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Crellion
Parental Control
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Posted - 2013.10.02 12:07:00 -
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Paul Panala wrote:I don't see why Logi ships should be better than they already are. As you said, they can already turn the tide for a fleet, why should they also get e-war? The kill mail/final blow system is broken anyway, who cares?
Yeah as I said this IS a valid point but the proposal is a whole nexus of things fixing at the same time the missile ships. Things like the problems faced when a Logi is locking both enemy and friendly are ALSO valid points and I am somewhat inclined to think that they may be balance enough against each other. |
Kenrailae
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
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Posted - 2013.10.02 12:11:00 -
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<- Logi pilot
Please do NOT put a target painter bonus on my logistics ship. One more bonus I DON'T need, like my tracking link bonus on my Oneiros.
In fact, please REMOVE the tracking link bonus and give me a sensor strength or capacitor recharge bonus instead.
The Link idea is nice and all... but that's not really what I'm flying a Scimi/Oneiros for. I'm flying it to rep my fleet bro's.
OP, at the end of the day, if you're having to bribe your logi dudes with Kill mails to get them to fly logi, you need to invest in proper logi pilots. Logi isn't about Kill mails. It's about making an otherwise impossible situation not only possible, but likely.
Yes, it can be frustrating, flying logi ALL the time. But a GOOD logi pilot's value can't be measured in SP.
But trying to bribe them into doing the job, so to speak, doesn't get you good logi pilots....
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Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
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Posted - 2013.10.02 12:13:00 -
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Kenrailae wrote:<- Logi pilot
OP, at the end of the day, if you're having to bribe your logi dudes with Kill mails to get them to fly logi, you need to invest in proper logi pilots. Logi isn't about Kill mails. It's about making an otherwise impossible situation not only possible, but likely.
Yes, it can be frustrating, flying logi ALL the time. But a GOOD logi pilot's value can't be measured in SP.
But trying to bribe them into doing the job, so to speak, doesn't get you good logi pilots....
I completely agree, it's a career path not a glory hunt. Also a Logi Pilot.
In short I think what Kenrailae was saying was "LogiBro's = BestBros = o/\o" Fast Character Switching "XP Stylee" Undocking - More Routes Out of Station Here's my tear jar > |_| < Fill 'er up! |
Darling Hassasin
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.10.02 12:37:00 -
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Kenrailae wrote:<- Logi pilot
OP, at the end of the day, if you're having to bribe your logi dudes with Kill mails to get them to fly logi, you need to invest in proper logi pilots. Logi isn't about Kill mails. It's about making an otherwise impossible situation not only possible, but likely.
Not sure what they get out of it but as you are a Logi pilot and I am not, I ll take your word for it. v0v |
Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
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Posted - 2013.10.02 13:24:00 -
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Darling Hassasin wrote:Kenrailae wrote:<- Logi pilot
OP, at the end of the day, if you're having to bribe your logi dudes with Kill mails to get them to fly logi, you need to invest in proper logi pilots. Logi isn't about Kill mails. It's about making an otherwise impossible situation not only possible, but likely.
Not sure what they get out of it but as you are a Logi pilot and I am not, I ll take your word for it. v0v
It's the rush of repping someone back from the brink and knowing you did a pro job...I don't bask in "Killboard Glory" but that's OK, it means I've done my job if we get the kill...not the points on some external website. Just my thoughts, I'm sure some LogiBros want to be on those killboards but changing the Logistics Class isn't the way to go about it IMO. Fast Character Switching "XP Stylee" Undocking - More Routes Out of Station Here's my tear jar > |_| < Fill 'er up! |
Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance
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Posted - 2013.10.02 13:27:00 -
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fly a Logi with a drone bay
launch combat or ecm drones assist or guard fc
instant killmail whoring for logi pilot |
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ISD Tyrozan
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2013.10.02 19:44:00 -
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A trolling post was removed.
Forum rule 5. Trolling is prohibited. ISD Tyrozan Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department @ISDTyrozan | @ISD_CCL |
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Ciaphas Cyne
Turalyon Plus Turalyon Alliance
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Posted - 2013.10.02 19:46:00 -
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Kitty Bear wrote:fly a Logi with a drone bay
launch combat or ecm drones assist or guard fc
instant killmail whoring for logi pilot
if the OP was being honest in their request than this would already have occurred to them. but this is not the case. OP wants a very specific fit and assumed crying on the forums might get them somewhere. nice try, but a fail all round.
like i said i want more lows on my myrmi but im not gonna have the pompous sense of self entitlement to go around asking for them when i know the game is balanced by professional developers.
good luck with your idea OP, im sure CCP is gonna make that special mod just for you real soon. maybe they will even put it in a pretty box with a red ribbon and your name on.
o7 bye forum warrior. cya round if you ever figure out where that F1 key is. "buff only the stuff I fly and nerf everything else"
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Ciaphas Cyne
Turalyon Plus Turalyon Alliance
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Posted - 2013.10.02 19:50:00 -
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Darling Hassasin wrote:
The majority (99%) of the few thousand kills I have with my 2-3 mains are from turret ships. I have no kill in a logi (fore example with drones) and no loss ever in a Logi on any of those chars, so either I am the most awsomnesauce Logi pilot ever to fly in EvE or you are a complete noob and your prejudice is entirely unjustified.
If you are interest in checking the accuracy of the above send me a pm for the names of the chars to check out. If not. FOCUS ON DISCUSSING THE MERITS AND DEMERITS OF THE ISSUE AT HAND rathert than trying to eb a knwoitall...
god i guess i really hit a nerve.... maybe i WAS a little too close for comfort? i was just guessing but judging by your forum warrior response.... i guess i guess right. sorry bra "buff only the stuff I fly and nerf everything else"
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Crellion
Parental Control
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Posted - 2013.10.03 05:22:00 -
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ISD Tyrozan wrote:A trolling post was removed.
Forum rule 5. Trolling is prohibited.
Dude you are killing me! They asked for my main to prove that the OP is only a forum warrior who... needs to find F1 LOL (I learned F1-F8 8 years ago but never mind). So I post in three very short - toneless and brief sentences the replies.
I am the main. For where I spin my ships check killboards. Direct answers to that Ciaphas duded questions aaaaaaaand you go and delete my post and now he is barking all over the wrong tree again. Please re-instate my original post and delete this one once you have done so.
I also send you a message with the OP to confirm the facts.
Kthnxbue
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Crellion
Parental Control
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Posted - 2013.10.03 05:29:00 -
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Ciaphas Cyne wrote:Kitty Bear wrote:fly a Logi with a drone bay
launch combat or ecm drones assist or guard fc
instant killmail whoring for logi pilot if the OP was being honest in their request than this would already have occurred to them. but this is not the case. OP wants a very specific fit and assumed crying on the forums might get them somewhere. nice try, but a fail all round. l ike i said i want more lows on my myrmi but im not gonna have the pompous sense of self entitlement to go around asking for them when i know the game is balanced by professional developers. good luck with your idea OP, im sure CCP is gonna make that special mod just for you real soon. maybe they will even put it in a pretty box with a red ribbon and your name on. o7 bye forum warrior. cya round if you ever figure out where that F1 key is.
Drones are not the answer. 1. they are bad at range of fleet fights. 2. they do not help missiles in anyway which is the second part of the rationale behind the proposal.
About the part of your post I highlighted: Bad example. The reason you want that is so that one particular ship which you allready use a lot, you want it to become better. This has, if you look at it soberly, nothing to do with what I propose. As to who balanced this game I am sorry dude it was not the "professional devs" [omg Tuxford :D] it was the player base. If you had been pew pewint it since 2005 (like I have) or since 2003 (like many other folks) you would know that. Devs are also helpfull, only when they are competent players at the same time (not always the case).
The irony in your post I wont comment on other than to say that from one such as you it is more aking to self insulting.
Thank you for the good lucks I allready said where I am be my guest :) |
Kenrailae
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
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Posted - 2013.10.03 07:03:00 -
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Maximus Aerelius wrote:Darling Hassasin wrote:Kenrailae wrote:<- Logi pilot
OP, at the end of the day, if you're having to bribe your logi dudes with Kill mails to get them to fly logi, you need to invest in proper logi pilots. Logi isn't about Kill mails. It's about making an otherwise impossible situation not only possible, but likely.
Not sure what they get out of it but as you are a Logi pilot and I am not, I ll take your word for it. v0v It's the rush of repping someone back from the brink and knowing you did a pro job...I don't bask in "Killboard Glory" but that's OK, it means I've done my job if we get the kill...not the points on some external website. Just my thoughts, I'm sure some LogiBros want to be on those killboards but changing the Logistics Class isn't the way to go about it IMO.
Being on KB's is nice and all, but sticking another bonus or mod on a logistics ship isn't the answer. The answer is more along the lines of adjusting aggression timers to reflect on KM's. Until then, I'll just use and abuse Drone assist as much as I may. The problem with sticking MORE things on logi boats is they already have their hands full with ECCM, Logistics, cap chains, hardeners, monitoring distances, monitoring watch lists, monitoring broadcasts, monitoring relative position of themselves to friendlies and hostiles, monitoring relative position of themselves in relation to warp ins, listening to fleet comms so they're aligned, or warping, etc, monitoring the heat damage on their mods...... shall I continue? lol
Really the last thing they need is ANOTHER thing to do, or a reason they HAVE to lock hostiles as well as friendlies.
IF logistics were going to get another bonus, I'd think they would benefit most from a capacitor bonus, sig radius bonus, or sensor strength bonus. The Law is a point of View |
Darling Hassasin
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.10.03 08:33:00 -
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@Kenrail... (avoiding pyramids)
All these things are true but you are looking at it from a pure logi p.o.v. The point of this exercise / proposal is not to make Logistics even more effective. Simply adding some flavor to them (having to lock hostiles too 'if' the circumstances require it - but getting on the mails) and more importantly allowing cruise and torp boats to maximize their applied dps without sacrificsinng too many mids to painters.
I suppose the fact that no missile BS users are posting here about the other part of the equation means that either they are fine as things stand on TQ or that there are no missile BS users (or very few).
Personally I insist that both problems are real and should be fixed (off course for fixng only the Logi on mails thing there are other suggestions such as people said above add repping parties to the mail), however if only dedicated Logistics pilots are willing to get involved and they only see the additional burden for them... well ... right or wrong I can't see any support for it and we might as well send this to the "impractical ideas" archive.
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Kenrailae
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
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Posted - 2013.10.03 11:15:00 -
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I think the biggest problem with this idea is the ship class you've chosen. Any other ship class in the game would be able to do this more realistically than a logistics boat. Most missile BS tend to have mid slots available for TP's. There are also frigs and cruisers that are bonused to TP's already. If you're bringing, (example) torp phoons, bring a rapier/huginn to or two to TP/web if you're in shield or loki/rapier if you're in armor.
But the idea of putting this additional role on a logi boat is, I think, what has this dead in the water from the start. The Law is a point of View |
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