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boernl
L0s Zetas Brothers of Tangra
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Posted - 2013.09.27 16:46:00 -
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hello folks
me and i know a lot of others bought the mind link after themining barge change
at that point there was not a anouncement yet that they were going to change way they could be aquired
so i bought that thing 2.1 b
and about 2 days later they pronounce that the mind links could be bought with concorde lp
i say that they should reimburse the difference between the price we payed and the price it became
the price now is only a fraction of what is was when it was still a "rare" drop
already made a petition about this but all they simply dont care
i call this theft from the players by ccp
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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
3643
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Posted - 2013.09.27 16:49:00 -
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sad_trombone.wav
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |

VTyx Soul
ENEBRIATED MINERS Ltd Iron State
0
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Posted - 2013.09.27 16:52:00 -
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Your tears and short sightedness fills me with joy. |

boernl
L0s Zetas Brothers of Tangra
8
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Posted - 2013.09.27 16:58:00 -
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well you 2 both clearly miss the reason wy i made this threat
i would apreciate it if ppl dont troll in this case |

Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog
B.L.U.E L.A.S.E.R.
169
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Posted - 2013.09.27 16:59:00 -
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I sold one of my two mindlinks before the patch, but still had one sitting in inventory that I hadn't given a thought to.
I lost a billion isk easy by not selling it. I'd like that put directly into my wallet too, please. I am not an alt of Chribba. |

I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
593
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Posted - 2013.09.27 16:59:00 -
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Welcome to EVE OP. Stuff like you're talking about happens all the time. It's part of the game. CCP did it to help out the masses, so they don't really care if one or two people are butthurt over changes like this. Kind of mimics real life, eh? CCP didn't steal your money, they didn't make the changes just to steal your isk. Just absorb your loss, move on, and try not to make yourself look too silly over it. *removed inappropriate signature* - CCP Eterne |

Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog
B.L.U.E L.A.S.E.R.
169
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Posted - 2013.09.27 17:01:00 -
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boernl wrote:well you 2 both clearly miss the reason wy i made this threat
i would apreciate it if ppl dont troll in this case
Ignore the trolls buddy, you're in the right. Everyone who ever bought one of those mindlinks is due a heavy reimbursement by CCP.
In all honesty, CCP should probably reimburse every character who ever lost isk due to a market fluctuation that came about from new/altered items. Fair is fair.
I am not an alt of Chribba. |

boernl
L0s Zetas Brothers of Tangra
8
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Posted - 2013.09.27 17:04:00 -
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Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog wrote:boernl wrote:well you 2 both clearly miss the reason wy i made this threat
i would apreciate it if ppl dont troll in this case Ignore the trolls buddy, you're in the right. Everyone who ever bought one of those mindlinks is due a heavy reimbursement by CCP. In all honesty, CCP should probably reimburse every character who ever lost isk due to a market fluctuation that came about from new/altered items. Fair is fair.
thats a little more than is realistic
if they would set a period of a week or 2 before they announced it ( since that is when they went skyhigh after the mining changes) that would be realistic |

Tivookempireslave
State War Academy Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2013.09.27 17:08:00 -
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boernl wrote:hello folks
me and i know a lot of others bought the mind link after themining barge change
at that point there was not a anouncement yet that they were going to change way they could be aquired
so i bought that thing 2.1 b
and about 2 days later they pronounce that the mind links could be bought with concorde lp
i say that they should reimburse the difference between the price we payed and the price it became
the price now is only a fraction of what is was when it was still a "rare" drop
already made a petition about this but all they simply dont care
i call this theft from the players by ccp
This will never happen, you're just making a fool out of yourself.
However, please do state the percentage of salt in your tears at this very moment. |

Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
3648
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Posted - 2013.09.27 17:18:00 -
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boernl wrote:Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog wrote:boernl wrote:well you 2 both clearly miss the reason wy i made this threat
i would apreciate it if ppl dont troll in this case Ignore the trolls buddy, you're in the right. Everyone who ever bought one of those mindlinks is due a heavy reimbursement by CCP. In all honesty, CCP should probably reimburse every character who ever lost isk due to a market fluctuation that came about from new/altered items. Fair is fair. thats a little more than is realistic if they would set a period of a week or 2 before they announced it ( since that is when they went skyhigh after the mining changes) that would be realistic
This happens all the time.
CCP intentionally does not release some expansion information beforehand especially if it could be used to exploit the market or obtain an unfair advantage.
Could be worse, you could have speculated and bought a metric ass-load of tractor beam BPOs.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4626
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Posted - 2013.09.27 17:22:00 -
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Hilarious. There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |

brinelan
The Flying Dead Insidious Empire
102
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Posted - 2013.09.27 17:28:00 -
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It was worth 2.1b to you at the time you bought it and you were ok with it at that price, nothing changed about the implant... so the market fluxuated, it happens. |

Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
1588
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Posted - 2013.09.27 17:38:00 -
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Lemme guess, you still have cargo rigs on your Hulk as well... |

Charlie Firpol
Noob Mercs Monkeys with Guns.
0
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Posted - 2013.09.27 18:03:00 -
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Derath Ellecon wrote:Lemme guess, you still have cargo rigs on your Hulk as well...
T2 Cargo Rigs! |

PhatController
Mum Rider Alliance Abandon PlayGrounds
43
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Posted - 2013.09.27 18:26:00 -
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boernl wrote:Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog wrote:boernl wrote:well you 2 both clearly miss the reason wy i made this threat
i would apreciate it if ppl dont troll in this case Ignore the trolls buddy, you're in the right. Everyone who ever bought one of those mindlinks is due a heavy reimbursement by CCP. In all honesty, CCP should probably reimburse every character who ever lost isk due to a market fluctuation that came about from new/altered items. Fair is fair. thats a little more than is realistic if they would set a period of a week or 2 before they announced it ( since that is when they went skyhigh after the mining changes) that would be realistic
All this would do is have a bunch of crybabies like yourself, making forums post that they bought the mindlink 2 weeks and 1 days before the patch and din't get a refund.
Prices change in eve all the time, get over it. |

Rengerel en Distel
1951
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Posted - 2013.09.27 18:43:00 -
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I sold 5 or 6 of them when they were only going for 500M, can i get the 1.6B difference each I lost by not holding onto them until the price went up? Willing to just take a SOMER SOE ship instead to make it easier on CCP.
With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.
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boernl
L0s Zetas Brothers of Tangra
9
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Posted - 2013.09.27 19:06:00 -
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hatcontroller
i am not talking about market inflictions
im talking about a chaneg ccp made for the (again) newer players so they dont have to work so hard to obtain the mindlink
and yes i did expect ppl to respond to the threst thatswhere i made it for
only i dislike it a lot that so many ppl only respont with trols instead of decent comments |

Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
3655
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Posted - 2013.09.27 19:23:00 -
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boernl wrote:
im talking about a chaneg ccp made for the (again) newer players so they dont have to work so hard to obtain the mindlink
No. CCP simply fixed these so they would be more available again. These links only got so expensive because they used to come from 2 sources: a rare lvl 4 mission reward, and certain COSMOS plexes. Then in 2010 CCP nerfed one of those sources (COSMOS). So instead of reworking that stuff, they decided to make them a LP store item like most every other implant.
I still have a link in a hangar somewhere I only paid 90mil for back before the nerf. I guess I should be clamoring that CCP ruined my chance to sell it for a billion or more.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |

boernl
L0s Zetas Brothers of Tangra
9
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Posted - 2013.09.28 16:16:00 -
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yes that is why they were called "rare" and rare items are expensive
if they wanna fix something like that
they could have announced it when they changed the mining system that would have bin fine
but instead they let the price go skyhigh and than they change it
that the price went up so much had to do with changing the mining system
the biggest problem are the players who are afraid to open theyr mouths if they disagree on something like this
but they do troll the ppl that do have the balls to go against ccp |

X ATM092
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
95
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Posted - 2013.09.28 16:31:00 -
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The price went up because of the addition of other storyline missions which diluted the supply. You paid 2.1b for something you thought was worth 2.1b and you still have the thing, you lost nothing. You are bad at eve and bad at thinking. |
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boernl
L0s Zetas Brothers of Tangra
9
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Posted - 2013.09.28 17:06:00 -
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X ATM092 wrote:The price went up because of the addition of other storyline missions which diluted the supply. You paid 2.1b for something you thought was worth 2.1b and you still have the thing, you lost nothing. You are bad at eve and bad at thinking.
dit bedoel ik dus mensen die alleen posten om te trollen en niets toevoegen |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16698
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Posted - 2013.09.28 17:11:00 -
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boernl wrote:X ATM092 wrote:The price went up because of the addition of other storyline missions which diluted the supply. You paid 2.1b for something you thought was worth 2.1b and you still have the thing, you lost nothing. You are bad at eve and bad at thinking. dit bedoel ik dus mensen die alleen posten om te trollen en niets toevoegen GǪexcept that he's right.
If it wasn't worth 2.1bn for you, you shouldn't have bought it at that price. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |

boernl
L0s Zetas Brothers of Tangra
9
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Posted - 2013.09.28 17:19:00 -
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Tippia wrote:boernl wrote:X ATM092 wrote:The price went up because of the addition of other storyline missions which diluted the supply. You paid 2.1b for something you thought was worth 2.1b and you still have the thing, you lost nothing. You are bad at eve and bad at thinking. dit bedoel ik dus mensen die alleen posten om te trollen en niets toevoegen GǪexcept that he's right. If it wasn't worth 2.1bn for you, you shouldn't have bought it at that price.
at that moment yh it was worth it
than 2 days later it wasnt thatswhy i say that ccp should invert a reimbursement time a window of time
i apologise for the dutch line in between btw
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16699
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Posted - 2013.09.28 17:24:00 -
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boernl wrote:at that moment yh it was worth it
than 2 days later it wasnt GǪand presumably, at that point, you already had what you paid a fair price for. You probably even installed it, making all future prices irrelevant since there is no resale.
Just because the markets change doesn't mean that you got an unfair deal. I presume that if you want a reimbursement period, it'll be two-way: if you buy something, and then, a week later, it becomes more expensive, the additional ISK is drawn from your wallet to cover this new, higher price?
Why should they reimburse a deal that was entirely fair and which you felt was worth-while? If it was worth it, it was worth it, and you've lost nothing. If you were trying to speculate, then that risk is part of the business and you lost your gamble so there should definitely not be any reimbursement. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |

boernl
L0s Zetas Brothers of Tangra
9
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Posted - 2013.09.28 17:27:00 -
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Tippia wrote:boernl wrote:at that moment yh it was worth it
than 2 days later it wasnt GǪand presumably, at that point, you already had what you paid a fair price for. You probably even installed it, making all future prices irrelevant since there is no resale. Just because the markets change doesn't mean that you got an unfair deal. I presume that if you want a reimbursement period, it'll be two-way: if you buy something, and then, a week later, it becomes more expensive, the additional ISK is drawn from your wallet to cover this new, higher price? Why should they reimburse a deal that was entirely fair and which you felt was worth-while? If it was worth it, it was worth it, and you've lost nothing. If you were trying to speculate, then that risk is part of the business and you lost your gamble so there should definitely not be any reimbursement.
thats the whole point that i try to make clear
it was not a market change it was a interfearance of ccp |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16699
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Posted - 2013.09.28 17:33:00 -
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boernl wrote:thats the whole point that i try to make clear
it was not a market change it was a interfearance of ccp GǪand no less a market change. CCP did not set either the old or the new price. Had the sellers been rational, they would have tried to maintain the higher price and just milked people for everything they were worth.
You still bought it for a fair price. Why should you be reimbursed for a deal you were entirely ok with? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4651
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Posted - 2013.09.28 17:53:00 -
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So if it had made the price go up, you'd be demanding ccp take the additional value from your wallet There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |

boernl
L0s Zetas Brothers of Tangra
9
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Posted - 2013.09.28 18:32:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:So if it had made the price go up, you'd be demanding ccp take the additional value from your wallet
thats bull what you write here
if it goes from rare to lp item |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16700
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Posted - 2013.09.28 18:37:00 -
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boernl wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:So if it had made the price go up, you'd be demanding ccp take the additional value from your wallet thats bull what you write here if it goes from rare to lp item No, it's a logical consequence of your suggestion. You are asking to have your purchases adjusted after the fact if something happens to the market that alters their value for a period of time after the trade has been done.
If the price goes down, you get reimbursed the additional ISK you had to pay. If the price goes you, you reimburse CCP the additional ISK you didn't pay. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |

boernl
L0s Zetas Brothers of Tangra
9
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Posted - 2013.09.28 18:47:00 -
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Tippia wrote:boernl wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:So if it had made the price go up, you'd be demanding ccp take the additional value from your wallet thats bull what you write here if it goes from rare to lp item No, it's a logical consequence of your suggestion. You are asking to have your purchases adjusted after the fact if something happens to the market that alters their value for a period of time after the trade has been done. If the price goes down, you get reimbursed the additional ISK you had to pay. If the price goes you, you reimburse CCP the additional ISK you didn't pay.
if it was direct market related the post woudlent have made sense
but if ccp literary fucks the ppl over it does |
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boernl
L0s Zetas Brothers of Tangra
9
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Posted - 2013.09.28 18:49:00 -
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have to say what you say makes sense in 1 way |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16701
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Posted - 2013.09.28 18:52:00 -
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boernl wrote:but if ccp literary fucks the ppl over it does Good thing that they don't, then. Well, maybe the occasional market speculator, but that's the nature of speculation so it is as it should be. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |

boernl
L0s Zetas Brothers of Tangra
9
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Posted - 2013.09.28 18:55:00 -
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Tippia wrote:boernl wrote:but if ccp literary fucks the ppl over it does Good thing that they don't, then. Well, maybe the occasional market speculator, but that's the nature of speculation so it is as it should be.
they **** the players over all the time
trying to make this game easier for the newer players and "balancing" everything
up till a point that the nwer players dont have to work for something anymore but the ppl who played for years simply waisted all the effort they putted in getting things done |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16701
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Posted - 2013.09.28 18:57:00 -
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boernl wrote:they **** the players over all the time
trying to make this game easier for the newer players and "balancing" everything
up till a point that the nwer players dont have to work for something anymore but the ppl who played for years simply waisted all the effort they putted in getting things done GǪyeah, no. They're not really doing that either, and making the game easier to get into is not the same thing as ******* players over. Quite the opposite. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |

March rabbit
epTa Team Inc.
784
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Posted - 2013.09.28 19:01:00 -
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boernl wrote: at that point there was not a anouncement yet that they were going to change way they could be aquired
so i bought that thing 2.1 b
and about 2 days later they pronounce that the mind links could be bought with concorde lp
happens very often. sorry for your loss but you have no hope for you
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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
3685
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Posted - 2013.09.28 19:10:00 -
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Tippia wrote:boernl wrote:they **** the players over all the time
trying to make this game easier for the newer players and "balancing" everything
up till a point that the nwer players dont have to work for something anymore but the ppl who played for years simply waisted all the effort they putted in getting things done GǪyeah, no. They're not really doing that either, and making the game easier to get into is not the same thing as ******* players over. Quite the opposite.
Can't fix stupid.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |

Sol Weinstein
Lunatic Warfare Federation
104
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Posted - 2013.09.28 22:20:00 -
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This is called "early adoption". I'm sure there is a wiki about the topic somewhere. Lots of people pay premium prices for things when they are the "new hotness". Look at how insane prices are for new technology which later becomes easier to manufacture and thus cheaper to the consumer.
Satellite dishes are sitting in countless backyard doing noting but blocking the sun. Nowadays, we have those cute little 18 inchers atop almost every roof in suburbia. Guess which one costs more?
Also, a person with that link shouldn't be worried about 2.1bil (even though you and I both know it was more like 1.5bil - stop inflating your own early adoption) when you're using it to make that much money each and every day with your mining fleet.
Shrug off the loss and move on.
Thank you.
Sol
The Savior of EVE https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=205546&find=unread |

Primal Neglect
The Nine Circles of Hell
5
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Posted - 2013.09.29 02:16:00 -
[38] - Quote
Please allow me to hand you this:
http://postimg.org/image/99z2l4px3/ |

Wyn Pharoh
Licentia Ex Vereor Black Core Alliance
2
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Posted - 2013.09.29 02:29:00 -
[39] - Quote
This is not the first time, nor will it be the last time, that CCP devalues any particular item. It's been very expensive for a long time, and now it isn't. I'll bet the warfare mindlinks that I paid a premium for before the last expansion have lost value with the introduction of navy mindlinks, but I don't expect CCP to reimburse me. I also never got a reimbursement for skills I trained that are no longer requirements for other skills, and judging by the Character Bazaar, skillpoints can be worth a lot of isk.
I think you expected more support from the playerbase with your OP. I suggest that you adjust your expectations. |

Tuggboat
Oneida Inc.
28
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Posted - 2013.09.29 02:59:00 -
[40] - Quote
I really think instead that anyone with one of these installed as of the change date should get an officer minlink replacemt that works 5 times as good as the current one. |
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Toshiroma McDiesel
Lupus Draconis Dragehund
166
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Posted - 2013.09.29 03:31:00 -
[41] - Quote
boernl wrote:Tippia wrote:boernl wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:So if it had made the price go up, you'd be demanding ccp take the additional value from your wallet thats bull what you write here if it goes from rare to lp item No, it's a logical consequence of your suggestion. You are asking to have your purchases adjusted after the fact if something happens to the market that alters their value for a period of time after the trade has been done. If the price goes down, you get reimbursed the additional ISK you had to pay. If the price goes you, you reimburse CCP the additional ISK you didn't pay. if it was direct market related the post woudlent have made sense but if ccp literary fucks the ppl over it does
It was CCP fixing what they did 2 years ago, I've been waiting those 2 years for the mindlink to comeback down to it's real price. That you got a case of the stupid and paid 2 bil for it, that's your problem. Now I can buy it for what it's supposed to be at, and was for most of the game. I"m not really the Evil One, I'm just his answering service. |

Toshiroma McDiesel
Lupus Draconis Dragehund
166
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Posted - 2013.09.29 03:34:00 -
[42] - Quote
Wyn Pharoh wrote:This is not the first time, nor will it be the last time, that CCP devalues any particular item. It's been very expensive for a long time, and now it isn't. .
I don't consider 2 years a long time. I"m not really the Evil One, I'm just his answering service. |

Ave Kathrina
My Ass Is On Fire
80
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Posted - 2013.09.29 03:41:00 -
[43] - Quote
boernl wrote:well you 2 both clearly miss the reason wy i made this threat
i would apreciate it if ppl dont troll in this case
Its not a threat if you don't have your war face on! I've done some really stupid **** in this game. |

boernl
L0s Zetas Brothers of Tangra
9
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Posted - 2013.09.29 08:48:00 -
[44] - Quote
Wyn Pharoh wrote:This is not the first time, nor will it be the last time, that CCP devalues any particular item. It's been very expensive for a long time, and now it isn't. I'll bet the warfare mindlinks that I paid a premium for before the last expansion have lost value with the introduction of navy mindlinks, but I don't expect CCP to reimburse me. I also never got a reimbursement for skills I trained that are no longer requirements for other skills, and judging by the Character Bazaar, skillpoints can be worth a lot of isk.
I think you expected more support from the playerbase with your OP. I suggest that you adjust your expectations.
youre correct i was hoping for more support from the playerbase but as always most of the ppl that agree simply are afraid to go public
and the ppl that do get trolled to death |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4655
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Posted - 2013.09.29 08:51:00 -
[45] - Quote
Ave Kathrina wrote:boernl wrote:well you 2 both clearly miss the reason wy i made this threat
i would apreciate it if ppl dont troll in this case Its not a threat if you don't have your war face on! Someone is realizing they were basically asking to be called out by making the thread. There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |

Turelus
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District
512
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Posted - 2013.09.29 10:43:00 -
[46] - Quote
CCP make changes which effect the prices all the time, this is what a living evolving economy looks like.
There are plenty of people who have been burnt the same way you have it will continue for ever more, if you want to try and avoid it in future keep your finger on the pulse of changes etc. #tweetfleet on twitter is a nice way to keep up with news as well as reading all Dev Blogs and patch notes.
You can actually make money off these changes as well if you're smart enough to see where the prices will change. CCP never owe anyone reimbursement outside of EULA breaks or bugs within the game taking money. Lieutenant Turelus
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
The Fourth District |

Daisai
Daisai Investments.
159
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Posted - 2013.09.29 10:50:00 -
[47] - Quote
boernl wrote:hello folks
me and i know a lot of others bought the mind link after themining barge change
at that point there was not a anouncement yet that they were going to change way they could be aquired
so i bought that thing 2.1 b
and about 2 days later they pronounce that the mind links could be bought with concorde lp
i say that they should reimburse the difference between the price we payed and the price it became
the price now is only a fraction of what is was when it was still a "rare" drop
already made a petition about this but all they simply dont care
i call this theft from the players by ccp
Thats the game, it will never change. Best thing you can do if you really don't like the way ccp handles this is by ending your subscription and play a other game. One where perhapse these situations would be handled in a bit more tactfull approach. |

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
49852
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Posted - 2013.09.29 11:41:00 -
[48] - Quote
I remember when Mining Foreman Mindlinks cost 75,000,000, if. That is all. Peter Marshall: In "Alice in Wonderland", who kept crying "I'm late, I'm late?"-á Paul Lynde: Alice, and her mother is sick about it. |

Silvetica Dian
Manson Family
106
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Posted - 2013.09.29 12:58:00 -
[49] - Quote
Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog wrote:boernl wrote:well you 2 both clearly miss the reason wy i made this threat
i would apreciate it if ppl dont troll in this case Ignore the trolls buddy, you're in the right. Everyone who ever bought one of those mindlinks is due a heavy reimbursement by CCP. In all honesty, CCP should probably reimburse every character who ever lost isk due to a market fluctuation that came about from new/altered items. Fair is fair.
yeah man. i made some stuff that should have been a profit then the prices lowered and i can't shift it expect at a loss. CCP owes me big. /end sarcasm. OP if they had made the price go up would you be insisting that they take isk from your wallet and give it to the person you bought it from so that things were fair? |

Nick Kumamoto
State Protectorate Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2013.09.29 15:38:00 -
[50] - Quote
boernl wrote:well you 2 both clearly miss the reason wy i made this threat
i would apreciate it if ppl dont troll in this case
But your entire post is troll-like. And those are the breaks in EVE. S**t happens. Man up! |
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Goldiiee
Tax and War Haven
534
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Posted - 2013.09.29 16:08:00 -
[51] - Quote
I am not sure if you were aware of the Features and Ideas Section of the forums.
If you were then you would have seen the Dev thread on Mindlinks posted over two months before the patch. In that thread they stated the intended changes to Mindlinks and it was discussed for 60 or 70 pages (Don't remember exactly). Anyone that had a Mining Mindlink immediately after reading the thread put it on the market and laughed all they way to the bank as people bought them up at, never to be seen again, prices.
Your thread is misguided, misdirected... well your anger is at the wrong person. You were scammed, by someone that read the Dev Thread and used his knowledge to make a profit off of others that don't read.
Things that keep me up at night;-á Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state,-áOnce you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another. |

Aurilen Baxtab
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2013.09.29 17:13:00 -
[52] - Quote
You make your choices and live with the consequences. Buy smart and buy only that which is worth something to you. All purchases should made with the knowledge that you will not be reimbursed. |

Xercodo
Xovoni Astronautical Manufacturing and Engineering
2560
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Posted - 2013.09.29 18:10:00 -
[53] - Quote
I'm pretty sure that the LP thing was announced, or at least I know I saw it at the bottom of that dev post when I first read those changes in F&I welllllll in advanced. Like a couple weeks I'm sure.
You just werent paying enough attention
Suck it up and shut up
You played with market speculation based on potential patch changes that could have still changed before the patch went live. You took a risk, now accept it and quit yer bitching. The Drake is a Lie |

Eggs Ackley
41
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Posted - 2013.09.29 18:21:00 -
[54] - Quote
Give me my space money!! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=264773 When you saw that you could have sold. But I am guessing you never even read it.
Old saying: "A fool and his money are soon parted." |

boernl
L0s Zetas Brothers of Tangra
9
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Posted - 2013.09.29 18:22:00 -
[55] - Quote
Goldiiee wrote:I am not sure if you were aware of the Features and Ideas Section of the forums.
If you were then you would have seen the Dev thread on Mindlinks posted over two months before the patch. In that thread they stated the intended changes to Mindlinks and it was discussed for 60 or 70 pages (Don't remember exactly). Anyone that had a Mining Mindlink immediately after reading the thread put it on the market and laughed all they way to the bank as people bought them up at, never to be seen again, prices.
Your thread is misguided, misdirected... well your anger is at the wrong person. You were scammed, by someone that read the Dev Thread and used his knowledge to make a profit off of others that don't read.
100 dreds of idears are noted
not even a fraction actualy will be implemendet |

Mra Rednu
Black Watch Guard
335
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Posted - 2013.09.29 19:47:00 -
[56] - Quote
But 60 odd page devblog should of been enough of a hint to make you wait and see though. |

Celeste Taylor
Ruby Dynasty
185
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Posted - 2013.09.29 21:01:00 -
[57] - Quote
Xercodo wrote:I'm pretty sure that the LP thing was announced, or at least I know I saw it at the bottom of that dev post when I first read those changes in F&I welllllll in advanced. Like a couple weeks I'm sure.
You just werent paying enough attention
Suck it up and shut up
You played with market speculation based on potential patch changes that could have still changed before the patch went live. You took a risk, now accept it and quit yer bitching.
Yup, it was announced so people should have sold them when they could. I think I must have sold about a dozen of these for over 1B ISK each from the Shipyard Theft mission over the years. Trading is all about the timing. I think my biggest hit came when CCP accidentally decided to sell the Excecutor Red Gold in the NeX store for a week but these things happen.
I've been telling people for the past couple months how the sleeves would drop from 1.5-2b ISK to about 500m ISK (I suspect they will stabilize at this price but could be wrong) which has recently occurred. My advice for today is to sell the Genolution 3 and 4 if you have them since they most likely will be rereleased someday and prices for them spiked (I sold my pair for over 1 billion ISK) a few days ago. |

Bethan Le Troix
Krusual Investigation Agency
5
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Posted - 2013.09.29 22:03:00 -
[58] - Quote
boernl wrote:hello folks
me and i know a lot of others bought the mind link after themining barge change
at that point there was not a anouncement yet that they were going to change way they could be aquired
so i bought that thing 2.1 b
and about 2 days later they pronounce that the mind links could be bought with concorde lp
i say that they should reimburse the difference between the price we payed and the price it became
the price now is only a fraction of what is was when it was still a "rare" drop
already made a petition about this but all they simply dont care
i call this theft from the players by ccp
The price and availability changes for all the mindlinks including the mining one has no connection with the 'rebalancing' of the mining vessels. I also agree with many others that you do not have a right to a refund due to this change.
On the other hand I do feel that it was a bad idea for the price of the mindlinks to drop by so much. In particular for the mining mindlink to drop from approx. 1.6 billion ISK (I don't know where you got the 2.1 billion price from!) to as little as 86 million ISK on the markets. We have heard virtually nothing from Dr Eyjo since Fanfest earlier this year and with the QEN no longer being released we are in the dark as to how the economy is being managed. If I didn't know different I would say prices, except for the 'extra materials' factor, were being driven down by CCP to enable more PLEX to be bought with RL money.
My associates still wonder if any thought was put into whether dropping the price and increasing the availability of mining mindlinks would have a detrimental effect on the market and specifically to the mining community. It is probable this has been done to enable stopping use of Rorqual within POS shields ie to lessen the cost of Rorqual pilots being podded. I'm not sure there is any other reason to have made this change. |

Bethan Le Troix
Krusual Investigation Agency
5
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Posted - 2013.09.29 22:08:00 -
[59] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:I remember when Mining Foreman Mindlinks cost 75,000,000, if. That is all.
I haven't looked but you may be able to buy them for that now sadly. |

Estella Osoka
Deep Void Merc Syndicate Sicarius Draconis
140
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Posted - 2013.09.29 22:18:00 -
[60] - Quote
boernl wrote:Goldiiee wrote:I am not sure if you were aware of the Features and Ideas Section of the forums.
If you were then you would have seen the Dev thread on Mindlinks posted over two months before the patch. In that thread they stated the intended changes to Mindlinks and it was discussed for 60 or 70 pages (Don't remember exactly). Anyone that had a Mining Mindlink immediately after reading the thread put it on the market and laughed all they way to the bank as people bought them up at, never to be seen again, prices.
Your thread is misguided, misdirected... well your anger is at the wrong person. You were scammed, by someone that read the Dev Thread and used his knowledge to make a profit off of others that don't read. 100 dreds of idears are noted not even a fraction actualy will be implemendet
It wasn't an idea. It was an actual DEV blog of an upcoming change. If you did not take it as gospel that it was going to happen, then you must be trolling. |
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Tim Celebros
Tacocorporation
1
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Posted - 2013.09.29 22:39:00 -
[61] - Quote
I had been watching the price of these implants almost daily since April because I was ready to purchase one, at no point in the last year was the average at or close to 2.1bil. On top of that, I watched CCP announce the plans to change the availability of these implants, and with joy I raced to the market place to see how much these implants dropped from the announcement! And with disappointment, I noticed they were being sold for maybe 100mil less then the previous week. After a couple weeks went by the prices still sat pretty consistently at 1.1bil. Hell, even the night before odyssey 1.1, they were still selling for 900mil.
So to me, this appears as a trolling attempt or you are trying to cover up a poor market call by blaming the patch. But don't try to defend your position by asking for a couple of weeks to sell off your assets when you had a month between the announcement of the changes to mind links and when odyssey 1.1 landed. |

To Be Me
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2013.09.30 00:52:00 -
[62] - Quote
Lol
Just like everyother thing they change with patches and expansions.
If you rather play a static game ... Heres pokemon 2. |

Shederov Blood
Wrecketeers
485
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Posted - 2013.09.30 01:31:00 -
[63] - Quote
Celeste Taylor wrote:I think my biggest hit came when CCP accidentally decided to sell the Excecutor Red Gold in the NeX store for a week but these things happen. You mean that thing that was worth over 200mil, and I got to buy it for under 50?  |

Hypercake Mix
Magical Rainbow Bakery
94
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Posted - 2013.09.30 02:22:00 -
[64] - Quote
Look at the bright side. When you get podded, replacing it will cost you less than 50 mil! Even better, the killer won't be able to gloat over a 2bil+ pod kill! |

Khoul Ay'd
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
94
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Posted - 2013.09.30 03:10:00 -
[65] - Quote
boernl wrote:....but instead they let the price go skyhigh and than they change it...
Dude, EVE has a player driven market, not GM managed one. So by extension....if anyone owes you iskies we do. I suggest you hire some mercs to do some isk reallocation services for you... The things we do today we must live with forever.... Think about it |

Sh0plifter
Underworld Initiative
16
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Posted - 2013.09.30 03:18:00 -
[66] - Quote
boernl wrote:hello folks
me and i know a lot of others bought the mind link after themining barge change
at that point there was not a anouncement yet that they were going to change way they could be aquired
so i bought that thing 2.1 b
and about 2 days later they pronounce that the mind links could be bought with concorde lp
i say that they should reimburse the difference between the price we payed and the price it became
the price now is only a fraction of what is was when it was still a "rare" drop
already made a petition about this but all they simply dont care
i call this theft from the players by ccp
I remember when I lost my first slave set. I cried many tears and wanted reimbursement but, not just reimbursement. I wanted justice as well.
I feel for you, I truely do..
Thanks for supporting every marketeer in their efforts to dump the stock before it plummets. You have helped me gain my slave set back, as well as probably my fund half my pvp ships. =D
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4659
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Posted - 2013.09.30 05:26:00 -
[67] - Quote
slave sets...
the stuff of legends. slaves There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |

Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises
2536
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Posted - 2013.09.30 05:32:00 -
[68] - Quote
I lolled.
Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk! |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4659
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Posted - 2013.09.30 05:41:00 -
[69] - Quote
Made it a lot cheaper to get my orca boosting character set up :) There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |

Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn
Department 10
50
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Posted - 2013.09.30 17:40:00 -
[70] - Quote
Tim Celebros wrote:I had been watching the price of these implants almost daily since April because I was ready to purchase one, at no point in the last year was the average at or close to 2.1bil. On top of that, I watched CCP announce the plans to change the availability of these implants, and with joy I raced to the market place to see how much these implants dropped from the announcement! And with disappointment, I noticed they were being sold for maybe 100mil less then the previous week. After a couple weeks went by the prices still sat pretty consistently at 1.1bil. Hell, even the night before odyssey 1.1, they were still selling for 900mil.
So to me, this appears as a trolling attempt or you are trying to cover up a poor market call by blaming the patch. But don't try to defend your position by asking for a couple of weeks to sell off your assets when you had a month between the announcement of the changes to mind links and when odyssey 1.1 landed.
I don't know where you are looking. Mining mindlinks are being sold in the trade hubs for under 100 million now. |
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Caviar Liberta
Moira. Villore Accords
180
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Posted - 2013.09.30 18:00:00 -
[71] - Quote
Forget the mindlinks, I want the potential passive income I didn't make over the last year and a half. I was making top tier items with planetary interaction. Then they changed how PI worked and added those pesky poco's.
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Gypsio III
Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
876
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Posted - 2013.10.01 11:19:00 -
[72] - Quote
Before the HAC changes, I stockpiled about 50 cheap Eagles, which I then sold for a hefty profit after the Eagle got made non-useless and the price shot up.
I demand that I reimburse CCP for the ISK I made after the price changed! Even though CCP didn't set the price and I didn't buy or sell to CCP but other players... erm...
Also, I demand that CCP don't fix the Succubus, Worm or Phantasm, to prevent this happening again in the future. In fact, don't change the market price of anything, ever again. |

Bing Bangboom
DAMAG Safety Commission
185
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Posted - 2013.10.01 20:45:00 -
[73] - Quote
I just checked. The OP doesn't have a mining permit so, when he eventually loses his ship and pod to New Order enforcement it will all the cheaper for him to get his chrome re-domed.
There, I just made lemonaide for you.
BBB
So much for our little scheme of selling the mind links and then tracking down the buyers for wonderful pod killmails. |
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