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Gajarell Deleci
Trilogy Incorporated
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Posted - 2013.09.29 01:04:00 -
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Greetings,
i am looking for a loan under the following conditions:
Total amount: 3b
Minimum: 500m
Duration: 30 days after recieving the full amount
Interest: 15% will be paid after the 30 days
About me:
That doesn't concern you.
About my character:
This character, my main, is 2 1/2 months old and will finish all required skills for piloting freighters within the next 24 hours. The loan will be used to cover necessary investments and after that as a starting capital for regional trading.
Previous loans:
None
FASQ
Why should we trust you?
You obviously shouldn't. It is common knowledge that you can't trust anyone in EVE and as far as unc. loans go it seems to be more about weighting the risk of loosing the money against the potential profit.
But could you give us something that makes us believe that you can fullfill the contract/pull this off?
Up until now i used my CNR to grind missions, this became boring to me but should i take strange pills and consider an offer to double my ISK i would be able to grind the amount the old fashioned way. My Post history should show that i am able to use basic math which is kinda helpfull when it comes to trading.
Also, i have the necessary abilties to google, use the results and as far as gaming goes i considered d2 (and its ******** child d3), poe etc as trading games, playing this branch successfully until it rendered playing the game itself mute. I have given you no proof regarding this but longer texts seem to be considered a point for increased trustworthiness so i might as well include it. |
X ATM092
Clan Shadow Wolf
Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2013.09.29 02:25:00 -
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Oh come on. You're not even trying. |
Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
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Posted - 2013.09.29 02:25:00 -
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About this bond:
It doesn't concern me.
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The Greenmachine Greenmachine
Green's Bicycle Shop
38
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Posted - 2013.09.29 03:19:00 -
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if you bump up to 95% interest and send me the isk first to make sure you even have it. then we have a deal |
Gajarell Deleci
Trilogy Incorporated
3
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Posted - 2013.09.29 06:54:00 -
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Now i am interested, to which point do you object?
As far as i can tell it can't be that i am not telling in which market area i specifically want to invest - that seems non-standard.
Is it the lack of sob-story? Those get objected to on a regular basis.
Is tt the lack of "i really really dont want to scam you!" - i think most eve players are smarter than that and considering that board-communties are usually the upper bracket of players i didn't even consider trying it.
If it's not that, do you just object to asking for unc. loans without prior loans/otherwise gained trust in general?
That's really redundant, but considering your post histories this doesn't seem to bother you anyway, so thanks for the free bumb :)
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Posted - 2013.09.29 07:06:00 -
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Gajarell Deleci wrote:Why should we trust you?
You obviously shouldn't.
OK YOU HAVE CONVINCED ME BRAH |
flakeys
Antwerpse Kerels
Fidelas Constans
1468
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Posted - 2013.09.29 07:33:00 -
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Gajarell Deleci wrote:Now i am interested, to which point do you object?
As far as i can tell it can't be that i am not telling in which market area i specifically want to invest - that seems non-standard.
Is it the lack of sob-story? Those get objected to on a regular basis.
Is tt the lack of "i really really dont want to scam you!" - i think most eve players are smarter than that and considering that board-communties are usually the upper bracket of players i didn't even consider trying it.
If it's not that, do you just object to asking for unc. loans without prior loans/otherwise gained trust in general?
That's really redundant, but considering your post histories this doesn't seem to bother you anyway, so thanks for the free bumb :)
To start off with uncollateralised loans are become rare here for it's own reason.Now IF i was going to want to invest -wich i am not- some things would sparkle my attention.Such as you saying : ''Up until now i used my CNR to grind missions'' while a line above saying : '' my main, is 2 1/2 months old and will finish all required skills for piloting freighters within the next 24 hours ''.
Then you got the ''loan for a freighter'' , something wich can be shot from under your ass quite easily .A bit like doing a null/low-sec loan.
Well looking at a post above it seems you got the attention of ''captain isktosser'' so consider yourself Lucky if he actually loans you the isk .
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Gajarell Deleci
Trilogy Incorporated
3
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Posted - 2013.09.29 08:25:00 -
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flakeys wrote:Gajarell Deleci wrote:Now i am interested, to which point do you object?
As far as i can tell it can't be that i am not telling in which market area i specifically want to invest - that seems non-standard.
Is it the lack of sob-story? Those get objected to on a regular basis.
Is tt the lack of "i really really dont want to scam you!" - i think most eve players are smarter than that and considering that board-communties are usually the upper bracket of players i didn't even consider trying it.
If it's not that, do you just object to asking for unc. loans without prior loans/otherwise gained trust in general?
That's really redundant, but considering your post histories this doesn't seem to bother you anyway, so thanks for the free bumb :)
To start off with uncollateralised loans are become rare here for it's own reason.Now IF i was going to want to invest -wich i am not- some things would sparkle my attention.Such as you saying : ''Up until now i used my CNR to grind missions'' while a line above saying : '' my main, is 2 1/2 months old and will finish all required skills for piloting freighters within the next 24 hours ''. Then you got the ''loan for a freighter'' , something wich can be shot from under your ass quite easily .A bit like doing a null/low-sec loan. Well looking at a post above it seems you got the attention of ''captain isktosser'' so consider yourself Lucky if he actually loans you the isk .
Thank you for the post.
Is the CNR part noteworthy because it implies a lack of prior experience with the market or because it is unlikely/strange to get all the required techs in that time (techs actually beeing something i could easily prove with the API). I actually considered the CNR part a reasonable fallback plan, p.ex in case the freighter gets destroyed.
Greetings
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Posted - 2013.09.29 08:25:00 -
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IS IT A BIRD?
IS IT A PLANE?
NO ITS
flakeys wrote:''captain isktosser''
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Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
1058
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Posted - 2013.09.29 09:28:00 -
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24h before your training plan finishes you suddenly discover that you can't even afford a freighter and collateral/cargo. How unexpected! |
flakeys
Antwerpse Kerels
Fidelas Constans
1468
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Posted - 2013.09.29 09:33:00 -
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Vera Algaert wrote:24h before your training plan finishes you suddenly discover that you can't even afford a freighter and collateral/cargo. How unexpected!
well actually he is allmost working as MD intended to :)
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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arabella blood
I Swear She Looked 18
177
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Posted - 2013.09.29 09:56:00 -
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I LIKE IT wrote:IS IT A BIRD? IS IT A PLANE? NO ITS flakeys wrote:''captain isktosser''
How a dull forum as MD makes me laugh is beyond explanation.
You guys are awesome.
Someone should interview the crazy cap, so we can learn more about the man behind the CAPS.
Troll for hire. Cheap prices. |
flakeys
Antwerpse Kerels
Fidelas Constans
1470
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Posted - 2013.09.29 09:56:00 -
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arabella blood wrote:I LIKE IT wrote:IS IT A BIRD? IS IT A PLANE? NO ITS flakeys wrote:''captain isktosser'' How a dull forum as MD makes me laugh is beyond explanation. You guys are awesome. Someone should interview the crazy cap, so we can learn more about the man behind the CAPS.
And destroy the legacy? 
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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flakeys
Antwerpse Kerels
Fidelas Constans
1470
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Posted - 2013.09.29 10:03:00 -
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I LIKE IT wrote:IS IT A BIRD? IS IT A PLANE? NO ITS flakeys wrote:''captain isktosser''
Replace kryptonite with defaults and we got ourselves a new MARVEL movie .
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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arabella blood
I Swear She Looked 18
177
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Posted - 2013.09.29 10:10:00 -
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The old legends say he is a bot, left here behind from the banks era. Designed to fulfill every loan under 1bil, after analyzing the OP's syntax.
It is said he was damaged during the forum move, which resulted in the CAPS malfunction we are seeing now.
The prophecy says that once his funds will end, a new era of free loans will rise, and we will be swimming in piles of isk.
But some say his funds will never end, as he is now a "perpetual machine", able to work eternally only by using the interest he gets.
That legacy?
Troll for hire. Cheap prices. |
I LIKE IT
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Posted - 2013.09.29 10:12:00 -
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I DONT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT MY LEG FEELS FINE |
Logical Chaos
Mind Games.
Suddenly Spaceships.
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Posted - 2013.09.29 10:15:00 -
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I LIKE IT wrote:IS IT A BIRD? IS IT A PLANE? NO ITS flakeys wrote:''captain isktosser''
So, no Millipedes for him? How sad  |
Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
78
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Posted - 2013.09.29 14:59:00 -
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So I'm going to ask some questions you should have answered in your OP.
Why do you need to borrow this ISK rather than use your own? What is your net asset value?
Is your Gajarell Deleci your CNR pilot?
Do you have any alts?
Could we see your character(s) on eveboard?
Why do you need a freighter rather than using courier contracts?
What are these "necessary investments"?
Why can't you provide any collateral? You have a CNR which you're bored of using, why not sell it and start trading with the ISK?
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enterprisePSI
219
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Posted - 2013.09.29 16:38:00 -
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Selling the CNR , is an excellent start up capital for trading, and can easily become 3 bill, in 2 months.
The tears of the many, outweight the tears of the few. Or the one. enterprise-psi-¬
I made tweet, Y U NO FOLLOW!!! |
Rhivre
TarNec
Invisible Exchequer
450
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Posted - 2013.09.29 17:05:00 -
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2 1/2 months old and flying a CNR...eep.
Anyway, since you had the capital to get a CNR, assuming you had the capital to fit it properly, selling it will get you a good chunk of the way towards your 3b without the need for a loan |
Gajarell Deleci
Trilogy Incorporated
3
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Posted - 2013.09.29 23:28:00 -
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enterprisePSI wrote:Selling the CNR , is an excellent start up capital for trading, and can easily become 3 bill, in 2 months.
Let's assume 650m for a CNR.
30 / 6.5 = 4,61
2^n = 4.61
n = 2,21 (how often can you double your money in 2 months)
8 / 2.21 = 3,6 (weeks per doubleing)
considering a 3b loan over 1 month would give: 6,4b, substracting payout around 3b net profit in the first month compared to 754m net profit.
Which is probably what some would consider an incentive for a loan (most ppl are not held at gunpoint "come up with the isk or we kill your dog" granting you a real "need for a loan")
But you are anyway just repeating E Norn.
Some point of Norn's post are valid and i won't go to deep into why i would like to cut a middle man and not using courier contracts, but i would really like to know, given any reasonable answer to those questions, would it have made a difference to you? |
Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
78
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Posted - 2013.09.30 00:06:00 -
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it probably wouldn't make a difference to me, I'm not the one asking for ISK and I had already decided what I would do based upon your first post, avoiding my questions wasn't the way to go about changing my mind either. You are the one asking for the ISK, providing a little information like that could have gone a long way compared to what you initially posted.
As for doubling 650m several times within two months, it should be trivial if you have a good plan. If I had zero ISK and was given 3b I would not be spending over one third of it on a freighter that an in addition to being a sizeable investment is a massive timesink compared to the wonderfully cheap couriers services out there.
Anyway your point about earning more with 3b capital is moot because you do not have 3b, apparently have not traded before and seemingly don't want to start until someone gives you a handout. My suggestion is to sell the CNR, start trading with that ISK and then come back with some solid evidence of your success if you intend to ask for ISK again.
And with that, I'm out.
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