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Omar Alharazaad
ZomCom
69
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Posted - 2013.09.25 13:40:00 -
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I post with my main. I had an alt, but I caught him embezzling from the corp so I booted him. He ragequit shortly thereafter. I try to speak my mind on topics that I actually have an opinion on, on topics I don't, well... I remain silent. If I **** someone off enough with what I have to say that they wardec me, well that's EVE. I've seen Kane wardec people for their forum posts, but to be fair most of those who had that happen to them were um... less than diplomatic in their expression of their opinions on certain matters. In short, while we do have some freedoms in what we say on here, we shouldn't expect to be able to spout whatever we want without having to face the consequences... words are a form of action; you know that whole "pen is mightier than the blaster" thing. As such I can understand folks discounting what anonymous npc posters say... I'm not saying that their words have any less meaning, but that in hiding their in game identity it kind of takes some of the credibility away from it all. |

Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
2857
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Posted - 2013.09.25 16:25:00 -
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Murk Paradox wrote:Ingame responsibility for their words...
Like what?
You aren't going to wardec anyone regardless of if you like what they post or not.
I have yet to receive any fallout ingame for anything I've posted here, and in fact have been involved some very interesting conversations.
Which proves that the people hiding behind npc corp alts just to post on a forum are being silly. That's the entire point. People want to imagine they are so important that they HAVE to hide their true in-game identity.
In a way, it's a similar thing to how people post that they are elaving, as if the lose of their anywhere from 1 to 20 accounts (lol) is so important that it's going to bankrupt ccp. People who really don't like CCP or EVE just leave quietly lol. |

Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
2857
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Posted - 2013.09.25 16:32:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:Dirk Decibel wrote:My main reason for usually posting with a NPC char: freedom to say whatever you want without the risk of it ever coming back to bite you in the behind. Even though chances of that happening are very slim, why take the risk? It's not like I gain anything by posting with my so called 'mains'. Credibility? WTF do I need forum credibility for? Should the need for it ever arise I'll find a way to get it.
As has been said by several people, cowardice. If you can't fully support your own position, why should anyone else? That is why people tend to use posting from NPC alts to attack your position, because you yourself are essentially telling everyone that you don't really believe the stuff your saying. Hint: No one actually goes after people for posting on the forums.
Exactly.
I have this terrible tendency to imagine I'm conversing with grown men (since no women play EVE) why I type words. I , as an adult, stand behind every word I type and if I decide to one day run for the CSM, i have no fear in putting my real actual name behind those words either. Being honest about who I am and what I'm saying is a show of respect.
This might be a little left field, but I think the reason why the people I tend to argue with (overwhelmingly npc alts) tend to question everyone's motives (you know, the, "you just want me to play your way" people) is because deep down they understand that their own motives are less than pure (evidenced by the hiding behind an alt) and project that onto others. In otherwords, they think everyone is basically as dishonest as they are, which is a common human belief. |

Georgina Parmala
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
220
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Posted - 2013.09.25 16:55:00 -
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Jake Warbird wrote:voetius wrote: While I'm no fan of alt posting (and have suggested before only allowing the highest skillpoint character on an account to post) I can see one reason for NPC corp alt posting - to avoid ad hominem attacks.
Edit: Flakeys has given plenty of examples above of the sort of thing I mean
Being in an NPC corp invites other ad hominem attacks. Such as being in an NPC corp. The real question is whether it does the attacker a favor in saving hours of scouring killboards, attempting to discredit your words? Or deprive him of the enjoyment such an activity provides, provoking an agrevated response? Science and Trade Institute [STI] is an NPC entity and as such my views do not represent those of the entity or any of its members
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=276984&p=38 |

flakeys
Antwerpse Kerels Fidelas Constans
1451
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Posted - 2013.09.25 17:19:00 -
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Georgina Parmala wrote:Jake Warbird wrote:voetius wrote: While I'm no fan of alt posting (and have suggested before only allowing the highest skillpoint character on an account to post) I can see one reason for NPC corp alt posting - to avoid ad hominem attacks.
Edit: Flakeys has given plenty of examples above of the sort of thing I mean
Being in an NPC corp invites other ad hominem attacks. Such as being in an NPC corp. The real question is whether it does the attacker a favor in saving hours of scouring killboards, attempting to discredit your words? Or deprive him of the enjoyment such an activity provides, provoking an agrevated response?
This is the eve-o forum , if you think most people do some ''research'' before posting then you're clearly mistaken.This is the ''talk first mayyyyyyyyybe think later'' forum .
See my post above as an example that most people just use assumptions as a general posting habbit instead of research.
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
4674
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Posted - 2013.09.25 17:22:00 -
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There is no harm at all in hiding behind a forum alt... as long as you understand that whatever you say will be perceived to be an opinion you are not willing to stand behind.
Now if you post with your main, whether you are right or wrong... agreed with or ridiculed... whatever, at least people get the strong impression that they got your straight opinion on the matter and are willing to be associated with that opinion.
I only post on this character because I want you to know that, whether you agree with my opinion or not, I didn't simply troll you.... I told it exactly the way I see it. Nor am I afraid to admit it if you show me there was something to the conversation I hadn't considered.
Obviously all characters (main or not) are a mask of anonymity for the real people that play them... but there you have it. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4616
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Posted - 2013.09.25 17:24:00 -
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Georgina Parmala wrote:Jake Warbird wrote:voetius wrote: While I'm no fan of alt posting (and have suggested before only allowing the highest skillpoint character on an account to post) I can see one reason for NPC corp alt posting - to avoid ad hominem attacks.
Edit: Flakeys has given plenty of examples above of the sort of thing I mean
Being in an NPC corp invites other ad hominem attacks. Such as being in an NPC corp. The real question is whether it does the attacker a favor in saving hours of scouring killboards, attempting to discredit your words? Or deprive him of the enjoyment such an activity provides, provoking an agrevated response? Really? My newbee losses to guristas two years ago, +0.5 sec status aren't very helpful
At least no one will see my shameful structure-shooting-in-a-bomber alt, or my bombing alt, or even worse, my market alt. There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |

MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1292
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Posted - 2013.09.25 17:26:00 -
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I allways thought that after 60 days in a npc corp you should be given the chioce to either switch to a FW corp of your choosing depending on your current standing or told that you are no longer a member of a corperation and now you can be personally war decced There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |

Murk Paradox
Duty. The Cursed Few
534
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Posted - 2013.09.25 17:28:00 -
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flakeys wrote:The thing really is OP does it even matter? Before i was in the CFC and i had an arguement i got the 'where did the bad cfc touch you ' etc . remarks , the 1st day i was in the CFC i got the ' lol you're blue donutboy . Another example , i joined my current corp 1.5 months ago , the day i joined they where in ROGUE and on the forums and ingame channels whenever i made a remark i got the 'lol your failrogue , abandon your space without fighting , your a coward' while i was only in that corp an hour.The day we joined FCON i got the 'lol your fcon loose a super about it ' remarks . As if being in an Alliance for one day means that you contributed to X or Y  . What i am trying to say is people just look for 'easy responses' when they can't make a decent coherent reply to what you are saying.Since we have a lot of posters from npc corps you generally will see that response the most.But then the same thing can be said about goons because anyone who is in goons , no matter how long , will be viewed as a scammer/jerk/blobber/troll etc . Speaking for myself i can honestly say that i too have made blunt assumptions about people purely on their corp/Alliance tag and i probably will do so many many times after this post because we are people after all.We just like to generalise everything to make it 'more coherent' in our head instead of taking the effort to look into it a bit closer. And if we run out of words we still have the 'yeah uhm .. but you're part of X hahhahahha faill' .  So back to the main question : Does it even matter?Why do you post on the forums?To share/give your opinion and with pressing post you have done so.Some people agree and some don't , some will troll you , some will smack you and some will tell you your avatar is ugly as hell.And most importanrtly : that guy who said that girl on page one had kewl lips for a bj .. spot on my friend , spot on .
No, it does not matter. This is a thread meant for opinions and open mic discussions about the topic.
In the end it matters not one bit. This is why it is in General Discussion, and this is also for the reason for people to not have to take sides and take Eve so personally as to forget who the hell they really are without having to worry about impressing the masses.
In short, it lets you be brave and stand up for your convictions. This post has been signed by Murk Paradox and no other accounts, alternate or otherwise. Any other post claiming to be this holder's is subject to being banned at the discretion of the GM Team as it would violate the TOS in regards to impersonation. Signed, Murk Paradox. In triplicate. |

baltec1
Bat Country
8076
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Posted - 2013.09.25 17:28:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:I allways thought that after 60 days in a npc corp you should be given the chioce to either switch to a FW corp of your choosing depending on your current standing or told that you are no longer a member of a corperation and now you can be personally war decced
The bears soil themselves with rage whenever that is said. |

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
4674
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Posted - 2013.09.25 17:37:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:MeBiatch wrote:I allways thought that after 60 days in a npc corp you should be given the chioce to either switch to a FW corp of your choosing depending on your current standing or told that you are no longer a member of a corperation and now you can be personally war decced The bears soil themselves with rage whenever that is said. Instead of being vulnerable to a personal war dec, I think I'd prefer it if they instead gained an incrementally increasing bounty... sponsored by Concord for "tax evasion". To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |

Murk Paradox
Duty. The Cursed Few
534
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Posted - 2013.09.25 17:39:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Murk Paradox wrote:Ingame responsibility for their words...
Like what?
You aren't going to wardec anyone regardless of if you like what they post or not.
I have yet to receive any fallout ingame for anything I've posted here, and in fact have been involved some very interesting conversations. Which proves that the people hiding behind npc corp alts just to post on a forum are being silly. That's the entire point. People want to imagine they are so important that they HAVE to hide their true in-game identity. In a way, it's a similar thing to how people post that they are elaving, as if the lose of their anywhere from 1 to 20 accounts (lol) is so important that it's going to bankrupt ccp. People who really don't like CCP or EVE just leave quietly lol.
Haha yea. I'm a big fan of "development" and responsibility. It also stems from a big of wisdom someone taught me that is "it's harder and more exciting to always tell the truth than it would be to always tell a lie". This post has been signed by Murk Paradox and no other accounts, alternate or otherwise. Any other post claiming to be this holder's is subject to being banned at the discretion of the GM Team as it would violate the TOS in regards to impersonation. Signed, Murk Paradox. In triplicate. |

Murk Paradox
Duty. The Cursed Few
534
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Posted - 2013.09.25 17:40:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:Dirk Decibel wrote:My main reason for usually posting with a NPC char: freedom to say whatever you want without the risk of it ever coming back to bite you in the behind. Even though chances of that happening are very slim, why take the risk? It's not like I gain anything by posting with my so called 'mains'. Credibility? WTF do I need forum credibility for? Should the need for it ever arise I'll find a way to get it.
As has been said by several people, cowardice. If you can't fully support your own position, why should anyone else? That is why people tend to use posting from NPC alts to attack your position, because you yourself are essentially telling everyone that you don't really believe the stuff your saying. Hint: No one actually goes after people for posting on the forums. Exactly. I have this terrible tendency to imagine I'm conversing with grown men (since no women play EVE) why I type words. I , as an adult, stand behind every word I type and if I decide to one day run for the CSM, i have no fear in putting my real actual name behind those words either. Being honest about who I am and what I'm saying is a show of respect. This might be a little left field, but I think the reason why the people I tend to argue with (overwhelmingly npc alts) tend to question everyone's motives (you know, the, "you just want me to play your way" people) is because deep down they understand that their own motives are less than pure (evidenced by the hiding behind an alt) and project that onto others. In otherwords, they think everyone is basically as dishonest as they are, which is a common human belief.
This is the post I meant to quote. Oops. This post has been signed by Murk Paradox and no other accounts, alternate or otherwise. Any other post claiming to be this holder's is subject to being banned at the discretion of the GM Team as it would violate the TOS in regards to impersonation. Signed, Murk Paradox. In triplicate. |

MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1292
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Posted - 2013.09.25 18:08:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:baltec1 wrote:MeBiatch wrote:I allways thought that after 60 days in a npc corp you should be given the chioce to either switch to a FW corp of your choosing depending on your current standing or told that you are no longer a member of a corperation and now you can be personally war decced The bears soil themselves with rage whenever that is said. Instead of being vulnerable to a personal war dec, I think I'd prefer it if they instead gained an incrementally increasing bounty... sponsored by Concord for "tax evasion".
well the mechanics would have to be different right? maybe like a temp war dec that has a set amount of ship looses or isk lost or some sort of mehcanic that would reduce the chances for grifing but still allow for war decs...
the point would be to make the shift to a player run corp make more sense then to go solo. There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |

Georgina Parmala
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
220
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Posted - 2013.09.25 18:27:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote: I have this terrible tendency to imagine I'm conversing with grown men (since no women play EVE) why I type words. I , as an adult, stand behind every word I type and if I decide to one day run for the CSM, i have no fear in putting my real actual name behind those words either. Being honest about who I am and what I'm saying is a show of respect.
There's a (not funny) story about that and Psychotic Monk.
Jenn aSide wrote: Which proves that the people hiding behind npc corp alts just to post on a forum are being silly. That's the entire point. People want to imagine they are so important that they HAVE to hide their true in-game identity.
You're generalizing. Hiding my identity lets me censor names out of stories to protect those involved. Whereas posting on my space faring character would simply mean not talking about it at all, to prevent things from happening.
Jenn aSide wrote:This might be a little left field, but I think the reason why the people I tend to argue with (overwhelmingly npc alts) tend to question everyone's motives (you know, the, "you just want me to play your way" people) is because deep down they understand that their own motives are less than pure (evidenced by the hiding behind an alt) and project that onto others. In otherwords, they think everyone is basically as dishonest as they are, which is a common human belief. I don't recall ever arguing with you vOv. There's a set theory argument in there somewhere.
But I guess deep down, my motives are less than pure. I'm secretly cheering for the villain. While listening to my corp mate huffing and puffing on comms about making use of the kill rights, after he done goofed. Science and Trade Institute [STI] is an NPC entity and as such my views do not represent those of the entity or any of its members
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=276984&p=38 |

Georgina Parmala
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
220
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Posted - 2013.09.25 18:36:00 -
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flakeys wrote:Georgina Parmala wrote:Jake Warbird wrote:voetius wrote: While I'm no fan of alt posting (and have suggested before only allowing the highest skillpoint character on an account to post) I can see one reason for NPC corp alt posting - to avoid ad hominem attacks.
Edit: Flakeys has given plenty of examples above of the sort of thing I mean
Being in an NPC corp invites other ad hominem attacks. Such as being in an NPC corp. The real question is whether it does the attacker a favor in saving hours of scouring killboards, attempting to discredit your words? Or deprive him of the enjoyment such an activity provides, provoking an agrevated response? This is the eve-o forum , if you think most people do some ''research'' before posting then you're clearly mistaken.This is the ''talk first mayyyyyyyyybe think later'' forum . See my post above as an example that most people just use assumptions as a general posting habbit instead of research. Most? You're most probably right. Some? See: any Harry Forever thread that turns into lol cyno killer with warp stabbed bomber regardless of topic. If someone is talking about solo pvp on an NPC alt, the attack at NPC alt comes from a failed attempt in scouring killboards for solo kills. Trying to attack the player's (supposed lack of) appropriate experience to discuss the topic, rather than the topic itself. Science and Trade Institute [STI] is an NPC entity and as such my views do not represent those of the entity or any of its members
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=276984&p=38 |

PotatoOverdose
SONS of LEGION RISE of LEGION
173
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Posted - 2013.09.25 22:00:00 -
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Georgina Parmala wrote: Most? You're most probably right. Some? See: any Harry Forever thread that turns into lol cyno killer with warp stabbed bomber regardless of topic. If someone is talking about solo pvp on an NPC alt, the attack at NPC alt comes from a failed attempt in scouring killboards for solo kills. Trying to attack the player's (supposed lack of) appropriate experience to discuss the topic, rather than the topic itself.
That's just goons being goons though. Harry Forever bombs goon cyno's and industrials. He apparently does it a lot , is isk efficient, and does it enough to get noticed. It even elicits a response from them. Goons also often ridicule posts by members of N3/NC. So what?
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Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
1325
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Posted - 2013.09.25 22:47:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:A certain degree of accountability. For example: If you're giving someone advice about solo pvp, it would be helpful if you've actually solo pvp'd before.
A mission runner whose never been in sov before could comment on sov mechanics, despite never having actually even been in sov. Since any NPC alt can say anything without any way to confirm if they actually have any relevant experience, it makes their opinions fairly worthless.
Perhaps the opinion and relevance of alt posts should be judged by their content?
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
2858
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Posted - 2013.09.25 23:04:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:There is no harm at all in hiding behind a forum alt... as long as you understand that whatever you say will be perceived to be an opinion you are not willing to stand behind.
Now if you post with your main, whether you are right or wrong... agreed with or ridiculed... whatever, at least people get the strong impression that they got your straight opinion on the matter and are willing to be associated with that opinion.
I only post on this character because I want you to know that, whether you agree with my opinion or not, I didn't simply troll you.... I told it exactly the way I see it. Nor am I afraid to admit it if you show me there was something to the conversation I hadn't considered.
Obviously all characters (main or not) are a mask of anonymity for the real people that play them... but there you have it.
This, so much this in fact. Real me may be male, but Avatar me ain't and is gonna have me some Ranger1 Babies!
The people I have the most respct for are those who have served on the CSM. They have to tell us who they really are before we can even vote for them, and in this age of internet crazies, that takes (real, not virtual) balls.
And I appreciate balls....wait that didn't sound right.
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Fredfredbug4
Eve Defence Force Cult of War
1338
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Posted - 2013.09.25 23:21:00 -
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The problem with NPC corps is that they're playing on easy difficulty when everyone else is playing on hard. It's just not fair and doesn't make sense from a multiplayer perspective.
I don't think the newbie corps should be changed, but the NPC corps you wind up in when you leave a player corp should have the same mechanics as a player corp. Watch Fred Fred Frederation and stop cryptozoologist! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it! |

PotatoOverdose
SONS of LEGION RISE of LEGION
173
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Posted - 2013.09.26 00:09:00 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:A certain degree of accountability. For example: If you're giving someone advice about solo pvp, it would be helpful if you've actually solo pvp'd before.
A mission runner whose never been in sov before could comment on sov mechanics, despite never having actually even been in sov. Since any NPC alt can say anything without any way to confirm if they actually have any relevant experience, it makes their opinions fairly worthless. Perhaps the opinion and relevance of alt posts should be judged by their content? If you cannot even support your own content, why should someone else bother with it? |
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