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Wyke Mossari	Posted - 2006.01.20 01:44:00 - [1] The amount of memory the client uses steadly climbs, eventually leading to more swapping of the VM, and ultimatly vm trashing. It seems worse when transiting from the different 'modes' in the client, e.g Gating from system to system, docking & undocking. It seems less severe if you stay in the same system.
WRAITH666	Posted - 2006.01.20 08:35:00 - [2] yer this needs to be fixed i have trouble running 2 clients on 1 machine. Please note this has only been seen since RMR patch.
Tachy	Posted - 2006.01.20 09:10:00 - [3] Installing the .NET 2.0 framework seems to help many people. MS: There's no garbage collection changes in 2.0. We did those in 1.1 ... I think some drivers loose their mem leaks with the new .NET framework. The client usually uses 180-220MB, depending on your settings. --==*-- Megadon CCP wanted a well known artist and celebrity to test the new font so it's approval would be well known. They got Ray
Mitram	Posted - 2006.01.20 12:02:00 - [4] Edited by: Mitram on 20/01/2006 12:04:19 Eve is not using .NET For example: I have no .NET on my WindowsXP. I noticed the memory leak too and after a while it was gone. Very strange but well, it works now and I don't know why it works. ;-)
Tachy	Posted - 2006.01.20 20:48:00 - [5] Maybe you missed me relating some mem leak problems to drivers using it? 8 out of 10 pilots have no mem leak, or a much lesser problem after upgrading to the .NET 2.0 framework. The ATi controll center uses .NET 1.1, according to their website. Installing the .NET 2.0 framework removes most problems that have been there for ATi users. I double checked, and it works for EVE too on my computer. With the 1.1 framework I have a slight increase in mem use for the eve VM. With the 2.0 framework I have no increase. I don't think it is a placebo effect. --==*-- Megadon CCP wanted a well known artist and celebrity to test the new font so it's approval would be well known. They got Ray
theRaptor	Posted - 2006.01.21 05:50:00 - [6] Originally by: Tachy Maybe you missed me relating some mem leak problems to drivers using it? 8 out of 10 pilots have no mem leak, or a much lesser problem after upgrading to the .NET 2.0 framework. The ATi controll center uses .NET 1.1, according to their website. Installing the .NET 2.0 framework removes most problems that have been there for ATi users. I double checked, and it works for EVE too on my computer. With the 1.1 framework I have a slight increase in mem use for the eve VM. With the 2.0 framework I have no increase. I don't think it is a placebo effect. I do, because I don't see how CCP's ****ty coding would lead to the drivers leaking memory. It might be possible but it seems seriously unlikely. I don't think you trust, in, my, self-righteous suicide.
BH Sharkbait	Posted - 2006.01.22 01:26:00 - [7] i have personally had no problems with memory leaks as yet. i have all the latest XP updates and all my drivers are kept upto date (even nvidia). can you please file a bug report about this issue. try and include a logfile and crash dmp file (if eve crashes). put as much info in the br as possible. if your sitting in a station please include what windows/services you had open, what ship etc. if your inspace, state your setup, what was running, did you have drones out etc. please include any and all info. logfile and dxdiag file is very important and will be very useful thx Bugreport Site How to file a bugreport
Lone Desire	Posted - 2006.01.22 07:40:00 - [8] Just confirming the memory leak .. its pretty bad on a Dell Inspiron 700 laptop. I have to restart the client every 2-3 hours, even though I have 512MB of RAM, and Windows XP with everything up-to-date. Update: After the recent patch, it isn't quite as bad, now I can last at least 3 hours before needing to restart the client.
Alekseyevich Cherenkov	Posted - 2006.01.24 04:56:00 - [9] I have the "unrestricted memory grab" problem too. This is my first month subscribed, and will be my last as well. I will absolutely cancel my subscription if this issue is not resolved. P4 2.4 GHz, 512 MB PC2100, C:NTFS 12GB, D:NTFS 137GB E:NTFS 280GB Pagefile locked at 1536 MB DirectX 9.0c NVidia GForce4 MX4000 64MB Microsoft .NET Framework 1.1
Gungankllr	Posted - 2006.01.24 05:17:00 - [10] I get the virtual memory alarm after an hour or so of playing also. If I don't relog, Eve crashes. As it stands now, the game reverts to desktop (still stayus running) when the warning comes in.
Griller SW	Posted - 2006.01.24 12:00:00 - [11] Edited by: Griller SW on 24/01/2006 12:00:46 I just wanted to let you know that after installing the .NET Framework Version 2.0 Redistributable Package my problems with memory leaks have apparently stopped. I'm using a GeForce FX5200 with up-to-date drivers from NVidia.
Admiral IceBlock	Posted - 2006.01.24 19:08:00 - [12] i installed the .NET v2,0 to and no effect here. EVE still climbs up to high memory. I play game, EVE freezes for a min, new memory usage is around 375k to 400k and still increases 1k per sec.. it stops after a while at high memory usage and eve is still playable after that.. "We brake for nobody"
Wyke Mossari	Posted - 2006.01.25 00:57:00 - [13] I've also update .Net v2 and it has had no effect.
Mohaan	Posted - 2006.01.25 08:37:00 - [14] As of the latest patch i have never had any memory leaks... I used to get alot of memory leaks and had to relog EVE every 2-3hours and restart my comp after 3-4 times. Also, i do alot of alt-tabbing.. and its fine now.. i get the alt-tab bug once in awhile tho(where you cant get into the game and you have to use ctrl-alt-delete)
Delacho	Posted - 2006.01.25 11:07:00 - [15] When i was in a 170 people gang the other day, mem use was climbing from 100M to 1+Gb in like 20 minutes. minimizing and maximizing eve client (windowed mode) made the mem use drop back to 100MB
Tachy	Posted - 2006.01.25 11:49:00 - [16] Minimizing just unloads all momentarily unneeded stuff. Maximizing the client makes it reload all the stuff again as soon as it is needed again. It only helps until something's happening close to you. Then your client reloads all the stuff again, basically lagging you more than before. --==*-- Megadon CCP wanted a well known artist and celebrity to test the new font so it's approval would be well known. They got Ray
The Wizz117	Posted - 2006.01.25 12:30:00 - [17] when there was a memory leak in Battle field 2 it was wolrd news and within the week there came a patch fixing it.
Albus	Posted - 2006.01.25 15:04:00 - [18] Originally by: Tachy Minimizing just unloads all momentarily unneeded stuff. Maximizing the client makes it reload all the stuff again as soon as it is needed again. It only helps until something's happening close to you. Then your client reloads all the stuff again, basically lagging you more than before. "Memory leaks" are caused by one of two things. 1. A program allocates memory for a particular task, then doesn't bother to free it once it's finished with it. 2. A program allocates memory for a particular task, but then loses track of that memory, so is unable to free it even if it wants to. Number two is the traditional meaning of a memory leak, and is more serious than the first. It's called a leak because the memory has escaped from where it was supposed to be. Number one is simply a program that uses more memory than it really needs to. Generally if a program is suffering from the second problem, you can't free up the memory in any way, short of shutting down the program. The program itself could not free the memory even if it knew about it, as it's lost it's handle. The fact that you can clear the memory out just by minimizing the EVE client, suggests to me that Eve is suffering from the first issue. Minimzing the game triggers something in the client which de-allocates the memory for everything that isn't needed any longer. The program itself is still able to de-allocate the memory, otherwise it wouldn't make any difference at all.
Daygore Aracnus	Posted - 2006.01.25 16:26:00 - [19] i also suffer from this as does a fend of mine we do a lot of softwere dev with the .net frame work at thats fine, and i atualy as it gets wores with jumping and is genraly i think clased by it (i can go 6 hours in the same system (if the user count goes up to 300ish then it returns and even if it drops down to 100 after i still am left with the high usage (i can understand with 300 pepole the ram usage)) but if i jump even once the memory climes there after, and no the game does not crash as for makeing a log and all that stuff thats not realy possible as it takes like 3-4 hours on my comp somtimes 6 hours
Wyke Mossari	Posted - 2006.01.27 15:49:00 - [20] Originally by: Albus The fact that you can drop Eve's mem usage to 50Mb or so just by minimizing the EVE client suggests to me that Eve is suffering from the first issue. Minimzing the game triggers something in the client which de-allocates the memory for everything that isn't needed any longer. The program itself must still able to de-allocate the memory, otherwise it wouldn't make any difference at all. ---snipped-- Of course, I may be barking up the wrong tree entirely, but hey ho. As a software engineer myself I acknowledge the accuracy of your comments which make some very good points. However I suffer from the memory leak and minimising only marginally reduces my vm-size and has minimal effect on improving client 'freezing' (#1) symtom. This freezing can be for anything from a fraction of a second to a couple of minutes. The freezing and thrashing seem clearly syncronised to me. I often hear my hd start thrashing as the client freezes, the client become responsive again as the thrashing stops. It seems to me that there may be some low level coupling/syncronisation issue between the vm triggered swapping disk and network activity. (#1) I couldn't find a better word than 'freezing', I'm not talking about halting or locking. What I'm talking about appears like lag, the client judders between being responsive and unresponsive. I dont believe this is network or server related lag because restarting improves the situation immensely even when the servers are being heavly loaded. AIH I have a 1gb of memory, the VM size about 230MB on Eve startup and usually about 600-800MB when the trashing start to become noticable and causing a problem.
Commander Kahn'Alzaor	Posted - 2006.01.27 16:40:00 - [21] sadly my machine is no beast in terms of anything. I flog the crap out of my 256 meg of ram daily. i also have 1024mb of VM allocated. Before RMR i could run eve fine , albiet slow fps but a radeon 9250 has helped that out. Now i can't jump more then 9 systems with out having my system lock up for up to 5 min's at a time. I get about 1.5 hours gameplay before the leak occurs but when it does its reboot time for the client. Nothing else will fix it apart from a hard reboot I am upgrading my .Net now . i'll let you know how i go.
Commander Kahn'Alzaor	Posted - 2006.01.28 06:02:00 - [22] tryed everything mentioned here , no fix came with the .NET 2 and minimizing the client has failed aswell. Dev's can this get fixed PLEASE
Sun Ra	Posted - 2006.01.28 11:20:00 - [23] Anyone else get graphics problems running 2 clients? seems to be linked, if i dont load both clients at the same time this happens If i load both at the same time its fine, ill try the .net update Arcane Frankologies - 'plz stop guys it's xmas'
Commander Kahn'Alzaor	Posted - 2006.01.28 13:08:00 - [24] sun ra mabey next time you shouldnt download the hippy patch 1.1?
gnif	Posted - 2006.01.29 11:26:00 - [25] Edited by: gnif on 29/01/2006 11:26:24 I am running with 2GB of ram... and i have left the eve client running over night on occasion... only to come back and find it has chewed up all the ram and is paging to disk... I am a software developer, and I know how hard it can be to track these kind of problems down... so dont give CCP a hard time people, I am sure that they are doing their best. The video drivers could be an issue... or the chipset drivers... etc. There are many way to accomplish a task, and it could be possible that the way that CCP has done things works the drivers in a different way and the drivers leak memory. If this was to happen though, I would not expect to see eve's memory usage go through the roof, i would expect a system service do so. I will say though that it is an issue, and one that bugs the hell out of me... if I hadnt have become hooked in the 1st couple of days, i would have already terminated my account because of this problem.
Hawk Firestorm	Posted - 2006.01.31 14:56:00 - [26] Edited by: Hawk Firestorm on 31/01/2006 14:57:56 Rumours about it being drivers etc are smoke the memory delta steadily increases in the clients monitor, if it was anything else but the client this wouldn't be the case. Now I'm not sayin there may be additional leakages in other apps etc. There's a huge memory leakage in the CLIENT. Now it is true however that some are effected less by it, those with fast hyperthreaded systems with alotta memory will notice it alot more slowly if at all depending on their playtime. But it's there alright.
BrainAche3	Posted - 2006.02.01 10:01:00 - [27] Other day computer with reinstalled xp pro and just eve running said eve client was 431mb. That system was a p4 3.2 512mb ddr 2 ram and nividia 6600gt video card
BrainAche3	Posted - 2006.02.01 10:01:00 - [28] Other day computer with reinstalled xp pro and just eve running said eve client was 431mb. That system was a p4 3.2 512mb ddr 2 ram and nividia 6600gt video card

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