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Murk Paradox
Duty. The Cursed Few
530
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Posted - 2013.09.24 16:58:00 -
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Not to be truly rant-ish in nature or anything...
But I have seen a good share of people using "npc alt" or "npc corp" as a means to what... discredit someone? Insult them?
I do not get it.
If a goon says "pubbie" (like they aren't the pubbie here anyways or something heh) it's funny how it's meant to be a slight. I mean seriously, a npc corp member has more connection to the eve forums than an offsite member....
Food for thought.
But anyways, back to the point. If I was not in a npc corp (Which I'm not) and you did not like what I said on the forums... what exactly are you going to do about it?
Wardec my corp?
Set a bounty?
Do you honestly think saying "publord" or "npc alt" or "npc corp member" or any version of is going to make any sort of... impact?
Anyways, like I said, it's not a rant or anything, just something that seems so out of place in a game made for alts and subterfuge looks so odd when you poster like you're being cool for calling someone what amounts to be... well, actually more important than yourself (collective "you" to those who call others those names).
It just looks way too much like you see someone insult someone in a language they don't understand. What's the point if they don't understand? This post has been signed by Murk Paradox and no other accounts, alternate or otherwise. Any other post claiming to be this holder's is subject to being banned at the discretion of the GM Team as it would violate the TOS in regards to impersonation. Signed, Murk Paradox. In triplicate. |

Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
3573
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Posted - 2013.09.24 17:01:00 -
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Grrr goons?
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16599
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Posted - 2013.09.24 17:02:00 -
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Murk Paradox wrote:Not to be truly rant-ish in nature or anything...
But I have seen a good share of people using "npc alt" or "npc corp" as a means to what... discredit someone? Insult them? Suggest that they have no clue what they're talking about since a character in an NPC corp would be in no position to have tried or experience what they're complaining about and are arguing from a position of ignorance.
It's the EVE version of GÇ£put your money where your mouth isGÇ¥. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |

Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
1125
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Posted - 2013.09.24 17:07:00 -
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It kind of sounds like a 13yo complaining about how life is so difficult. |

PotatoOverdose
SONS of LEGION RISE of LEGION
165
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Posted - 2013.09.24 17:09:00 -
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A certain degree of accountability. For example: If you're giving someone advice about solo pvp, it would be helpful if you've actually solo pvp'd before.
A mission runner whose never been in sov before could comment on sov mechanics, despite never having actually even been in sov. Since any NPC alt can say anything without any way to confirm if they actually have any relevant experience, it makes their opinions fairly worthless. |

Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
700
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Posted - 2013.09.24 17:12:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Murk Paradox wrote:Not to be truly rant-ish in nature or anything...
But I have seen a good share of people using "npc alt" or "npc corp" as a means to what... discredit someone? Insult them? Suggest that they have no clue what they're talking about since a character in an NPC corp would be in no position to have tried or experience what they're complaining about and are arguing from a position of ignorance. It's the EVE version of GÇ£put your money where your mouth isGÇ¥.
Sadly, we can't really base people knowledge of the game on thier corp. There are idiots everywhere. I mean look at me. I am not in a NPC corp but that does not mean I really know anything even about running a corp. I only save 11% fixed corp tax. |

Solstice Project's Alt
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
51
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Posted - 2013.09.24 17:14:00 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Tippia wrote:Murk Paradox wrote:Not to be truly rant-ish in nature or anything...
But I have seen a good share of people using "npc alt" or "npc corp" as a means to what... discredit someone? Insult them? Suggest that they have no clue what they're talking about since a character in an NPC corp would be in no position to have tried or experience what they're complaining about and are arguing from a position of ignorance. It's the EVE version of GÇ£put your money where your mouth isGÇ¥. Sadly, we can't really base people knowledge of the game on thier corp. There are idiots everywhere. I mean look at me. I am not in a NPC corp but that does not mean I really know anything even about running a corp. I only save 11% fixed corp tax. Wow, your lips look awesome. I know a corp you could create, you'd have lots of customers. ^_^ |

Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
700
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Posted - 2013.09.24 17:14:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:A certain degree of accountability. For example: If you're giving someone advice about solo pvp, it would be helpful if you've actually solo pvp'd before.
A mission runner whose never been in sov before could comment on sov mechanics, despite never having actually even been in sov. Since any NPC alt can say anything without any way to confirm if they actually have any relevant experience, it makes their opinions fairly worthless.
Except in world of alts, this is a completely stupid way opf looking at someone's post. The big problem coming from these accusation of NPC corp and other various similar accusation is they attack the avatar of the poster inseatd of his content. It's the easy way to counter a post and yet, it's always used as if it was a legit counter by many people instead of putting facts foward to prove thier own side of the discussion to be better. |

PotatoOverdose
SONS of LEGION RISE of LEGION
165
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Posted - 2013.09.24 17:16:00 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:A certain degree of accountability. For example: If you're giving someone advice about solo pvp, it would be helpful if you've actually solo pvp'd before.
A mission runner whose never been in sov before could comment on sov mechanics, despite never having actually even been in sov. Since any NPC alt can say anything without any way to confirm if they actually have any relevant experience, it makes their opinions fairly worthless. Except in world of alts, this is a completely stupid way opf looking at someone's post. The big problem coming from these accusation of NPC corp and other various similar accusation is they attack the avatar of the poster inseatd of his content. It's the easy way to counter a post and yet, it's always used as if it was a legit counter by many people instead of putting facts foward to prove thier own side of the discussion to be better. So post with your main and be judged on the quality of your content. Problem solved.
Everyone has a main, right? |

Amhra Rho
Accujac Elimination
56
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Posted - 2013.09.24 17:19:00 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Sadly, we can't really base people knowledge of the game on thier corp. There are idiots everywhere. I mean look at me. I am not in a NPC corp but that does not mean I really know anything even about running a corp. I only save 11% fixed corp tax. Yeppers ^^. Also, lots of alts of very experienced players live in NPC corps for a variety of reasons.
There's real reasons why your Eve character doesn't do /dance. |

Dirk Decibel
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
40
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Posted - 2013.09.24 17:23:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:A certain degree of accountability. For example: If you're giving someone advice about solo pvp, it would be helpful if you've actually solo pvp'd before.
A mission runner whose never been in sov before could comment on sov mechanics, despite never having actually even been in sov. Since any NPC alt can say anything without any way to confirm if they actually have any relevant experience, it makes their opinions fairly worthless. Ah yes, this is the excuse that is often used to disregard anything a NPC char says, even if it is making perfect sense :P |

PotatoOverdose
SONS of LEGION RISE of LEGION
166
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Posted - 2013.09.24 17:25:00 -
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Dirk Decibel wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:A certain degree of accountability. For example: If you're giving someone advice about solo pvp, it would be helpful if you've actually solo pvp'd before.
A mission runner whose never been in sov before could comment on sov mechanics, despite never having actually even been in sov. Since any NPC alt can say anything without any way to confirm if they actually have any relevant experience, it makes their opinions fairly worthless. Ah yes, this is the excuse that is often used to disregard anything a NPC char says, even if it is making perfect sense :P Who is the absolute arbiter for "perfect sense?" It is relative, an opinion, in this case yours.
If what you say makes perfect sense, why not post it with your main?
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Murk Paradox
Duty. The Cursed Few
530
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Posted - 2013.09.24 17:28:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Murk Paradox wrote:Not to be truly rant-ish in nature or anything...
But I have seen a good share of people using "npc alt" or "npc corp" as a means to what... discredit someone? Insult them? Suggest that they have no clue what they're talking about since a character in an NPC corp would be in no position to have tried or experienced what they're complaining about and are arguing from a position of ignorance. It's the EVE version of GÇ£put your money where your mouth isGÇ¥.
If we did not currently have such an issue of having alts and claiming who is what... or have a character bazaar... I'd almost be inclined to agree. This post has been signed by Murk Paradox and no other accounts, alternate or otherwise. Any other post claiming to be this holder's is subject to being banned at the discretion of the GM Team as it would violate the TOS in regards to impersonation. Signed, Murk Paradox. In triplicate. |

Murk Paradox
Duty. The Cursed Few
530
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Posted - 2013.09.24 17:29:00 -
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Abdiel Kavash wrote:It kind of sounds like a 13yo complaining about how life is so difficult.
Oh no, this is no complaint. I just think it's amusing. I figure its a good way to have a fun thread without people getting truly butthurt.
If I failed in that I apologize you feel so strongly about it, it was not my intent. This post has been signed by Murk Paradox and no other accounts, alternate or otherwise. Any other post claiming to be this holder's is subject to being banned at the discretion of the GM Team as it would violate the TOS in regards to impersonation. Signed, Murk Paradox. In triplicate. |

Murk Paradox
Duty. The Cursed Few
530
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Posted - 2013.09.24 17:31:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:A certain degree of accountability. For example: If you're giving someone advice about solo pvp, it would be helpful if you've actually solo pvp'd before.
A mission runner whose never been in sov before could comment on sov mechanics, despite never having actually even been in sov. Since any NPC alt can say anything without any way to confirm if they actually have any relevant experience, it makes their opinions fairly worthless. Except in world of alts, this is a completely stupid way opf looking at someone's post. The big problem coming from these accusation of NPC corp and other various similar accusation is they attack the avatar of the poster inseatd of his content. It's the easy way to counter a post and yet, it's always used as if it was a legit counter by many people instead of putting facts foward to prove thier own side of the discussion to be better. So post with your main and be judged on the quality of your content. Problem solved. Everyone has a main, right?
That's kind of my point.
Every pilot is a main, for the most part. Eve is not built for twink characters. There is no twink alt L7 with all purples in this game. This post has been signed by Murk Paradox and no other accounts, alternate or otherwise. Any other post claiming to be this holder's is subject to being banned at the discretion of the GM Team as it would violate the TOS in regards to impersonation. Signed, Murk Paradox. In triplicate. |

Murk Paradox
Duty. The Cursed Few
530
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Posted - 2013.09.24 17:32:00 -
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My other pilot is an industrial pilot. He is not an alt. This post has been signed by Murk Paradox and no other accounts, alternate or otherwise. Any other post claiming to be this holder's is subject to being banned at the discretion of the GM Team as it would violate the TOS in regards to impersonation. Signed, Murk Paradox. In triplicate. |

Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
2854
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Posted - 2013.09.24 17:33:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Murk Paradox wrote:Not to be truly rant-ish in nature or anything...
But I have seen a good share of people using "npc alt" or "npc corp" as a means to what... discredit someone? Insult them? Suggest that they have no clue what they're talking about since a character in an NPC corp would be in no position to have tried or experienced what they're complaining about and are arguing from a position of ignorance. It's the EVE version of GÇ£put your money where your mouth isGÇ¥.
That's it. But NPC corp player could be an experienced player who is in an alliance but doesn't want people to know who they "really" are. They use npc alts for forum posters to hide from the potential repercussions of their posting. I think it's cowardly when people do that.
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PotatoOverdose
SONS of LEGION RISE of LEGION
166
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Posted - 2013.09.24 17:36:00 -
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Murk Paradox wrote:
If we did not currently have such an issue of having alts and claiming who is what... or have a character bazaar... I'd almost be inclined to agree.
Getting a character of the bazaar is significantly more involved and happens far less often than creating an npc alt. "Post with your main" is an imperfect system, but it's better than the alternatives.
Why, every single character in this thread from an npc char could be the same person (pator school representatives, I'm looking at you ), talking to themselves, supporting their own arguments since it takes all of one minute to make an npc alt. This of course is true of any avatar, but it requires far more effort to make a character that looks like a "main". |

March rabbit
epTa Team Inc.
760
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Posted - 2013.09.24 17:37:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Tippia wrote:Murk Paradox wrote:Not to be truly rant-ish in nature or anything...
But I have seen a good share of people using "npc alt" or "npc corp" as a means to what... discredit someone? Insult them? Suggest that they have no clue what they're talking about since a character in an NPC corp would be in no position to have tried or experienced what they're complaining about and are arguing from a position of ignorance. It's the EVE version of GÇ£put your money where your mouth isGÇ¥. That's it. But NPC corp player could be an experienced player who is in an alliance but doesn't want people to know who they "really" are. They use npc alts for forum posters to hide from the potential repercussions of their posting. I think it's cowardly when people do that. what if person is in process of changing his corps/alliances? You deny him in posting here?  |

PotatoFamine
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.09.24 17:37:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:Murk Paradox wrote:
If we did not currently have such an issue of having alts and claiming who is what... or have a character bazaar... I'd almost be inclined to agree.
Getting a character of the bazaar is significantly more involved and happens far less often than creating an npc alt. "Post with your main" is an imperfect system, but it's better than the alternatives. Why, every single character in this thread from an npc char could be the same person (pator school representatives, I'm looking at you  ), talking to themselves, supporting their own arguments since it take all of one minute to make an npc alt. This of course is true of any avatar, but it requires far more effort to make a character that looks like a "main".
Case in point. |

Dirk Decibel
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
40
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Posted - 2013.09.24 17:47:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:Dirk Decibel wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:A certain degree of accountability. For example: If you're giving someone advice about solo pvp, it would be helpful if you've actually solo pvp'd before.
A mission runner whose never been in sov before could comment on sov mechanics, despite never having actually even been in sov. Since any NPC alt can say anything without any way to confirm if they actually have any relevant experience, it makes their opinions fairly worthless. Ah yes, this is the excuse that is often used to disregard anything a NPC char says, even if it is making perfect sense :P Who is the absolute arbiter for "perfect sense?" It is relative, an opinion, in this case yours. If what you say makes perfect sense, why not post it with your main? There are opinions and facts sir. Facts do not become opinions cause they aren't posted with so called 'mains'.
Also, what makes a 'main'? Can a 'main' not be in a NPC corp?
Furthermore: if you cannot think of any reasons why anyone would be careful about sharing their (ingame) identity in a game like EVE online, well... |

Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
2854
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Posted - 2013.09.24 17:48:00 -
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March rabbit wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Tippia wrote:Murk Paradox wrote:Not to be truly rant-ish in nature or anything...
But I have seen a good share of people using "npc alt" or "npc corp" as a means to what... discredit someone? Insult them? Suggest that they have no clue what they're talking about since a character in an NPC corp would be in no position to have tried or experienced what they're complaining about and are arguing from a position of ignorance. It's the EVE version of GÇ£put your money where your mouth isGÇ¥. That's it. But NPC corp player could be an experienced player who is in an alliance but doesn't want people to know who they "really" are. They use npc alts for forum posters to hide from the potential repercussions of their posting. I think it's cowardly when people do that. what if person is in process of changing his corps/alliances? You deny him in posting here? 
I never said anything about denying privileges, this isn't COAD. I'm mainly talking about the people who aren't just changing corp, but who are hiding behind an NPC corp alt to avoid ingame responsibility for their words.
I post from a char in my corp, and I've personally link some of my alts from time to time like my "pvp main". I don't care if you don't like what I got to say and if you think you want to "come at me bro" in game, well... come at me, bro/.....in game 
Oddly enough, even after all the hate I've gotten from a few forumites, no one has come at me, yet.
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Dirk Decibel
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
40
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Posted - 2013.09.24 17:50:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:[quote=Tippia][quote=Murk Paradox]Not to be truly rant-ish in nature or anything...
I think it's cowardly when people do that.
I'd call it not 'not being an idiot'. Of course, if you care about e-honour much you're going to disagree. That's ok, I love ppl with e-honour! They make great targets for just about everything and tend to produce amusing drama! |

Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
2854
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Posted - 2013.09.24 17:52:00 -
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Dirk Decibel wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:[quote=Tippia][quote=Murk Paradox]Not to be truly rant-ish in nature or anything...
I think it's cowardly when people do that.
I'd call it not 'not being an idiot'. Of course, if you care about e-honour much you're going to disagree. That's ok, I love ppl with e-honour! They make great targets for just about everything and tend to produce amusing drama! Not a matter of E-honor, it's a matter of "you're really so scared of telling people you PRETEND" name?" lol.
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Dirk Decibel
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
40
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Posted - 2013.09.24 17:53:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:[ I post from a char in my corp, and I've personally link some of my alts from time to time like my "pvp main". I don't care if you don't like what I got to say and if you think you want to "come at me bro" in game, well... come at me, bro/.....in game  Oddly enough, even after all the hate I've gotten from a few forumites, no one has come at me, yet. So even when posting with your main, ppl don't think you're relevant enough to go after you.  |

PotatoOverdose
SONS of LEGION RISE of LEGION
166
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Posted - 2013.09.24 17:54:00 -
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Dirk Decibel wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:Dirk Decibel wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:A certain degree of accountability. For example: If you're giving someone advice about solo pvp, it would be helpful if you've actually solo pvp'd before.
A mission runner whose never been in sov before could comment on sov mechanics, despite never having actually even been in sov. Since any NPC alt can say anything without any way to confirm if they actually have any relevant experience, it makes their opinions fairly worthless. Ah yes, this is the excuse that is often used to disregard anything a NPC char says, even if it is making perfect sense :P Who is the absolute arbiter for "perfect sense?" It is relative, an opinion, in this case yours. If what you say makes perfect sense, why not post it with your main? [1] There are opinions and facts sir. Facts do not become opinions cause they aren't posted with so called 'mains'. [2] Also, what makes a 'main'? Can a 'main' not be in a NPC corp? [3] Furthermore: if you cannot think of any reasons why anyone would be careful about sharing their (ingame) identity in a game like EVE online, well... [1] Something making "perfect sense" is an opinion, like I said earlier.
[2] If your main has been in an NPC corp your entire career, many people will ignore what you have to say on certain topics, e.g. sov, in whcih you have no experience. If you need medical advice, who do you ask, a doctor or some hobo off the street? Granted, the hobo may have some experience with needles, but still...
[3] If you lack the courage or conviction in your own posts to "put your money where your mouth is", why should anyone else heed what you say? If you cannot fully support your own position, why should anyone else? |

Murk Paradox
Duty. The Cursed Few
530
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Posted - 2013.09.24 17:55:00 -
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Ingame responsibility for their words...
Like what?
You aren't going to wardec anyone regardless of if you like what they post or not.
I have yet to receive any fallout ingame for anything I've posted here, and in fact have been involved some very interesting conversations. This post has been signed by Murk Paradox and no other accounts, alternate or otherwise. Any other post claiming to be this holder's is subject to being banned at the discretion of the GM Team as it would violate the TOS in regards to impersonation. Signed, Murk Paradox. In triplicate. |

PotatoFamine
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.09.24 17:57:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote: [1] Something making "perfect sense" is an opinion, like I said earlier.
[2] If your main has been in an NPC corp your entire career, many people will ignore what you have to say on certain topics, e.g. sov, in whhich you have no experience. If you need medical advice, who do you ask, a doctor or some hobo off the street? Granted, the hobo may have some experience with needles, but still...
[3] If you lack the courage or conviction in your own posts to "put your money where your mouth is", why should anyone else heed what you say? If you cannot fully support your own position, why should anyone else?
Listen to this man, he is absolutely correct and devilishly handsome. |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8803
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Posted - 2013.09.24 17:59:00 -
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this is my main and I post a lot
nobody has come after me in-game because of something I've posted; the most I've gotten is people recognizing me in local Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |

Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
3266
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Posted - 2013.09.24 18:02:00 -
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To sum up: Eve is dying. |
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