Or easier solution would be to also include supporting ships on a killmail.

(Similar to how criminal-flags work)

AFAIK:

Logi = Logistics by definition: Logistics is the management of the flow of resources between the point of origin and the point of consumption in order to meet some requirements. In our case the flow of Shield\Armour|Structure () and Capacitor to the target in order to keep there arse firmly in the fight.

Target Painters = Electronic Warfare

Want a TP? Drop a mid-slot module and fit one. They are slot assigned to fall in with choices and consequences. This idea, IMO, doesn't need to happen as the choice is already in place.

Or drop rep drones if you are carrying them for TP drones...

Choices are there already IG.

As I said in the OP pls try to comment on the precise merit demerit.

I did...and I don't think it has merit. Please try reading before "Reply Bashing".

If you want Electronic Warfare then bring an EW ship to the field or compromise on the Logistic fit and bring a hybrid without the bonus. It's all about choices and consequences and having an EW bonus on a Logistics ship doesn't fit with the class.

Sorry but that is obviously just my opinion on it and I'm sure others will have their own.

I did...and I don't think it has merit. Please try reading before "Reply Bashing".

If you want Electronic Warfare then bring an EW ship to the field or compromise on the Logistic fit and bring a hybrid without the bonus. It's all about choices and consequences and having an EW bonus on a Logistics ship doesn't fit with the class.

Sorry but that is obviously just my opinion on it and I'm sure others will have their own.

Actually, i can speak for the rest of the game playing base on this one, your opinion is dead on!

+1

Well technically we are not dicsussing an EW bonus but I take your point. It is certainly a departure from current norm for this class. Would you care to elaborate however on why you think this is a bad thing.

This community is somehwta prejudiced against change to protect pvp balnce and they are right to be so to an extent. On the other hand this is the features and ideas discussion a part of the forums where it is helpful to discuss new ideas with as little prejudice as possible. Hence lets think about this, other than the fact that this looks like a dangerous change just because it is a change, can we identify the actual dangers?

For example do you think Logis in combat are already OP and this would further increase their usefulness, even marginally, so it is a step in the wrong direction for this reason?

This what I mean about merits and demerits.

(a) its optimal is same as optimal+fall off of regular painter
(b) it applies a 5% speed reduction on target ship and
(c) only one can be fitted per vessel
+3 Locked Targets ability

Nice analysis. I did aim for a bit of free TPing at long range coming from the logis to help the missile users. I think one of the main reasons that we have not yet seen the Phoon and Raven doctrines that most predicted after the missile patch is exactly the need for TPs on the missile ship negating tank and / or utility. [Even more so in small gang warfare]

Regarding the +3 targets the intent was to help the Logi to have both friendly and enemy ships locked but you are right that it could and up as an (unnecessary) buff to the straight up defencive use of the Logis.

The things you present as problems are problems indeed...

The reason I thought of a high sot was because the intended use was (inter alia) to have the Logi pilot activating an "offensive" mod. Lorewise its easy of course, you just call it Target Pipointing Laser (looks a bit like a mining laser or something )... Also I chose the one extra dedicated highslot to eliminate any other effect on the current set ups (always a good idea to eliminate the effect of a new feature to the use of existing features and load outs.).

Anyway I admit my concept needs improvement... but the problems remain (Logi not on mails and missile ships under used in pvp -for the last 6 years or so... arguably since 2003 bar the odd mOo cruise Kestrel lol-) and I d love it if we could come up with an idea to solve both.

now most posts in Features and Ideas are self-serving, thats a given. Whats neat about this post is that its so specificly tailored to the OPs wants and desires. I also greatly appreciate the shocked "what do you mean this isnt something every player would want?" attitude.

of just chuck drone in and assist them on the leader

You should have read the OP to the end and you would realise that I can fly anything I want (and actually do). If I wanted a post about my personal needs it would probably be about docking supercapitals so I would have more of my chars available regularly.

However failposting is a time honoured tradition in eve-o froums so I am glad to see you keeping the faith.

lets analyze the thought process that lead you to this super awesome idea that benefits everyone:

"gee i really like my logi ship but i cant seem to get on killmails..."

"i know! ill put a target painter on!....wait....i cant fit one without making a sacrifice...."

"ah! ive got it! ill go complain on the forums that I want to totally change TPs just so i can make this one fit work"

"and ya know...i may as well ***** about how i cant seem to kill stuff in my drake as well...."

am i close?


I have an idea too. i wanna fit more drone damage amps on my myrmi so lets make a high slot DDA! everyone wants that and its totally balanced! but make the highslot DDA only fit on the exact ship i want it for....oh and its also a mini webber!

Insane fitting requirements. 99% reduction for fitting it in the Logi role bonus.

Good Logi pilots wont care about killboard whoring plus why would a logo pilot want to lock up an enemy ship which will interfere with his locked targets and reps.

tell me moar about your mains, forum warrior. manage to kill anything with your drake yet? its F1...that button all the way on the left of your keyboard.

edit: oh and you should most definitely PM me who they are and what system you currently like to spin ships in