1. Visit Somerblink
2. Click on Referral Link to Markee Dragon (Usedto be Shattered Crystal)
3. Purchase Isk
4. 250mil isk is automatically transferred to your blink account
5. Somerblink receive a payment for you purchasing isk from Markee Dragon

This could be RMT could be debated however I would say yes as isk is being used to generate real life money.

In another thread I did accuse Lucas of saying CCP endorses RMT as he accused Somerblink of RMT.

I disagreed with him for the reasons he gave and I still do in that regards.

However he has throw somewhat of a curve ball here as I do believe this is can be a class of RMT.

This is where your entire argument falls apart. That's like saying Monopoly Money is the equivalent of USD, you are just forced to play Monopoly to use it. The "worth" of blink credits is essentially zero.

This is where your entire argument falls apart. That's like saying Monopoly Money is the equivalent of USD, you are just forced to play Monopoly to use it. The "worth" of blink credits is essentially zero.

Wait. What? That cant be legal.

Can you clarify for those who never used their website or bought plexes via other vendors than ccp.
What you mean by #3 - Puchase isk?

Wait. What? That cant be legal.

Can you clarify for those who never used their website or bought plexes via other vendors than ccp.
What you mean by #3 - Puchase isk?

Change #3 to purchase GTC. Which is probably why this is "okay."

a) GTC purchased. CCP and Markee Dragon make $$$.
b) You receive GTC and blink credit.
c) On a large sample size, some of that blink credit will be converted to isk.
d) Somerblink receives $$$ from Markee dragon.

So, you give $$$ to Markee Dragon. You will, on a large sample size, get some isk from Somer Blink through wins from blink credit. Somer gets $$$.

Don't think this counts as RMT per se, but maybe someone else can explain it better.

Change #3 to purchase GTC. Which is probably why this is "okay."

a) GTC purchased. CCP and Markee Dragon make $$$.
b) You receive GTC and blink credit.
c) On a large sample size, some of that blink credit will be converted to isk.
d) Somerblink receives $$$ from Markee dragon.

So, you give $$$ to Markee Dragon. You will, on a large sample size, get some isk from Somer Blink through wins from blink credit. Somer gets $$$.

Don't think this counts as RMT per se, but maybe someone else can explain it better.

It's not RMT.
It's RM-for-non-game-non-ISK-tickets-to-be-part-of-a-draw-for-non-guaranteed-rewards.

No in-game items are exchanged for out-of-game services or goods.

The fallacies with this argument is that you receive ISK, the currency in exchange for real money via a convoluted route.
SOMER does never give you any in game currency and it cannot be argued they do. When you purchase a GTC you receiver the GTC and a credit to your account.
This credit holds no monetary value in the economy and can only be used to purchase "blinks". SOMER has for the sake of simplicity used a denomination of tokens that holds the same tag as currency of the game. The idea here was probably to alow flexibility between the different prizes offered and the buoyant value of items relative to currency. This prevents and argument of RMT as you are never in possession of any currency, only tokens that hold the same market value as you paid.

Strawman torched.

Create a blink
Buy all 8 tickets with your free blink credit
Claim winnings in ISK

The argument is RMT nothing more nothing less, you never are given isk.
Blinking all tickets still isn't giving you isk.

The fallacies with this argument is that you receive ISK, the currency in exchange for real money via a convoluted route.
SOMER does never give you any in game currency and it cannot be argued they do. When you purchase a GTC you receiver the GTC and a credit to your account.
This credit holds no monetary value in the economy and can only be used to purchase "blinks". SOMER has for the sake of simplicity used a denomination of tokens that holds the same tag as currency of the game. The idea here was probably to alow flexibility between the different prizes offered and the buoyant value of items relative to currency. This prevents and argument of RMT as you are never in possession of any currency, only tokens that hold the same market value as you paid.

Strawman torched.

The argument is RMT nothing more nothing less, you never are given isk.
Blinking all tickets still isn't giving you isk.
If you hold all tickets and win then you still haven't bought any money.
You still win a prize and can get isk but SOMER never gave you isk.
The option to "cash out" is the collection of the lottery prize you've won.
You didn't buy isk. You bought into a game and played it. You won. You get a prize for winning.

Not RMT
just people gaming a system because there are not any rules in place to prevent you buying every ticket.

Another Space Lawyer fail thread. Grasping at straws.

You guys don't have a grasp about how things work.

CCP are not against RMT at all.

They are against RMT that steals from their IP and servers (i.e. by overloading their CPUs) to bring money to 3rd parties.

They aren't against RMT where the beneficiary is CCP themselves.

PLEX is RMT and they are quite fine with it, they actually implement it.
The barbies dressing shop is RMT and they are fine with it.

The Somer => GTC => CCP "circle" is also fine with them because in the end CCP gets the huge majority of RL money income out of it. Yes, some trickles to Somer but that's cost of business, it's not "stolen" by unknowns.

Other companies - see Entropia but also several famous others - make these kinds of deals much more "in the open" and maybe CCP should become more transparent and structure 3rd party business deals instead of resorting to this indirect kind of shared profits. But hey, they are in charge here and we signup to whatever fanciful EULA they propose.

The fallacies with this argument is that you receive ISK, the currency in exchange for real money via a convoluted route.
SOMER does never give you any in game currency and it cannot be argued they do. When you purchase a GTC you receiver the GTC and a credit to your account.
This credit holds no monetary value in the economy and can only be used to purchase "blinks". SOMER has for the sake of simplicity used a denomination of tokens that holds the same tag as currency of the game. The idea here was probably to alow flexibility between the different prizes offered and the buoyant value of items relative to currency. This prevents and argument of RMT as you are never in possession of any currency, only tokens that hold the same market value as you paid.

Strawman torched.

Sigh.
Because you are purchasing into this agreement not with any money, you are buying a GTC
Right?
You get a GTC whoopedey door.
But because you bought the GTC through an affiliate you are eligible for an amount of tokens from a site.
People are getting a muddled idea because although there is real money exchanging hands.
You buy from markee and get a GTC that us one transaction.
If you came to markee from SOMER then you can get a bonus with them.
You did not pay SOMER you are not buying anything at all through SOMER.
SOMER is giving you a free bonus for "using his friend"
ergo no RMT. Your only interaction with SOMER over this entire process is getting free tokens.

The basis of your argument of it being RMT is that you can never lose, it is easy to lose BLINK. The fact there is a mechanic that you stack the draw 100% does not mean it is RMT.

Further more, OP's highly misguided statment of CCP "Officially allows" RMT is therefore even more baseless.

Caliph, regardless of what you think or not, unless you have solid proof of Markee and SOMER in cahoots that baseless defamation is going to get you nowhere.

Exaggerations of facts doesn't help your argument either, In this case with somer you can have at best a 15/16 chance of winning without reaching that magical 100% "RMT threshold" you go on about.

Your argument of cash in isk out makes sense if they were directly selling isk as a product.

Again i shall say that you purchase a product off markee, and he gives you that product.
Following a referral from SOMER gets you their credit, nowhere here is there any semblance of RMT.
Your argument of getting isk for cash (RMT) comes from the fact that SOMER has payouts, and it is possible to buy all tickets to a lottery.

Hypothetically speaking IF this were RMT and under best circumstances of getting the 250M bonus during an event. you purchase every ticket to a raven blink, it costs you 248m of your credit to stack it.
upon winning you receive a raven, or 197m isk.

Is what you are suggesting that you have bought 200m isk off SOMER for however much cut they get?
If so then a simple rule to stop complete buyouts would negate any argumentative base you hold on that it is impossible to lose.

Spin yourself a bug report and report it to them and hope you get a cookie.

But accusing them of RMT because of a common marketing strategy is kinda low don't you think?

Also i just realised how OT this thread has become.

TLDR: CCP STILL doesn't support RMT

They don't give you ISK, they give you Blink Credit. You can't spend Blink Credit in-game. Stop being silly.

RMT has nothing to do with the fact that you can win or lose.
At the end of the day it comes to one simple fact. Somer gives out ISK and in return gets cash. They are using their isk to make cash. That is RMT. If it's valid because it's hidden behind a "game" then anyone can make a site selling any in game item or isk for tokens in their "game".

In this case it's done through a referral, so Somer are giving you isk to buy something through them. That's no different from an RMTer getting you to buy some arbitrary product for which they get paid in exchange for isk. If it's allowed, it opens up enormous loopholes which allows RMT.