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Rattatakla
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.09.28 15:05:00 -
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I have been told by my friends not to go caldari for the reason that they "are ****". I dont really want to believe that, but yet again I want to fly missile boats for incrusions which I also heard arent prefered. I also cant decide on whether or not i want to fly minmatar or caldari, can someone give me advice?
Note: I want to do incursions with both races. |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.09.28 15:51:00 -
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missiles are indeed not a good choice for incursions. the reason is that things often die whiles your missiles are stil flying, thus wasting your damage. that said, for almost every other purpose missiles are absolutely fine. also, take a look at the nightmare. it is a good incursion ship and you need caldari and amarr battleship kills for it.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
vexille Solette
Of The Night
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Posted - 2013.09.28 15:55:00 -
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Caldari are not bad. The notion of caldari being bad comes from the notion that missiles are bad in pvp. But they are not. They have pros and cons like everything else but I'f you learn them you can prosper.
If you want to fly missile ships go caldari you have more options. Later on you can train fairly quickly for the minmatat missile boats. Dont neglect your drone skills eithet get t2 mediums to take care of smaller ships.
I don't do incursions much. But I don't see why missiles would be worse. Unless there is some alpha maelstrom fleet to blitz them.
Over all fly what you like. Status quo changes rapidly in eve. Who knows next expansion missiles could be wtf pwn machines.
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Winter Archipelago
Autumn Industrial Enterprises
105
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Posted - 2013.09.28 16:12:00 -
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You will probably never get into a decent incursion group running a missile ship, simply because things tend to die before your first volley hits them. Missiles are unique in that they take time to hit a target, whereas all other weapons systems deliver instant damage. The trade-off for this is that missiles have a 100% to-hit chance so long as the target is still within their range.
If you want to get involved with incursions, and want to have the best possible chance at joining an incursion fleet, look into training up your shield-related skills, and train into either railguns (which are popular turrets for Caldari ships). I'm not sure if Autocannons are used very often (Minmatar weapons), as I don't fly shield-fits.
Alternatively, you could go the armor route, and skill up your skills in energy weapons (lasers, AKA, Amarr weapons) and skill into Amarr and some Gallente ships.
But yes, for the most part, incursion groups don't use missiles as things tend to die too quickly. Ransoms are accepted in Isk, Ships, Mods, and Dolls. |
Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance
862
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Posted - 2013.09.28 21:16:00 -
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sadly a game that some people refer to as excel with graphics is going to get a fair quantity of min-maxer's
eve is a game play it to have fun and just ignore the people telling you xyz is bad for as much as it counts for anything, it's only their opinion, not a fact. |
Solai
Jolly Codgers Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2013.09.29 00:34:00 -
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Even if missiles aren't so good for incursions, make note that a lot of players(like myself) don't even bother with that part of the game. It's a terrible reason to write off a faction.
Moreover, any pilot worth their salt will do a lot of racial cross-training, especially since weapon specialization grants diminishing returns per time spent. That versatility from mild cross-training is especially vital in PVP.
Furthermore, Caldari are favored in other situations. The Drake and Tengu, both missile ships, are some of the most popular and effective PVE ships you'll find.
Finally, a starting character has mere hours worth of SP. The faction you choose has so little bearing on your skilling destiny that it's absolutely irrelevant which race you choose to start with.
Your friends telling you not to roll caldari warrant a dismissive wave of the hand, and a robust "feh!"
Jolly Codgers corp - Bloodthirsty old men of Null-Sec. -á PVP and organizational excellence through maturity, for pilots age 30+. |
Tao Dolcino
Confederation Navy Research Epsilon Fleet
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Posted - 2013.09.29 05:29:00 -
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In every case your race has absolutely nothing to do with the stuff you use. Being Caldari is not a handicap, as they can train any skill just as any other race at exactly the same rate. |
Paul Otichoda
Electric Sun Associates
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Posted - 2013.09.29 08:29:00 -
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missiles do have one other advantage over turret weapons. Due to some quirk of the skill system if you want to train tech 2 battleship weapons (torpedos and cruise missiles) you do not need to train the tech 2 version of cruiser weapons, unlike turrets
This can cut your training time if you just want to jump to tech 2 BS weapons. Though this is balanced by both weapon options being different skills which you have to train twice. |
Lady Naween
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
210
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Posted - 2013.09.29 22:19:00 -
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We done the Orobouros many times now and we bring missile ships. The whole ships die to missiles might have been true but now that cruise missiles are so much faster.. meh.. sure if you only run the small stuff in highsec it might matter *shrugs*
there is always logi though and basi's are still good for incursions :) and flying logi is far more fun anyway
and in pvp missiles are used a lot these days.
remember each race always has one or two things they are not all that good for. so.. don't sweat it too much unless that one thing your race isnt good at is what you reaaaaally want to do. |
Seraph Essael
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
107
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Posted - 2013.09.29 23:24:00 -
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When I first got into EVE, I started looking at different things to take part in. Incursions where one of those things. I was reading a lot about shield fleets (as I am a Caldari pilot). And these shield fleets comprised of a lot of Ravens. Ravens are a shield and missile boat...
Is this still the case? Are they still used a lot in shield fleets?
Forgive the semi-hijack question but it does relate Quoted from Doc Fury: "Concerned citizens: Doc seldom plays EVE on the weekends during spring and summer, so you will always be on your own for a couple days a week. Doc spends that time collecting kittens for the on-going sacrifices, engaging in reckless outdoor activities, and speaking in the 3rd person." |
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Lady Naween
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
210
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Posted - 2013.09.30 00:51:00 -
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Seraph Essael wrote:When I first got into EVE, I started looking at different things to take part in. Incursions where one of those things. I was reading a lot about shield fleets (as I am a Caldari pilot). And these shield fleets comprised of a lot of Ravens. Ravens are a shield and missile boat... Is this still the case? Are they still used a lot in shield fleets? Forgive the semi-hijack question but it does relate
being in lowsec (so not a lot of battleships) but.. we have seen more ravens lately, SC prefers navy scorps for their resists and well being just plain better then ravens.. during this weekends large fights plenty of ravens where seen even in lowsec.. so yes they are used but turrets are still more common. (probably one large reason for this is that people in general dont have torp and cruise skills) |
Seraph Essael
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
107
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Posted - 2013.09.30 01:50:00 -
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Lady Naween wrote:Seraph Essael wrote:When I first got into EVE, I started looking at different things to take part in. Incursions where one of those things. I was reading a lot about shield fleets (as I am a Caldari pilot). And these shield fleets comprised of a lot of Ravens. Ravens are a shield and missile boat... Is this still the case? Are they still used a lot in shield fleets? Forgive the semi-hijack question but it does relate being in lowsec (so not a lot of battleships) but.. we have seen more ravens lately, SC prefers navy scorps for their resists and well being just plain better then ravens.. during this weekends large fights plenty of ravens where seen even in lowsec.. so yes they are used but turrets are still more common. (probably one large reason for this is that people in general dont have torp and cruise skills)
Cheers for the quick clarification.
And I am very much a missile and shield pilot myself so it good to know whats used in regards to ships used etc. Didn't know about the reasons the Navy Scorp is used though so that's handy to know.
Anywho, i'll stop the hijack. Cheers again Quoted from Doc Fury: "Concerned citizens: Doc seldom plays EVE on the weekends during spring and summer, so you will always be on your own for a couple days a week. Doc spends that time collecting kittens for the on-going sacrifices, engaging in reckless outdoor activities, and speaking in the 3rd person." |
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