Ingame responsibility for their words...
Like what?
You aren't going to wardec anyone regardless of if you like what they post or not.
I have yet to receive any fallout ingame for anything I've posted here, and in fact have been involved some very interesting conversations.
Which proves that the people hiding behind npc corp alts just to post on a forum are being silly. That's the entire point. People want to imagine they are so important that they HAVE to hide their true in-game identity.
In a way, it's a similar thing to how people post that they are elaving, as if the lose of their anywhere from 1 to 20 accounts (lol) is so important that it's going to bankrupt ccp. People who really don't like CCP or EVE just leave quietly lol. |
Jenn aSide
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Posted - 2013.09.25 16:32:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:Dirk Decibel wrote:My main reason for usually posting with a NPC char: freedom to say whatever you want without the risk of it ever coming back to bite you in the behind. Even though chances of that happening are very slim, why take the risk? It's not like I gain anything by posting with my so called 'mains'. Credibility? WTF do I need forum credibility for? Should the need for it ever arise I'll find a way to get it.
As has been said by several people, cowardice. If you can't fully support your own position, why should anyone else? That is why people tend to use posting from NPC alts to attack your position, because you yourself are essentially telling everyone that you don't really believe the stuff your saying. Hint: No one actually goes after people for posting on the forums.
Exactly.
I have this terrible tendency to imagine I'm conversing with grown men (since no women play EVE) why I type words. I , as an adult, stand behind every word I type and if I decide to one day run for the CSM, i have no fear in putting my real actual name behind those words either. Being honest about who I am and what I'm saying is a show of respect.
This might be a little left field, but I think the reason why the people I tend to argue with (overwhelmingly npc alts) tend to question everyone's motives (you know, the, "you just want me to play your way" people) is because deep down they understand that their own motives are less than pure (evidenced by the hiding behind an alt) and project that onto others. In otherwords, they think everyone is basically as dishonest as they are, which is a common human belief. |
Jenn aSide
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Posted - 2013.09.25 23:04:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:There is no harm at all in hiding behind a forum alt... as long as you understand that whatever you say will be perceived to be an opinion you are not willing to stand behind.
Now if you post with your main, whether you are right or wrong... agreed with or ridiculed... whatever, at least people get the strong impression that they got your straight opinion on the matter and are willing to be associated with that opinion.
I only post on this character because I want you to know that, whether you agree with my opinion or not, I didn't simply troll you.... I told it exactly the way I see it. Nor am I afraid to admit it if you show me there was something to the conversation I hadn't considered.
Obviously all characters (main or not) are a mask of anonymity for the real people that play them... but there you have it.
This, so much this in fact. Real me may be male, but Avatar me ain't and is gonna have me some Ranger1 Babies!
The people I have the most respct for are those who have served on the CSM. They have to tell us who they really are before we can even vote for them, and in this age of internet crazies, that takes (real, not virtual) balls.
And I appreciate balls....wait that didn't sound right.
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