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Taedrin Kushan Industrial 135	Posted - 2011.11.02 19:51:00 - [1] - Quote Ruah Piskonit wrote: Ender Black wrote: Subscriber X is handicapped and can't work therefore not having much left over cash. He does have time to grind missions or incursions with friends. Subscriber Y is a 45-60 hour a week worker who doesn't have much time to earn ISK to pay for his play style. Subscriber X purchases game time from Subscriber Y using ISK as the currency. Where does CCP not get money in this? that is broken logic right there. You evoke sandbox, then break it for RL reasons? Plex should have been standardized by CCP with no player profit from the start. That way no one can 'fund' themselves using RL money - that is PtW. Yes. EVE is actually a pay-to-win game. The difference is that the amount of "pay-to-win" is inherently limited by the number of players willing to pay ISK to sub their accounts with PLEX. It places an upper bound on the effectiveness of PtW, because an infinitely rich player can not buy an infinite number of PLEX to generate an infinite amount of ISK out of nowhere. The demand for PLEX is intrinsically finite, and thus there is a finite limit to the amount of "advantage" you can buy. FURTHERMORE, even though there is "PtW", selling PLEX doesn't inherently grant you access to any items/activities that could not be obtained by playing the game. Therefore, PLEX isn't "PtW" in the sense of selling power to players, it is "PtW" in the sense of selling "accelerated gameplay" to players. And the people selling this "accelerated gameplay" is not CCP, but the players themselves. The core difference between PLEX and other MT systems is that EVERY single advantage afforded by PLEX had to have been created by players playing the game in some way, shape or form. Every single ship had to be built, every single officer item had to be looted, every single last .01 ISK had to be rewarded through bounties/mission rewards/insurance payouts/etc...
Taedrin Kushan Industrial 136	Posted - 2011.11.03 00:39:00 - [2] - Quote John Wilkes Booth wrote: Henry Haphorn wrote: From an accounting perspective, Thorn Galen is right on one thing (although he is way off with his math). There is a critical step that people here are missing. 1. Player A buys GTC online and converts the GTC to PLEX. 2. PLEX that is unused and sitting in the hangar adds what CCP would most likely call "Deferred Income". 1x unused PLEX = Cash stuck in limbo (no one can touch it) until one of three conditions are met: *NOTE: Even PLEX that is bought with ISK by another player is still unused PLEX.* A) Player A (or anyone other than Player A that bought the PLEX from him/her) redeems the PLEX for game time. B) Player A (or anyone other than Player A that bought the PLEX from him/her) donates the PLEX to a cause hosted by CCP. C) Player A (or anyone other than Player A that bought the PLEX from him/her) redeems the PLEX for Aurum. Those are the only three conditions in which cash in limbo becomes unstuck and is no longer deferred income. 3. If conditions A or C are met, CCP keeps the cash and marks it as service income. 3.1. If condition B is met, CCP doesn't keep the cash so it pays the cash to a charity. If you consider how PLEX is now commonly used as a traded commodity and thus some traders might just simply hold the unused PLEX for future trades, that means there is a great deal of cash stuck in limbo. How much? Only CCP knows. But regardless, CCP doesn't lose money this way. They lose money when players unsub. Of course, I could be wrong as well. Can anyone come up with a better theory? But you are talking about the books. How they record it. But while that sale should be recorded as deferred income (presuming CCP is on GAAP or another system that follows that rule (IFRS?)), they are by no means forced to put that cash in an untouchable escrow account until the plex is redeemed. They have the cash, and they can spend it. Don't forget about the other side of that entry. They record the cash in a regular cash account, not restricted cash account (CCP is not a NFP). And you forgot scenario D) Plex is destroyed when in the cargo of a ship that goes boom. This would like a gift card that never gets used. Ok, sorry for this becoming an accounting thread :) I love it when someone who actually knows what they are talking about posts.

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