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PotatoOverdose
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Posted - 2013.09.24 17:09:00 -
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A certain degree of accountability. For example: If you're giving someone advice about solo pvp, it would be helpful if you've actually solo pvp'd before.
A mission runner whose never been in sov before could comment on sov mechanics, despite never having actually even been in sov. Since any NPC alt can say anything without any way to confirm if they actually have any relevant experience, it makes their opinions fairly worthless. |
PotatoOverdose
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Posted - 2013.09.24 17:16:00 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:A certain degree of accountability. For example: If you're giving someone advice about solo pvp, it would be helpful if you've actually solo pvp'd before.
A mission runner whose never been in sov before could comment on sov mechanics, despite never having actually even been in sov. Since any NPC alt can say anything without any way to confirm if they actually have any relevant experience, it makes their opinions fairly worthless. Except in world of alts, this is a completely stupid way opf looking at someone's post. The big problem coming from these accusation of NPC corp and other various similar accusation is they attack the avatar of the poster inseatd of his content. It's the easy way to counter a post and yet, it's always used as if it was a legit counter by many people instead of putting facts foward to prove thier own side of the discussion to be better.
So post with your main and be judged on the quality of your content. Problem solved.
Everyone has a main, right? |
PotatoOverdose
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Posted - 2013.09.24 17:25:00 -
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Dirk Decibel wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:A certain degree of accountability. For example: If you're giving someone advice about solo pvp, it would be helpful if you've actually solo pvp'd before.
A mission runner whose never been in sov before could comment on sov mechanics, despite never having actually even been in sov. Since any NPC alt can say anything without any way to confirm if they actually have any relevant experience, it makes their opinions fairly worthless. Ah yes, this is the excuse that is often used to disregard anything a NPC char says, even if it is making perfect sense :P
Who is the absolute arbiter for "perfect sense?" It is relative, an opinion, in this case yours.
If what you say makes perfect sense, why not post it with your main?
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PotatoOverdose
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Posted - 2013.09.24 17:36:00 -
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Murk Paradox wrote:
If we did not currently have such an issue of having alts and claiming who is what... or have a character bazaar... I'd almost be inclined to agree.
Getting a character of the bazaar is significantly more involved and happens far less often than creating an npc alt. "Post with your main" is an imperfect system, but it's better than the alternatives.
Why, every single character in this thread from an npc char could be the same person (pator school representatives, I'm looking at you  ), talking to themselves, supporting their own arguments since it takes all of one minute to make an npc alt. This of course is true of any avatar, but it requires far more effort to make a character that looks like a "main". |
PotatoOverdose
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Posted - 2013.09.24 17:54:00 -
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Dirk Decibel wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:Dirk Decibel wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:A certain degree of accountability. For example: If you're giving someone advice about solo pvp, it would be helpful if you've actually solo pvp'd before.
A mission runner whose never been in sov before could comment on sov mechanics, despite never having actually even been in sov. Since any NPC alt can say anything without any way to confirm if they actually have any relevant experience, it makes their opinions fairly worthless. Ah yes, this is the excuse that is often used to disregard anything a NPC char says, even if it is making perfect sense :P Who is the absolute arbiter for "perfect sense?" It is relative, an opinion, in this case yours. If what you say makes perfect sense, why not post it with your main? [1] There are opinions and facts sir. Facts do not become opinions cause they aren't posted with so called 'mains'. [2] Also, what makes a 'main'? Can a 'main' not be in a NPC corp? [3] Furthermore: if you cannot think of any reasons why anyone would be careful about sharing their (ingame) identity in a game like EVE online, well...
[1] Something making "perfect sense" is an opinion, like I said earlier.
[2] If your main has been in an NPC corp your entire career, many people will ignore what you have to say on certain topics, e.g. sov, in whcih you have no experience. If you need medical advice, who do you ask, a doctor or some hobo off the street? Granted, the hobo may have some experience with needles, but still...
[3] If you lack the courage or conviction in your own posts to "put your money where your mouth is", why should anyone else heed what you say? If you cannot fully support your own position, why should anyone else? |
PotatoOverdose
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Posted - 2013.09.24 18:10:00 -
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Dirk Decibel wrote:My main reason for usually posting with a NPC char: freedom to say whatever you want without the risk of it ever coming back to bite you in the behind. Even though chances of that happening are very slim, why take the risk? It's not like I gain anything by posting with my so called 'mains'. Credibility? WTF do I need forum credibility for? Should the need for it ever arise I'll find a way to get it.
As has been said by several people, cowardice. If you can't fully support your own position, why should anyone else? That is why people tend to use posting from NPC alts to attack your position, because you yourself are essentially telling everyone that you don't really believe the stuff your saying.
Hint: No one actually goes after people for posting on the forums. |
PotatoOverdose
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Posted - 2013.09.24 18:16:00 -
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Dirk Decibel wrote:
Now why the hell should I care if anyone else heeds what I say? If they are semi sane they will recognize any sound advice or opinion regardless of my (lack of) reputation. If they don't, no skin of my back.
So there really isn't ANY reason to post with so called 'mains' for me personally.
If you don't care what others think of you posting from an npc alt, why are you posting in a thread about people posting from npc alts.
This would be an example of something that does not make sense.  |
PotatoOverdose
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Posted - 2013.09.24 18:26:00 -
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Dirk Decibel wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:Dirk Decibel wrote:
Now why the hell should I care if anyone else heeds what I say? If they are semi sane they will recognize any sound advice or opinion regardless of my (lack of) reputation. If they don't, no skin of my back.
So there really isn't ANY reason to post with so called 'mains' for me personally.
If you don't care what others think of you posting from an npc alt, why are you posting in a thread about people posting from npc alts. This would be an example of something that does not make sense. If you must know: I posted here cuz I've always found the 'post with ur main' ranting ridiculous and I expected a lot of hurf blurf about cowardness, credibility and so on that would be slightly amusing. I was not disappointed! 
So, you do in fact care what people think about you posting with an NPC alt. So your earlier statements were in fact disingenuous.
See this is what I was talking about . Support your position 100% dammit. Post with your main about how you feel NPC alts should be respected.  |
PotatoOverdose
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Posted - 2013.09.24 19:03:00 -
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Caviar Liberta wrote:
Of course there might be that NPC Corp player who's been around long enough to rack up a good kill board and figured he or she didn't need to join a corp.
And that's totally cool. That also means he has zero experience in certain other parts of the game e.g. sov, so his opinion would be regarded as worth less in that context. But in other contexts, e.g. solo pvp, he can certainly reference his background if someone questions it.
Murk Paradox wrote:Say you have someone of a genius caliber who ....
Genius posts on the Eve forums. Ah, thanks for the laugh man, I needed it. |
PotatoOverdose
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Posted - 2013.09.25 22:00:00 -
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Georgina Parmala wrote:
Most? You're most probably right.
Some? See: any Harry Forever thread that turns into lol cyno killer with warp stabbed bomber regardless of topic. If someone is talking about solo pvp on an NPC alt, the attack at NPC alt comes from a failed attempt in scouring killboards for solo kills. Trying to attack the player's (supposed lack of) appropriate experience to discuss the topic, rather than the topic itself.
That's just goons being goons though. Harry Forever bombs goon cyno's and industrials. He apparently does it a lot , is isk efficient, and does it enough to get noticed. It even elicits a response from them. Goons also often ridicule posts by members of N3/NC. So what?
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PotatoOverdose
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Posted - 2013.09.26 00:09:00 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:A certain degree of accountability. For example: If you're giving someone advice about solo pvp, it would be helpful if you've actually solo pvp'd before.
A mission runner whose never been in sov before could comment on sov mechanics, despite never having actually even been in sov. Since any NPC alt can say anything without any way to confirm if they actually have any relevant experience, it makes their opinions fairly worthless. Perhaps the opinion and relevance of alt posts should be judged by their content?
If you cannot even support your own content, why should someone else bother with it? |
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