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TharOkha
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Posted - 2013.09.29 06:11:00 -
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"I'm sorry, but Interdiction Nullified ships are generally a BAD thing (i.e. too safe). Furthermore, giving Nullified to fast aligning interceptors is over-the-line, unless the Nullifier mechanics are revised. "
so in other words. You want always win at gatecamps, right?
also frigate with nullifies? HINT: more smartbombs
I hate those lazy gatecamping pilots who think that they should catch EVERY SINGLE SHIP during their elite pvp actions.
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TharOkha
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Posted - 2013.09.29 06:51:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:TharOkha wrote:"I'm sorry, but Interdiction Nullified ships are generally a BAD thing (i.e. too safe). Furthermore, giving Nullified to fast aligning interceptors is over-the-line, unless the Nullifier mechanics are revised. "
so in other words. You want always win at gatecamps, right?
also frigate with nullifies? HINT: more smartbombs
I hate those lazy gatecamping pilots who think that they should catch EVERY SINGLE SHIP during their elite pvp actions. What about the lazy pilots who think they should be able to avoid every gatecamp?
Speaking of laziness, a good gatecamp can catch nullified cloaked ships too
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TharOkha
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Posted - 2013.09.29 07:02:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:TharOkha wrote:baltec1 wrote:TharOkha wrote:"I'm sorry, but Interdiction Nullified ships are generally a BAD thing (i.e. too safe). Furthermore, giving Nullified to fast aligning interceptors is over-the-line, unless the Nullifier mechanics are revised. "
so in other words. You want always win at gatecamps, right?
also frigate with nullifies? HINT: more smartbombs
I hate those lazy gatecamping pilots who think that they should catch EVERY SINGLE SHIP during their elite pvp actions. What about the lazy pilots who think they should be able to avoid every gatecamp? Speaking of laziness, a good gatecamp can catch nullified cloaked ships too Only the bad ones.
So? there are good pilots of nullified cloaky ships and there are the bad ones. Why are you demanding to catch EVERY single ship? Dont you think that this is exactly " I WANT ALWAYS WIN" button?!
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TharOkha
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Posted - 2013.09.29 07:22:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:TharOkha wrote:
So? there are good pilots of nullified cloaky ships and there are the bad ones. Why are you demanding to catch EVERY single ship? Dont you think that this is exactly " I WANT ALWAYS WIN" button?!
The issue is that a even a sloppy cloaky nullified pilot is impossible to stop. A cov ops pilot stands a chance of being caught even if they are very good. Cloaky Nulli ships are just too effective at avoiding every kind of blocade.
Can you be more specific? I was in several nullsec gatecamps and a lot of nullified T3s were killed. Agile covops were killed by smartbombs. I dont see a point in this outrage for nullified ceptors. Disco BSes can deal with them easily.
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TharOkha
0asis Group
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Posted - 2013.09.29 07:36:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:TharOkha wrote:baltec1 wrote:TharOkha wrote:
So? there are good pilots of nullified cloaky ships and there are the bad ones. Why are you demanding to catch EVERY single ship? Dont you think that this is exactly " I WANT ALWAYS WIN" button?!
The issue is that a even a sloppy cloaky nullified pilot is impossible to stop. A cov ops pilot stands a chance of being caught even if they are very good. Cloaky Nulli ships are just too effective at avoiding every kind of blocade. Can you be more specific? I was in several nullsec gatecamps and a lot of nullified T3s were killed. Agile covops were killed by smartbombs. I dont see a point in this outrage for nullified ceptors. Disco BSes can deal with them easily. You would need a large fleet of disco domi to cover a regional gate. As for the T3, you must be finding the dumbest T3 pilots in the galaxy.
Yes and that's exactly my point. There are bad pilots and there are good pilots. The bad ones should be your prey, the good ones should have a chance to pass by. if you want to catch them you need more effort, like large fleet of disco BS. But please dont demand to catch every single ship. You can count claky nullified ships in EVE by fingers of one hand, they are not majority ships and also they are lacking in dps and above all they are not invulnerable, they are just hard to catch. Null sec is already empty (besides station and outpost systems) By removing or nerfing nullified ships, you will make it even more emptier.
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TharOkha
0asis Group
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Posted - 2013.09.29 07:42:00 -
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Gogela wrote: Blockade runners can't be caught in lowsec. 
Check out the Rancer and Negative Ten KB and you will find that BRs are not so "uncatchable".
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TharOkha
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Posted - 2013.09.29 09:15:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:QQ we can't make our systems safe with bubbles alone. Cry some more.
For some reason cloaky nullified T3's die to remote seboed camps in lowsec often enough. Maybe because the locals adapted?
This is an excelent point. Sorry baltec but your statements are just vague. Your "uncatcheable skilled T3s pilots" are catcheable. There are already tools for that. I saw many t3s that have been killed in lowsec gatecamps. They are using trash around the gates (like wrecks, cans, probes or simply orbiting drones) so cloaky ships cannot cloak during align. They are using smartbombs to decloak aligning ship or they are using remote sensor boosted ships so they can lock ships almost instantly. And guess what. They cannot use bubbles. And if you have trouble to catch t3 pilots with excelent flying skills then you just need gatecamp with excelent pilots and gatecamp setup also. Not just sloppy pilots and buble with "Turn ON" button.
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TharOkha
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Posted - 2013.09.29 10:02:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:
Your entire argument revolves around bad players being terrible at flying T3s therefore its fine.
Did you read my post or are you just ignoring the fact that i already wrote how to catch skilled t3 pilots?
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TharOkha
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Posted - 2013.09.29 19:16:00 -
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Bagrat Skalski wrote:Onyx Nyx wrote:baltec1 wrote:Malcanis wrote:What are "carebears" doing in Interceptors anyway? Low volume high value cargo. PLEX, titan skillbooks, a collection of pricy t2 bpos? Disco domi?
Dont bother. baltec has already mentioned that this tactic is "too difficult" because you need many pilots to do it right. All they want is just a couple of dps ships and bubles with "turn on" button. Thats the only valid way of catching skilled pilots for them. 
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TharOkha
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Posted - 2013.09.29 19:22:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:
Well I could go into how using his tactics is walking a very fine line as CCP do ban people for it. Hence why we do not use that tactic anymore and havent for years.
I have seen so many gatecamps using this tactics (trash around gates so cloaky cannot cloak) lately that i doubt that this is bannable anymore. But okay ill take your point and lets just say that its bannable. But what about disco gatecamps? As far as i know it is valid and legal tactics. And with such tactics you are able to decloak t3/blocade runner or instakill nullified ceptor/covop.
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TharOkha
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Posted - 2013.09.30 05:51:00 -
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Operative X10-4 wrote:TharOkha wrote:baltec1 wrote:
Well I could go into how using his tactics is walking a very fine line as CCP do ban people for it. Hence why we do not use that tactic anymore and havent for years.
I have seen so many gatecamps using this tactics (trash around gates so cloaky cannot cloak) lately that i doubt that this is bannable anymore. But okay ill take your point and lets just say that its bannable. But my other proposition was disco gatecamps. As far as i know it is valid and legal tactics. And with such tactics you are able to decloak t3/blocade runner or instakill nullified ceptor/covop. Yes trash cans around gate is a bannable tactic depending on how many cans you drop around it, Our guys were reported some months ago because of that. To this tactics be efefctive you have to drop lots of cans hundreds... An interdiction nullifier ceptor is a bad move and i'm not even talking about people using it to haul some expensive small cargo around, thats one point I mentioned before.... think about it... people use ceptors as intel to check enemys fleets in nul sec and they are very usefull in doing this the way it is right now, giving the ability to zip throught bubbles/interdictors means that you cant ever stop an enemy fleet to get intel about your fleet composition. Thats dumbing down eve gameplay. Should we instead of trying to hide our fleet composition to have an upper hand in combat, just convo our enemys and say: Hello, we have x BS, x Logis and whatevar, what do you have? lets pew pew?... Seriously. -.- We alredy have those T3 nullifiers almost imune to any blockade, but at least they are expensive 500M a cheap fitted one, and any mistake is a huge loss, but cheap throw away tackles? no way man. I dont even consider those who says that this new feature will help the high sec players to reach null sec and increase the number of the population there... thats a joke, if you'r afraid to sit on a t1 frigate fitted and go to nulls, because of the "huge loss" you will have if you fall into a gate camp.. seriously wtf!.. hello kitty online is waiting for you, and not even a magic T7000 super powar ship with nullifier and toons of warp core stablizers will make you create ballz to fly in a 0.0 enviroment.
Okay you have made your point. But what surprises me is a fact that (not just) you is telling this as if only your enemy could use null ceptors. SUPRISE. Even your corp/alliance will be able to use it as well.
Yes T3 cov/null is expensive (500M +) but it has also a lot more HP. You cannot pop T3 with several smartbombs but definitely you can pop low HP ceptor. So yes, nullceptors would be used as cheap throw away intel ships but they will be easy to kill if you set up your gatecamp correctly.
Just be prepared that smartbombs should be used more in gatecamps. And i think it is good, because while to fly nullified cloaked T3 demand some skills (perfect timing for aligment/warp + cloak) gatecamps nullsec does not need any skills. Just turn on bubble and wait and you will certainly catch almost everything.
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TharOkha
0asis Group
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Posted - 2013.09.30 09:03:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:TharOkha wrote:
What surprises me is a fact that (not just) you is telling this as if only your enemy could use null ceptors. SUPRISE. Even your corp/alliance will be able to use it as well.
And yet here we are saying its a bad thing. Getting intel even easier with a system that is almost idiot proof is not something we want, dispite the fact it would make our lives even easier.
Well and all i am saying is that this "getting intel easier" case will prevail only if you dont change gatecamp tactics.
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