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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4612
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Posted - 2013.09.25 02:04:00 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Andski wrote:David Kir wrote:Yet one could say that CFC has quite the solid grasp upon its membership's public opinion.
Look at how they managed to switch their position from "renting is BOB, BOB is bad, renting is bad"" to all-out serflording in a couple months. No, people were angry about it and we left a thread up for them to scream bloody murder about the evils of becoming serflords. Because, apparently, goons have always had a soft spot for pubbies and would never do anything like collect money from them for the privilege of ratting in our space. It's always funny that people never seem to see it that way. I know, right.
Goons just love to rage about anything. There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |

Eram Fidard
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
327
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Posted - 2013.09.25 03:03:00 -
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Andski wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:Daimon Kaiera wrote:+1 for posting on an npc alt. What does that have to do with anything? It means that anything he posts is likely nonsense, much like 99.9% of NPC alt posts on the forums.
I resent resemble this remark.
Poster is not to be held responsible for damages to keyboards and/or noses caused by hot beverages. |

James Amril-Kesh
Goonswarm Federation
5794
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Posted - 2013.09.25 03:23:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:CorsairV wrote:When did CFC become rules lawyering gay babies? Any time Goons find a cool trick to use, such as grid-fu, FW LP store or massive drone assist salvos, they will abuse the mechanic until other people start using it against them. At this point they will highlight whatever mechanic they were abusing so that others can't use that same mechanic. Part of the current campaign is to stop other fleets using assisted sentry drones against Goon interests, since drone assist + ISBoxer provides a huge competitive advantage. The only question in my mind is whether Goons will end up campaigning against keystroke broadcasting as provided by ISBoxer and (modified) Synergy, or whether that mechanical advantage is so vital to their ability to play the game while frustrated-drunk that they will actively campaign against people who want keystroke broadcasting banned.
I've seen this pattern before.
Mechanic that CFC doesn't use. CFC: "This mechanic is bad." Others: "You just want it nerfed because it's being used against you!"
Mechanic that CFC uses. CFC: "This mechanic is bad." Others: "You just want it nerfed so that others can't use it!"
Pubbie logic. My Youtube Videos Latest video: August 25, 2013 |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8810
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Posted - 2013.09.25 03:36:00 -
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Maliandra wrote:Andski wrote:i'm just laughing at the idea that anything a CFC member says or does is indicative of some policy of ours
it's as if we have the ability to exert that much control over 35k people, you give us way too much credit If I wore a swastika and claimed to be part of the SS, you'd hold me accountable for their actions. You choose to wear the colors of a group whose higher ups are made up of largely the most shameful and pathetic personalities the internet has to offer. If you do not like being judged as a group, leave the group. 
i'm sorry about the goon who ganked your hulk but that doesn't make us remotely comparable to members of a defunct, formerly prominent German political party whose name I can't mention because of the word filter Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4612
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Posted - 2013.09.25 03:44:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Mara Rinn wrote:CorsairV wrote:When did CFC become rules lawyering gay babies? Any time Goons find a cool trick to use, such as grid-fu, FW LP store or massive drone assist salvos, they will abuse the mechanic until other people start using it against them. At this point they will highlight whatever mechanic they were abusing so that others can't use that same mechanic. Part of the current campaign is to stop other fleets using assisted sentry drones against Goon interests, since drone assist + ISBoxer provides a huge competitive advantage. The only question in my mind is whether Goons will end up campaigning against keystroke broadcasting as provided by ISBoxer and (modified) Synergy, or whether that mechanical advantage is so vital to their ability to play the game while frustrated-drunk that they will actively campaign against people who want keystroke broadcasting banned. I've seen this pattern before. Mechanic that CFC doesn't use. CFC: "This mechanic is bad." Others: "You just want it nerfed because it's being used against you!" Mechanic that CFC uses. CFC: "This mechanic is bad." Others: "You just want it nerfed so that others can't use it!" Pubbie logic. Grr, goons
There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4612
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Posted - 2013.09.25 03:45:00 -
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Andski wrote:Maliandra wrote:Andski wrote:i'm just laughing at the idea that anything a CFC member says or does is indicative of some policy of ours
it's as if we have the ability to exert that much control over 35k people, you give us way too much credit If I wore a swastika and claimed to be part of the SS, you'd hold me accountable for their actions. You choose to wear the colors of a group whose higher ups are made up of largely the most shameful and pathetic personalities the internet has to offer. If you do not like being judged as a group, leave the group.  i'm sorry about the goon who ganked your hulk but that doesn't make us remotely comparable to members of a defunct, formerly prominent German political party whose name I can't mention because of the word filter There was that poster who said ganking is like murder There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |

John XIII
Red Galaxy SpaceMonkey's Alliance
13
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Posted - 2013.09.25 03:46:00 -
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Only if you get the pod |

Aiwha
Infinite Point Nulli Secunda
571
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Posted - 2013.09.25 03:50:00 -
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Taking anybody in SMA seriously in any manner is a waste of your time. We're winning the war if it says so on CAOD! -á
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Tauranon
Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
264
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Posted - 2013.09.25 04:30:00 -
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David Kir wrote:
Yet one could say that CFC has quite the solid grasp upon its membership's public opinion.
Look at how they managed to switch their position from "renting is BOB, BOB is bad, renting is bad"" to all-out serflording in a couple months.
The universe just isn't the same in 2013 as it was in 2006. The CFC were part of a quasi campaign for nullsec being redefined from what it was (regions valued by towers), to what it is today (after goo redistribution), regions being valued by number of characters working in it. Instead of the CFC towering vale for isk, they are populating it.
That probably isn't really that similar to what BoB did. I don't remember them being much for detail - ie they were constellation kinds of people not systems kind of people, more arbiter than expander.
Note that in the population model, its even possible for CCP to expand nullsec, and for the majority of the playerbase to migrate to it. None of that made sense in the empty cardboard regions propped up by towers model. |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4612
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Posted - 2013.09.25 04:34:00 -
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Tauranon wrote:David Kir wrote:Yet one could say that CFC has quite the solid grasp upon its membership's public opinion.
Look at how they managed to switch their position from "renting is BOB, BOB is bad, renting is bad"" to all-out serflording in a couple months. The universe just isn't the same in 2013 as it was in 2006. The CFC were part of a quasi campaign for nullsec being redefined from what it was (regions valued by towers), to what it is today, regions being valued by number of characters working in it. Instead of the CFC towering vale for isk, they are populating it. That probably isn't really that similar to what BoB did. I don't remember them being much for detail - ie they were constellation kinds of people not systems kind of people, more arbiter than expander. Note that in the population model, its even possible for CCP to expand nullsec, and for the majority of the playerbase to migrate to it. None of that made sense in the empty cardboard regions propped up by towers model. Why are you defending rental models, they are supposed to be alien and ungoony There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |

James Amril-Kesh
Goonswarm Federation
5796
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Posted - 2013.09.25 06:14:00 -
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Tauranon wrote:Note that in the population model, its even possible for CCP to expand nullsec It's also entirely possible that this is part of their vision for the winter expansion.
Considering CCP Seagull's speech at Fanfest, chances are pretty good that it is. My Youtube Videos Latest video: August 25, 2013 |

Kialopreyst
Hole Exploitation Inc. Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.09.25 08:44:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Tauranon wrote:David Kir wrote:Yet one could say that CFC has quite the solid grasp upon its membership's public opinion.
Look at how they managed to switch their position from "renting is BOB, BOB is bad, renting is bad"" to all-out serflording in a couple months. The universe just isn't the same in 2013 as it was in 2006. The CFC were part of a quasi campaign for nullsec being redefined from what it was (regions valued by towers), to what it is today, regions being valued by number of characters working in it. Instead of the CFC towering vale for isk, they are populating it. That probably isn't really that similar to what BoB did. I don't remember them being much for detail - ie they were constellation kinds of people not systems kind of people, more arbiter than expander. Note that in the population model, its even possible for CCP to expand nullsec, and for the majority of the playerbase to migrate to it. None of that made sense in the empty cardboard regions propped up by towers model. Why are you defending rental models, they are supposed to be alien and ungoony
They are. Lets go out and find R16's anchored by PBLRD corps and make them take their towers down. |

Samoth Egnoled
Infinitech Catastrophic Uprising
24348
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Posted - 2013.09.25 09:01:00 -
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I love the way people get bent out of shape about Goons and the CFC. 'they dont play nice...wah!' |

Mythrandier
Spacelane Salvage
47
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Posted - 2013.09.25 09:03:00 -
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Maliandra wrote:Andski wrote:i'm just laughing at the idea that anything a CFC member says or does is indicative of some policy of ours
it's as if we have the ability to exert that much control over 35k people, you give us way too much credit If I wore a swastika and claimed to be part of the SS, you'd hold me accountable for their actions. You choose to wear the colors of a group whose higher ups are made up of largely the most shameful and pathetic personalities the internet has to offer. If you do not like being judged as a group, leave the group. 
You must have either had an AMAZINGLY sheltered life, or have never actually been on the internet to think that Goons are the worst the internet has to offer.
Or did they just gank you recently and you are still overflowing with bitter?
"It is better to light a flame thrower than curse the darkness." --á T. Pratchett. |

Kialopreyst
Hole Exploitation Inc. Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.09.25 09:16:00 -
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Mythrandier wrote:Maliandra wrote:Andski wrote:i'm just laughing at the idea that anything a CFC member says or does is indicative of some policy of ours
it's as if we have the ability to exert that much control over 35k people, you give us way too much credit If I wore a swastika and claimed to be part of the SS, you'd hold me accountable for their actions. You choose to wear the colors of a group whose higher ups are made up of largely the most shameful and pathetic personalities the internet has to offer. If you do not like being judged as a group, leave the group.  or have never actually been on the internet to think that Goons are the worst the internet has to offer.
There are actually worse people on the internet than us. |

Kialopreyst
Hole Exploitation Inc. Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.09.25 09:18:00 -
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Fallacies wrote:I was helping a friend of mine who happens to be fairly new to the game. While in a mission in high sec a Space Monkey Alliance member probbed us out and had come in to salvage or steal I assume. After a coupe minutes he started whining in local that we were using a drone exploit. I had my light drones assigned to my friends Condor so he could work on the small rats while I focused on the battleship new with my cruise missiles.
He kept linking the news item from CCP in reguards to the POS and drone assign incident and telling everyone to petition us for exploiting. Despite my efforts to inform my friend the SMA guy was wrong, this was the third incident of a CFC member going on in local chat claiming someone was exploiting by simply assisting their drones to a fleet member, despite there not being a POS involved.
Why is the CFC members running around trying to scare other players with false information? Unfortunately my friend is too scared to want to use drone assign now because he is afraid of being banned. Will there be more features from the game CFC will want removed?
Name and shame. We all deserve to know who this person was. |

knobber Jobbler
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
264
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Posted - 2013.09.25 09:22:00 -
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Fallacies wrote:Tsunamicom wrote:From what I understand from the Exploit Warning, you aren't breaking any rules UNLESS you are trying to hide in a POS and have your drones attack your friend's target by using assist. If you are outside of a POS then you have nothing to worry about. It just has to do with the whole 'being able to attack without any risk to you' thing. I know we are not exploiting. My question is why the sudden push by CFC to tell other players if they drone assist at all, they are exploiting?
1 guy from SMA is not a push. Try posting with 100% less hyperbole. |

Lugalbandak
Anunnaku Industrial Corp. Northern Associates.
126
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Posted - 2013.09.25 11:30:00 -
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Fallacies wrote:I was helping a friend of mine who happens to be fairly new to the game. While in a mission in high sec a Space Monkey Alliance member probbed us out and had come in to salvage or steal I assume. After a coupe minutes he started whining in local that we were using a drone exploit. I had my light drones assigned to my friends Condor so he could work on the small rats while I focused on the battleship new with my cruise missiles.
He kept linking the news item from CCP in reguards to the POS and drone assign incident and telling everyone to petition us for exploiting. Despite my efforts to inform my friend the SMA guy was wrong, this was the third incident of a CFC member going on in local chat claiming someone was exploiting by simply assisting their drones to a fleet member, despite there not being a POS involved.
Why is the CFC members running around trying to scare other players with false information? Unfortunately my friend is too scared to want to use drone assign now because he is afraid of being banned. Will there be more features from the game CFC will want removed?
he is prolly lost , i tought cfc was a 0.0 coalition , but i could be wrong. if you dont do it from a pos just keep going , copy paste what he says in local and petition him. he is prolly just trolling. The police horse is the only animal in the world that haz his male genitals on his back |

Lugalbandak
Anunnaku Industrial Corp. Northern Associates.
126
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Posted - 2013.09.25 11:31:00 -
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Slaveofjita wrote:Andski wrote:you don't matter that much to us, quite honestly Yet you responded not once but twice.
hahah yeah the ******* irony The police horse is the only animal in the world that haz his male genitals on his back |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4612
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Posted - 2013.09.25 11:41:00 -
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Kialopreyst wrote:Fallacies wrote:I was helping a friend of mine who happens to be fairly new to the game. While in a mission in high sec a Space Monkey Alliance member probbed us out and had come in to salvage or steal I assume. After a coupe minutes he started whining in local that we were using a drone exploit. I had my light drones assigned to my friends Condor so he could work on the small rats while I focused on the battleship new with my cruise missiles.
He kept linking the news item from CCP in reguards to the POS and drone assign incident and telling everyone to petition us for exploiting. Despite my efforts to inform my friend the SMA guy was wrong, this was the third incident of a CFC member going on in local chat claiming someone was exploiting by simply assisting their drones to a fleet member, despite there not being a POS involved.
Why is the CFC members running around trying to scare other players with false information? Unfortunately my friend is too scared to want to use drone assign now because he is afraid of being banned. Will there be more features from the game CFC will want removed? Name and shame. We all deserve to know who this person was. So you know something:
"a new player" "npc corp alt" "goons are bad" "issue people are discussing that is significant because goons are bad" "one of your people did a bad thing" "you are bad"
... you fell for a troll There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |

Silvetica Dian
Manson Family
99
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Posted - 2013.09.25 12:00:00 -
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Ammzi wrote:Petition the ******** for being too stupid to comprehend words combined into a context.
might as well just petition that whole alliance then. |

admiral root
Red Galaxy SpaceMonkey's Alliance
572
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Posted - 2013.09.25 12:07:00 -
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Silvetica Dian wrote:Ammzi wrote:Petition the ******** for being too stupid to comprehend words combined into a context. might as well just petition that whole alliance then.
That sweeping statement makes me wonder if all this talk of stupid people isn't hitting a little too close to home for your liking.  No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4612
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Posted - 2013.09.25 12:09:00 -
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People always want to ban all goons
It's one way to achieve a "there are no goons" (good end 2)
The best end is of course "the goons' 0.0 dream is over" There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |

Kialopreyst
Hole Exploitation Inc. Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.09.25 12:28:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Kialopreyst wrote:Fallacies wrote:I was helping a friend of mine who happens to be fairly new to the game. While in a mission in high sec a Space Monkey Alliance member probbed us out and had come in to salvage or steal I assume. After a coupe minutes he started whining in local that we were using a drone exploit. I had my light drones assigned to my friends Condor so he could work on the small rats while I focused on the battleship new with my cruise missiles.
He kept linking the news item from CCP in reguards to the POS and drone assign incident and telling everyone to petition us for exploiting. Despite my efforts to inform my friend the SMA guy was wrong, this was the third incident of a CFC member going on in local chat claiming someone was exploiting by simply assisting their drones to a fleet member, despite there not being a POS involved.
Why is the CFC members running around trying to scare other players with false information? Unfortunately my friend is too scared to want to use drone assign now because he is afraid of being banned. Will there be more features from the game CFC will want removed? Name and shame. We all deserve to know who this person was. So you know something: "a new player" "npc corp alt" "goons are bad" "issue people are discussing that is significant because goons are bad" "one of your people did a bad thing" "you are bad" ... you fell for a troll
It may be a troll, but he's pretty spot on about basically every member of SMA who are only marginally more intelligent than the average pubbie. |

Clue 3K
Ship Spinning Industries
1
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Posted - 2013.09.25 12:33:00 -
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No one commented on his name?! Fallacies what a coincidence..
OT Ban all goons! I'm only on this because my main, Tron 3K, is banned till 9/30/2013! Don't give me any likes! |

War Kitten
Panda McLegion xXPlease Pandemic Citizens Reloaded Alliance.Xx
3881
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Posted - 2013.09.25 12:48:00 -
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Fallacies wrote: Why is the CFC members running around trying to scare other players with false information?
It's called trolling... he did it because it produces funny results like this:
Quote: Unfortunately my friend is too scared to want to use drone assign now because he is afraid of being banned.
Have a nice day!
I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all. |

Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
1232
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Posted - 2013.09.25 13:39:00 -
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KuroVolt wrote:Its is interesting how you defaulted to CFC member.
I mean you could have called out his alliance.
or maybe his corporation.
Hell, you could have just called out his character!
But for some reason, it being a CFC member was the most important bit? :/
Because this is how unfortunately majority of people think, generalizations no matter the discussion are always dangerous but also the easiest way to say everything without taking any responsibility on a particular matter. As you just said why the guy didn't gave the other guys nick, his corporation instead of his alliance? -easy road
And as far as you see any tag related to Goonswarm you can be sure the automatic way of thinking is: goon = grr = baddie = jerk and so on, like when you see NC PL etc, there will always be generalizations from bad people, and at some point we're all the bad guy of someone else. Of course Goons have their own clowns like that too but I can safely say I met a lot of them being actually wonderful people to meet and discuss with which doesn't mean all of them neither, it's a game, they play their game and no hard feelings, just taunts to someones intelligence and its what makes things interesting. *removed inappropriate ASCII art signature* - CCP Eterne |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4614
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Posted - 2013.09.25 15:18:00 -
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Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:KuroVolt wrote:Its is interesting how you defaulted to CFC member.
I mean you could have called out his alliance.
or maybe his corporation.
Hell, you could have just called out his character!
But for some reason, it being a CFC member was the most important bit? :/ Because this is how unfortunately majority of people think, generalizations no matter the discussion are always dangerous but also the easiest way to say everything without taking any responsibility on a particular matter. As you just said why the guy didn't gave the other guys nick, his corporation instead of his alliance? -easy road And as far as you see any tag related to Goonswarm you can be sure the automatic way of thinking is: goon = grr = baddie = jerk and so on, like when you see NC PL etc, there will always be generalizations from bad people, and at some point we're all the bad guy of someone else. Of course Goons have their own clowns like that too but I can safely say I met a lot of them being actually wonderful people to meet and discuss with which doesn't mean all of them neither, it's a game, they play their game and no hard feelings, just taunts to someones intelligence and its what makes things interesting. Like with all the "newbies" who immediately are able to discuss nullsec politics, and afk cloakin', one suspects a troll There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |

Utremi Fasolasi
La Dolce Vita
279
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Posted - 2013.09.25 22:53:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
BTW we love the British and welcome everything from them except their cuisine. They make great pets.
Their cuisine is mostly fish and chips and tikka masala. Not bad actually. |

Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
390
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Posted - 2013.09.25 23:37:00 -
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Never trust a monkey. Some people think they're cute, but they'll probably just bite you and give you herpes. Also, I ran into your drone assist friend the other day and he told me he was just making all this up as an excuse to not have to hang out with you anymore. Sorry to break the news, but apparently you're kind of immature and boring to him. |
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