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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.28 15:05:00 -
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Robyn Minahi wrote:Quote:I am able to leftclick on a sqare in space, hit my F-Buttons and I'm listening to the coolest Ts3-channels with the most badass guys. This makes me #EVE-Elite-NoCareBear-TruePLayer Ps.: Lol Carebears, you ruin the game ;(( L2p the real way!! I NEVER paid for eve, just killin and ridin and lootin and laughing at ALODS on mittani I am the 2% Hmm..
Try drone assist :) There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |

Infinity Ziona
Hot Drop Buns
445
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Posted - 2013.09.28 15:13:00 -
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Rhivre wrote:As a solo high seccer...
1) I am not new enough to the game to think every high sec Planet will have a POCO with stupid taxes 2) Soloing in highsec is just as viable as it has been before, although, I keep hearing that industry, trading and missions and mining are not viable anymore, I guess I just log into the wrong game every day.
They're viable if you like making crappy isk.
I ran 3 sites the other day in null sec (combat sites):
1. Serp Base - Kill 10 dessie cruiser mix, then kill 1 very likely faction BS spawn or a structure that has about 1000hp for escalation. I got a SS Tracking Computer + Escalation. Time: 5 minutes. Profit: 240 million.
2. Escalation Site: Lots of ships but all you do is kill the Faction BS spawn at warp in for escalation and possible loot. I got a SS Remote Tracking Computer. Time: 20 seconds: Profit 80 million.
3. Serpentis Prison: Heaps of ships, lots of 1 million isk BS. Have to kill them all. 4th room very likely faction BS Spawn. I got a couple of SS armor hardeners not worth much. Last room crazy amount of ships. Great bounties. Soloable. Structure with chance to drop Core X-Type modules and Vindicator BP + always 21 Tier Overseers Effects. I got unlucky and a Goon squad showed up and claim they got a Vindi BPC. Me: about 70 million in loot and bounties. Them 1 billion 70 Million in Vindi and Effects. Time: 1 hour.
So that ended up being:
1 hour 5 minutes: 520 million in loot and bounties if Goons lied. If Goons were telling the truth then 1,520 million in loot and bounties.
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Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
527
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Posted - 2013.09.28 15:17:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Plastic Psycho wrote:Murk Paradox wrote:Isn't npc tax on pocos higher than what a player can set? Well, a player can set range of tax as high or low as they like. NPC tax is higher than any sane Player would set. Unless they *want* to inspire a good bashing. So... structure shooting  Well, extortion to get favorable rates would probably be sufficient. Just pose a credible threat, and most will see the light. CCP, debuff Barges, or buff Ganking. Either will do for me, but we need more Yaaar! in this game lest it become WoW in Spaaaaace! -á~ Me |
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
439

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Posted - 2013.09.28 15:52:00 -
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I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. As always I let some edge cases stay. Please people, keep it on topic and above all civil!
The rules: 2. Be respectful toward others at all times.
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Commonly known as flaming, personal attacks are posts that are designed to personally berate or insult another forum user. Posts of this nature are not beneficial to the community spirit that CCP promote and as such they will not be tolerated.
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Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote.
ISD Ezwal Lt. Commander Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4651
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Posted - 2013.09.28 15:54:00 -
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Plastic Psycho wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Plastic Psycho wrote:Murk Paradox wrote:Isn't npc tax on pocos higher than what a player can set? Well, a player can set range of tax as high or low as they like. NPC tax is higher than any sane Player would set. Unless they *want* to inspire a good bashing. So... structure shooting  Well, extortion to get favorable rates would probably be sufficient. Just pose a credible threat, and most will see the light. So... threatening to shoot structures  There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |

Eggs Ackley
37
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Posted - 2013.09.28 17:07:00 -
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Antaria Wildsun wrote:I have about a dozen or so POCO's in wormholes that I no longer inhabit. I set the taxes at a reasonable tax rate, and as far as I recall, almost all of them are being used. Why? because the taxes are so low that it is not worth the effort to destroy and replace them. This is what you will largely see when the HS ones become active.
There are way to many planets to make monopolies out of this, it just isn't going to happen. The biggest impact will be that HS factory planets will be a bit more profitable, and because of that, lower end PI mats might come up in price a little bit.
This
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Captain Tardbar
Sons of Sam
530
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Posted - 2013.09.28 19:57:00 -
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I think people who charge more than the NPC's will get blown up. I don't make much money on my PI, but I think I'd put forth enough effort to negotiate reasonable prices. Either with my friends who are bored and want something to shoot or hire mercs to do it for me. Sure I'll probaly won't make any money on it, but its a matter of principal.
Either charge reasonable taxes or get blown up. "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1022
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Posted - 2013.09.28 20:23:00 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote:I think people who charge more than the NPC's will get blown up. I don't make much money on my PI, but I think I'd put forth enough effort to negotiate reasonable prices. Either with my friends who are bored and want something to shoot or hire mercs to do it for me. Sure I'll probaly won't make any money on it, but its a matter of principal.
Either charge reasonable taxes or get blown up.
Not that simple if you ask me. If "they", being the people who might choose unreasonable tax prices, can keep the poco up, or reliably kill people who try to shoot it, it might get to be the law of the land. I suspect we have a land grab pretty early on in the expansion, which will disrupt PI output in general for a little while in some places.
Denial of assets is still a fairly worthwhile goal nowadays, so simply having high PI taxes on your alliance's local pocos to discourage competition with you would be a worthwhile market strategy. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |

Captain Tardbar
Sons of Sam
530
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Posted - 2013.09.28 20:29:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Captain Tardbar wrote:I think people who charge more than the NPC's will get blown up. I don't make much money on my PI, but I think I'd put forth enough effort to negotiate reasonable prices. Either with my friends who are bored and want something to shoot or hire mercs to do it for me. Sure I'll probaly won't make any money on it, but its a matter of principal.
Either charge reasonable taxes or get blown up. Not that simple if you ask me. If "they", being the people who might choose unreasonable tax prices, can keep the poco up, or reliably kill people who try to shoot it, it might get to be the law of the land. I suspect we have a land grab pretty early on in the expansion, which will disrupt PI output in general for a little while in some places. Denial of assets is still a fairly worthwhile goal nowadays, so simply having high PI taxes on your alliance's local pocos to discourage competition with you would be a worthwhile market strategy.
Well I think the goal of CCP these days is to try to increase as much conflict as possible which they are successfully doing this by implementing these changes.
Personally, I don't mind the extra conflict. My efforts may or may not actually acheive in getting the people who own the POCO's to lower their taxes, but if good fights are had in the process then I am all for it.
Hell, I might be the one putting the POCO up and getting people together to defend them. "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. |

Sol Weinstein
Lunatic Warfare Federation
104
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Posted - 2013.09.28 20:34:00 -
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Rhyonda Mcklenn wrote:Athelas Loraiel wrote:if you PI in high sec, you must be doing it wrong. Naw, I'm aware of the differences. Its a question of time. Don't have the time for low/wh/null or pvp. I've seen the PI strangulation that goes on with capturable customs. No thanks. I just don't see the point of CCP doing stuff like this. How does it make the game better? It certainly makes it worse for a casual who only has a couple hours each week.
Sorry dude. This is not a "lunch hour" game.
Why would you expect to make even a remotely similar profit as a casual player compared to a player who puts more time into the game? It's not the other player's fault that he has more time than you, is it? Then why should it be that a player who invests more into the game gets as much as you would?
This is not a debate as to WHY you have less time or WHY others have more time. Assuming your reason is "real life job", should an employee of your company who is part time get the same or even close amounts of pay and incentives that you do? I'm pretty sure you'd whine (like you're doing here) to your employer if that were the case. In fact, I know you would...
How about your "girlfriend"? Let's say you have one. You invest time and effort winning her over. You do all the right things and make a wonderful relationship with her. Providing not only the physical support she needs, but the emotional and day-to-day and long term needs in order to make a commitment and be content. Do you think it would be fair for some hunk-a-licious guy like me to stroll by in my fancy clothes, grab your girl's hand and lead her to my sex-on-wheels car and whisk her off to my beachfront home? No. You wouldn't.
I, for one, am getting sick of this type of mentality in players and even worse, the developers of games. I play EVE because it is NOT a "lunch hour" game. It saddens me to see the whiny Gold Star Attitude that players have adopted. And it makes it worse when the Devs cater to that horrible mentality, all for the sake of business (read: profit). Not realizing that a short and large influx of cash does not measure up to a long term steady and growing stream of income. Income over time > immediate profit.
Now, you CAN make the game (or your job or your relationships) into your preferred style if you think it out. And, that takes time. But expecting to just have that opportunity handed to you is unintelligent, unwise, childish, and immature on your part. Go ahead. Ask your "girlfriend". Ask her which she would prefer given an intelligent discussion and weighing the pros and cons of a wonderful weekend with me, which would result in a kick-to-the-curb after I got sick of her, or her walking out after I told her I have no long term plans for her, which she would REALLY like.
Stop this "lunch hour" mentality. This is not the style of this game. EVE is very similar to a 4X game that actually takes place in real time. Over months and years. And, you cannot spam "next turn" to get you to where you want.
There are other games that might meet your needs. I will not tell you which ones. I don't want to take the fun away from you.
EVE. Adapt to it. We will not adapt to you.
You're lucky that some changes have been implemented to allow a more relaxed style of player to take part in the wonderful adventure this game provides. However, if you're truly a casual gamer, you should look into console games. Consoles are designed directly for casual gamers.
Thank you,
Sol
The Savior of EVE https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=205546&find=unread |
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Kuseka Adama
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
12
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Posted - 2013.09.28 20:38:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Lfod Shi wrote:Sounds like a universe ripe for tax rebellion to me.
AKA: CCP is trying to get you to fight for what you want. And that never works, because the kind of people who can't be bothered to risk useless pixels outside of hi-sec aren't the type of players who will fight IN hi-sec for anything. It's just not in their nature. How anyone can be so feeble as to let people own them that much in a video game without even a token fight is beyond my ability to understand.
Take a look at the united states right now
They're tolerating a hell of a lot more than their founding fathers did without a fight. It happens when you're indoctrinated into such beliefs. |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1022
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Posted - 2013.09.28 20:38:00 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Captain Tardbar wrote:I think people who charge more than the NPC's will get blown up. I don't make much money on my PI, but I think I'd put forth enough effort to negotiate reasonable prices. Either with my friends who are bored and want something to shoot or hire mercs to do it for me. Sure I'll probaly won't make any money on it, but its a matter of principal.
Either charge reasonable taxes or get blown up. Not that simple if you ask me. If "they", being the people who might choose unreasonable tax prices, can keep the poco up, or reliably kill people who try to shoot it, it might get to be the law of the land. I suspect we have a land grab pretty early on in the expansion, which will disrupt PI output in general for a little while in some places. Denial of assets is still a fairly worthwhile goal nowadays, so simply having high PI taxes on your alliance's local pocos to discourage competition with you would be a worthwhile market strategy. Well I think the goal of CCP these days is to try to increase as much conflict as possible which they are successfully doing this by implementing these changes. Personally, I don't mind the extra conflict. My efforts may or may not actually acheive in getting the people who own the POCO's to lower their taxes, but if good fights are had in the process then I am all for it. Hell, I might be the one putting the POCO up and getting people together to defend them.
Agreed, certainly. I can't wait for the customs wars. It's about time highsec got shook up some. Plus the kind of fights that will invariably erupt from pos theft will also be fun. Let all the stuff be prepared to explode! Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |

Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
533
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Posted - 2013.10.01 17:19:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Plastic Psycho wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:So... structure shooting  Well, extortion to get favorable rates would probably be sufficient. Just pose a credible threat, and most will see the light. So... threatening to shoot structures  Well, yes.
Sol Weinstein wrote: Sorry dude. This is not a "lunch hour" game.
It can be, if you're willing to live in the fringes. OTOH, If you wish to be mighty, you'd better be prepared to invest time. CCP, debuff Barges, or buff Ganking. Either will do for me, but we need more Yaaar! in this game lest it become WoW in Spaaaaace! -á~ Me |

RomeStar
Empire Investments Logistics
295
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Posted - 2013.10.01 17:23:00 -
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Radelix Cisko wrote:
I hear level IV missions still pay out well.
Dont worry they will fix that soon also. Hopefully soon there will be nothing left to do in highsec which will either push all players to low/null/wh or they will leave the game. Sounds like a Win Win imo. Signatured removed, CCP Phantom |

Guttripper
State War Academy Caldari State
356
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Posted - 2013.10.01 17:30:00 -
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Didn't George Lucas ruin the Star Wars franchise by having the first movie of the second trilogy deal with taxation and all that crap...? |

March rabbit
epTa Team Inc.
789
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Posted - 2013.10.01 17:50:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:Some day, lots of casual players might realise that they are only welcome because they make great targets... it's really sad that you NEED "casual players... because they make great targets" .
because real players don't need weak to be good |

Rhes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
342
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Posted - 2013.10.01 17:52:00 -
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RomeStar wrote:Radelix Cisko wrote:
I hear level IV missions still pay out well.
Dont worry they will fix that soon also. Hopefully soon there will be nothing left to do in highsec which will either push all players to low/null/wh or they will leave the game. Sounds like a Win Win imo.
Level 1 and Level 2 missions should be in highsec
Level 3 missions should be in lowsec
Level 4 and Level 5 missions should be in NPC null.
CSM make it happen.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1051
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Posted - 2013.10.01 17:53:00 -
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March rabbit wrote:Solstice Project wrote:Some day, lots of casual players might realise that they are only welcome because they make great targets... it's really sad that you NEED "casual players... because they make great targets" . because real pvpers don't need weak targets to be good
Same reason fast food is popular. It's not that people who eat at Burger King are incapable of cooking, it's just that Burger King is easier. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |

March rabbit
epTa Team Inc.
789
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Posted - 2013.10.01 17:55:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:March rabbit wrote:Solstice Project wrote:Some day, lots of casual players might realise that they are only welcome because they make great targets... it's really sad that you NEED "casual players... because they make great targets" . because real pvpers don't need weak targets to be good Same reason fast food is popular. It's not that people who eat at Burger King are incapable of cooking, it's just that Burger King is easier. i don't use fast food. you know why? because i know the thing "taste of food". Knowing this thing you will never prefer some fast-food crap over normal food.
The same with Eve and pvp. |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1051
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Posted - 2013.10.01 17:56:00 -
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March rabbit wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:March rabbit wrote:Solstice Project wrote:Some day, lots of casual players might realise that they are only welcome because they make great targets... it's really sad that you NEED "casual players... because they make great targets" . because real pvpers don't need weak targets to be good Same reason fast food is popular. It's not that people who eat at Burger King are incapable of cooking, it's just that Burger King is easier. i don't use fast food. you know why? because i know the thing "taste of food". Knowing this thing you will never prefer some fast-food crap over normal food. The same with Eve and pvp.
Meh. When you have to eat, and you don't have time to grill up a steak, a burger will do when you're hungry. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
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Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
1271
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Posted - 2013.10.01 17:57:00 -
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Rhes wrote: Level 1 and Level 2 missions should be in highsec
Level 3 missions should be in lowsec
Level 4 and Level 5 missions should be in NPC null.
CSM make it happen.
Stage 3c of Operation Kill Hisec is already underway. Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal |

John XIII
Red Galaxy SpaceMonkey's Alliance
17
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Posted - 2013.10.01 18:04:00 -
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Siege fleet forevah!
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Desivo Delta Visseroff
Cedar Knolls Research STEEL BROTHERHOOD
36
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Posted - 2013.10.01 18:30:00 -
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Does anyone know if the notifications are tied to reinforcement of to just attacking the new POCOs? And will sitting on top of one with a smart bomb get me Concorded if nothing else is around?  |

Matokin Lemant
3
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Posted - 2013.10.01 18:37:00 -
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Radelix Cisko wrote:First they made the tier BC's for better ganking miners I said nothing cause I didn't mine.
Then they changed exploration and pushed more of it to lowsec I said nothing cause I could move on
They are taking away our poco's and I can't say anything cause I refuse to fight for my income.
I hear level IV missions still pay out well.
Well for now the will...until CCP nerfs them to.
I dont know why CCP dont just get it over with and make the whole f ' ing game low sec because that is the direction they want and are slowly headed |

Matokin Lemant
3
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Posted - 2013.10.01 18:42:00 -
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Large Collidable Object wrote:Competition between your future landlords should lead to acceptable taxes. If people 'overtax' their clients, they will move on to greener pastures or cease doing PI until prices for planetary goods rise enough to make it worthwhile again.
uh no they wont...some mega alliance will move in and set up there customs offices tax the crap out of everyone else but there own blues. And being so big they would have the man power to fight off anyone who tries to attack them. Ya it may make for some interesting fights but it will kill PI mark my words. |

Roime
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
3528
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Posted - 2013.10.01 18:42:00 -
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Hi dear hiseccers
POCOs have lower tax rates than Interbus pocos on average
have a nice day
Seriously,we won't be bringing back the old unique ships for events. We might give other stuff away that is interesting, but no Guardian Vexor, Opux Luxury Yacht, Fedthron, Impoc, SIR, etc, etc.-á |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1051
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Posted - 2013.10.01 18:43:00 -
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Matokin Lemant wrote:Large Collidable Object wrote:Competition between your future landlords should lead to acceptable taxes. If people 'overtax' their clients, they will move on to greener pastures or cease doing PI until prices for planetary goods rise enough to make it worthwhile again. uh no they wont...some mega alliance will move in and set up there customs offices tax the crap out of everyone else but there own blues. And being so big they would have the man power to fight off anyone who tries to attack them. Ya it may make for some interesting fights but it will kill PI mark my words.
It might kill PI for you.
It would significantly improve it for them. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |

Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
535
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Posted - 2013.10.01 18:53:00 -
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Desivo Delta Visseroff wrote:Does anyone know if the notifications are tied to reinforcement of to just attacking the new POCOs? And will sitting on top of one with a smart bomb get me Concorded if nothing else is around?  Old structures notified as soon as they come under fire. See no reason the new ones will be any different. CCP, debuff Barges, or buff Ganking. Either will do for me, but we need more Yaaar! in this game lest it become WoW in Spaaaaace! -á~ Me |

Desivo Delta Visseroff
Cedar Knolls Research STEEL BROTHERHOOD
36
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Posted - 2013.10.01 19:00:00 -
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Plastic Psycho wrote:Desivo Delta Visseroff wrote:Does anyone know if the notifications are tied to reinforcement of to just attacking the new POCOs? And will sitting on top of one with a smart bomb get me Concorded if nothing else is around?  Old structures notified as soon as they come under fire. See no reason the new ones will be any different.
If so, Fantastic! I'll spend many an hour jumping from system to system. Potshotting POCOs and driving the many PI Corps into a frenzy.
There's something satisfying about poking a wasp's nest and watching the havoc ensue. |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1052
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Posted - 2013.10.01 19:05:00 -
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Desivo Delta Visseroff wrote:Plastic Psycho wrote:Desivo Delta Visseroff wrote:Does anyone know if the notifications are tied to reinforcement of to just attacking the new POCOs? And will sitting on top of one with a smart bomb get me Concorded if nothing else is around?  Old structures notified as soon as they come under fire. See no reason the new ones will be any different. If so, Fantastic! I'll spend many an hour jumping from system to system. Potshotting POCOs and driving the many PI Corps into a frenzy. There's something satisfying about poking a wasp's nest and watching the havoc ensue.
Moreso if you have a cloaking device, several safes probed out ahead of time, and are good at smack talking in local.
This will be afk cloaking all over again.  Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
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