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Andski
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Posted - 2013.09.26 19:30:00 -
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How will you address the concern that you are effectively giving a for-profit player entity a major windfall due to increased revenue from players hoping to get these prizes? Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Andski
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Posted - 2013.09.26 19:40:00 -
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CCP Navigator wrote:Cursan Voran wrote:Also, as someone who does not use somer blink, how do I get a chance at these giveaways? You can register and play a free promo blink which happen often and get an entry.
Correct, but you gain more entries, and thus a higher chance of winning, by actually depositing ISK and playing regular blinks:
Quote:Here's how it works: Any time you play any Blink, you receive 1 ticket to the drawing (even if you buy more than one ticket). Plus, if you win the Blink, you receive bonus tickets based on the size of the Blink.
(For example, if you win a Big Blink, you'll receive three ticketsGÇö one for playing and two for winning.)
This is literally no different from spawning a T2 BPO for a player, except that a T2 BPO is much less lucrative than this. Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Andski
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Posted - 2013.09.26 19:50:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Aryth wrote:Golly gee. It appears the players still don't like CCP handing a player group 100's of billions of ISK. I am shocked by this development. What 100's of billions of ISK would those be? The ones they will donate for prizes at EVE Vega perhaps? 
The prizes they're donating are pitiful in contrast to what they'll gain from this promotion. They're giving 200M in blink credit to everyone that participates in the EVE Vegas PvP tournament, and 1B blink credit + PLEX to the winners. EVE Vegas is not even remotely a Fanfest-sized player gathering, and not everyone that will attend will participate in the PvP tournament. We're talking about trillions of ISK in exchange for a few PLEX and blink credits given to a handful of people. Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.26 19:57:00 -
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http://i.imgur.com/n72XLyb.png
Does this clear up doubt about this deal being hilariously beneficial for Somer?
You may see that exact same graph on their website under "Statistics." I'm sure Somer will enjoy raking at least twice the ISK he would otherwise make during the same time period, plus his kickbacks from Markee Dragon, in exchange for acting as a middleman for CCP and giving some dudes in Vegas some petty prizes. Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.26 20:10:00 -
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I think Ranger 1 somehow confuses Somer Blink for a charity. Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.26 20:14:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Whom, exactly, are they competing with in game?
EOH Poker and The BIG Lottery just to name two fairly prominent examples that you should know better than to disregard. Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Andski
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Posted - 2013.09.26 20:16:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Or are we now to the point that we are going to say they don't provide a popular service for EVE players, and are not worthy of sponsorship to run a special event?
Of course they shouldn't get sponsorship. They're an in-game organization composed of a group of players who should not get any sort of special treatment from CCP. Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.26 20:22:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:So either one of them is more worthy of sponsorship? Or should none of them be considered for something like this because of the nature of the service they offer?
How about Chribba? Is he the only person or organization in EVE worthy of CCP sponsorship for an event?
Or is what you are really saying is that CCP should never sponsor any 3rd party group of players or organizations? If so, that is a valid point for debate and is far more worthy of discussion that casting frankly imaginary stones.
What if CCP decides to give away a free all-expenses paid trip to Fanfest for anybody who signs up to rent space from the CFC? It's a service we're providing and renting is a popular service! It's not favoritism guys they're just supporting players providing valuable services to the community out of the goodness of their hearts Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.26 20:34:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:If the CFC sponsored an event like EVE Vega and sold tickets for ISK and/or cash with CCP's permission, or hosted a competitive tournament (accepting entry fee's of course) I could certainly see CCP sponsoring some of the prizes for you to hand out.
EVE Vegas is an event that actually develops the community. A gambling event is not. Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.26 20:40:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:That's somewhat debatable as gambling services are in rather high demand in EVE.
So are supercapital builders. What if CCP encouraged players to buy supers from a specific builder for a chance at winning CCP sponsored prizes? There is absolutely no difference between what CCP is doing right now and spawning T2 BPOs for an alliance, absolutely none. Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.26 20:43:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Truthfully, I view this as an honest attempt to provide CCP backing to prominent organizations in the community... handled in perhaps the clumsiest way imaginable, but their intentions are fairly clear and honest I believe.
The last time CCP backed a "prominent organization" they ended up in a media disaster that destroyed their reputation with the playerbase. People have regularly accused CCP of favoritism towards in-game organizations since.
This is blatant favoritism. Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.26 20:46:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:That depends, are the super capital builders sponsoring Titan give away contests to their customers?
Oh yes, I guess people should sponsor giveways by car dealerships because sometimes you might have a chance to win a TV just by walking into the showroom while a guy tries to talk you into buying an SUV. Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.26 21:47:00 -
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I was under the impression that CCP does not vouch for the trustworthiness of any player. Yet, here you are, implicitly vouching for their trustworthiness. Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.26 21:57:00 -
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CAAN0N wrote:Andski wrote:You know CCP, when you have Chribba, pirates, hisec bears, Goons, former BoB members, PL members, newbies, veterans, bittervets, collectors, and basically everyone in this game that isn't a complete troll or Blink fanboy telling you that you're doing something completely wrong to the point where you're repeating the same mistakes that caused the media storm that led to your creation of the very player council you failed to consult on this issue, you are seriously screwing up. And they listened +1 CCP
They didn't listen, actually. My post was talking about CCP repeating the exact same thing that led to the largest scandal in the game before Monoclegate, their blatant disregard of staff working with a group of players to give them a huge advantage. CCP's role in the game is that of a steward, not a kingmaker. Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.26 22:21:00 -
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Hey CCP, when can TheMittani.com start offering unique ships and Fanfest packages sponsored by CCP through their website and stream?
Oh, never, because they don't provide incentives for players to buy GTCs. Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.27 14:23:00 -
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look, another one that thinks somer blink is a charity Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Andski
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Posted - 2013.09.27 14:34:00 -
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the only people bothered by CCP giving insane wealth to a player entity are goons, apparently
is everyone in this thread who isn't applauding CCP for giving somer blink trillions of isk a goon alt? Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Andski
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Posted - 2013.09.27 21:57:00 -
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Guys people would use somerblink anyway it's silly to think that they'd get significantly increased traffic and thus revenue from this promotion Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Andski
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Posted - 2013.09.28 05:37:00 -
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Abditus Cularius wrote:When it was pre-existing hulls, there was a lot of valid complaint.
Now: I see a bunch of goons saying "Give it to us instead" and a bunch of other lottos saying "Give it to us instead"
When both are being ignored, I see them both crying foul.
This all reads like new player jealously.
BIG has been given limited edition ships 2? 3? times now. SCL were given Ishiscorps before. Blink was given Isiscorps before.
No part of this is new behavior.
You realize we're asking CCP give us all that stuff in jest, right? I guess you have absolutely no grasp of sarcasm.
This isn't jealousy, it's denouncing CCP's blatant favoritism.
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.28 06:07:00 -
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Abditus Cularius wrote:Again, I get why someone whose august resume includes GoonWaffe and EN24 mk2 wouldn't know this - and how your elite reporting skills could miss the link three posts down from the one you quoted - but the favoritism you're complaining about isn't new.
At all.
This has been the way of Eve for the last 10 years, at the very least.
This isn't even the biggest case of giving stuff out to player organizations publically.
It's not even the 3rd time this has happened since 09 nubbins like you started playing.
Player organizations that do things CCP like for the community get CCP endorsement.
I understand that you didn't know this, and now that someone has spoon fed you the knowledge you feel like the game has changed.
But it hasn't.
You've just seen a part of it you were oblivious to in your little corner, previously.
Checking my creation date isn't actually adding any credibility to your argument.
Beyond that, feel free to point out those more significant cases of CCP publicly giving stuff to player organizations. The t20 incident does not count, because that was done in secret. Alliance tournament prizes do not count. Also, the SCL prizes were pooled by players involved with organizing the event. Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.28 06:20:00 -
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Hey look, more irrelevant pre-t20 crap.
Also, an impoc is hardly equivalent in value to all-expenses paid trips to Fanfest Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Andski
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Posted - 2013.09.28 06:57:00 -
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Hey, are you expecting free Blink credit for defending them in this thread?
Asking CCP to keep that "impartial guardian of the sandbox" role they claim to take and not act as a kingmaker is not an unreasonable request. Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Andski
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Posted - 2013.09.28 07:14:00 -
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The other cases of favoritism generated controversy. This one just happened to get more attention.
CCP having done this **** before doesn't mean we have to accept it or that we shouldn't ask CCP to stop doing it. Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.28 07:37:00 -
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Cannibal Kane wrote:I think people are jealous... And rightly so... I too would love one of those ships. But I will not do it through gambling.
The concern isn't about who gets some ships that will stay in a hangar until the end of time. The concern is that CCP have basically given Somer a blank check: people will deposit more ISK, play more blinks and otherwise give Somer more ISK during this promotion. Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.28 07:50:00 -
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Quote:Andski said, "EVE Vegas is an event that actually develops the community. A gambling event is not."
Ah, shoot. Back to okay for Devs to back player events again.
The only outcome of CCP promoting EVE Vegas is a higher likelihood of EVE Vegas being a much more exciting event and happening in the future. The organizer isn't gaining anything in-game.
Quote:Andski said, "Hey CCP, when can TheMittani.com start offering unique ships and Fanfest packages sponsored by CCP through their website and stream?"
Only okay if it's you, now. But it's hard to play moral outrage and willing vendor at the same time...
You obviously lack any grasp of sarcasm.
My opinions haven't "flailed", you are just grasping at straws. Feel free to post more of your lil line by line rebuttals though, it's really amusing that you try so hard with dumb posts trying to discredit me based on my character creation timestamp - while posting with a 2012 character. Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.28 07:58:00 -
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Sar'ran Zorn wrote:Andski wrote:Quote:Andski said, "EVE Vegas is an event that actually develops the community. A gambling event is not."
Ah, shoot. Back to okay for Devs to back player events again. The only outcome of CCP promoting EVE Vegas is a higher likelihood of EVE Vegas being a much more exciting event and happening in the future. The organizer isn't gaining anything in-game. Except all the **** Somer is giving them. You are really clueless dude. Just stop.
somer blink are super generous for giving some plex and blink credits (lol) to people participating in a PvP tournament, of course
we should clearly deposit all of our isk and play blink to the end of time and empty our checking accounts into his markee dragon affiliate link in recognition of his generosity, and CCP should give Somerset Mahm GM powers
that is the only fair way to praise him for being so generous, giving away so many petty prizes to people without the clear goal of promoting his lottery site Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Andski
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Posted - 2013.09.28 07:59:00 -
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Abditus Cularius wrote:Sure thing, kiddo.
You carry on with the righteous crusade.
I'll look forward to seeing your article about it on Reddit.
oh wait....
I don't do anything with TMC anymore. Keep trying! Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.28 08:12:00 -
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Sar'ran Zorn wrote:You really need to work on being less obvious with the Straw Man stuff.
You said they don't get anything in game for doing Eve Vegas. They're getting a shitload of in game stuff from Somer.
That you think people shouldn't use Somer is separate from you being incredibly wrong.
Where was it announced that Somer was giving anything to the organizers of EVE Vegas? Somer is sponsoring some prizes for participants and winners of the PvP tournament that will take place there, but to my knowledge, they're not giving anything to the organizers. And even if Somer decided to give the organizers some crap as a thank you for running EVE Vegas, there is absolutely no requirement, at all, to pay ISK to attend EVE Vegas.
I have absolutely nothing against Somer, but I recognize them for what they are: a lottery site that operates to generate a profit. They are not a charity. Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.28 08:50:00 -
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are you getting blink credits for making really dumb arguments like "there's a chance that people will give ISK to the organizers of eve vegas as thanks therefore it is a venture to enhance one's position in-game just like somer blink"
for example, can you point out what the organizers of eve vegas are getting in-game, or where anybody discussed giving them in-game items Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.28 08:50:00 -
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or are you just trolling at this point
frankly i'd be pretty embarrassed if i was trying to discredit somebody because of one part of their post based on something that i have presented zero evidence for, like the organizers of eve vegas being given in-game benefits for running that event
i guess some people have no shame Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.28 09:06:00 -
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Ethan Snow wrote:Andski wrote:i guess some people have no shame Too easy, shiptoaster. Too easy.
yes it is too easy, because they're literally down to arguing that I should also be upset over CCP sponsoring eve vegas because there's a possibility that they'll receive in-game benefits, and that being that people might send the organizer ISK as thanks for organizing the event Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.28 16:51:00 -
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Memnon Shepard wrote:Groups who want CCP sponsorship, make arguments pointing to the marketing campaigns you've created that simultaneously redistribute tons of ISK back into the Eve community fairly. Indicate the individual player projects you've supported with your profits, how you've driven turnout to events, and propose a method for distributing those prizes across 95% of the Eve population (yeah it's currently not a perfect method, we get it). If CCP is looking to move forward with stuff like this, which a lot of the people I've talked to seem to be OK with, act like businesses and figure out how to benefit from it.
We're asking CCP to use common ******* sense in who they sponsor. Writing blank checks for a for-profit group, or giving anybody a bunch of unique stuff no strings attached is not the right approach, at all.
It's like if they gave Goonswarm BPOs for T3s, and announced it. We'd be the only group in the entire game with such a thing, and I bet you wouldn't be white knighting in that case! CCP would still be wrong. Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.28 22:50:00 -
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Asuri Kinnes wrote:You too?
Christ, HTFU.
Wish Hilmer would come into this thread and tell everyone to F.O.
screw this bunch of whiney bitches.
Somehow I think you're confusing "harden the **** up" with "agree with everything CCP does because they are an infallible entity that does no wrong"
If people did what you apparently think is "HTFU" in the summer of 2011 we'd have gold ammo and gold ships by now. Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.28 23:13:00 -
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You know, all that stops us from being the new BoB is having CCP gift us T2 BPOs.
I'm sure you'd vigorously defend CCP if they did such a thing. Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Andski
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Posted - 2013.09.29 01:34:00 -
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Asuri Kinnes wrote:This isn't eve 2007, Goons *are* the new Band of Brothers (you guys still have the alliance name stashed away, don't you?) and you don't need t2 bpos.
Neither did they. Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Andski
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Posted - 2013.10.02 06:24:00 -
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This kind of thing is probably going to become a regular thing with this new CCP, led by former EA suits. Twitter: @EVEAndski
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