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Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
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Posted - 2011.10.31 18:20:00 -
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So, since lots of stuff is being worked on for ship models, I thought IGÇÖd ask a question thatGÇÖs been bugging me for some time.
Why do the military-grade (fleet issue, navy issue) editions of spaceships have standard woodland / desert camouflage paintjobs? It seems so silly and arbitrary. Why in the world would I have brown and green blotches on my stabber unless IGÇÖm flying it through a forest?
To me, GÇ£space camouflageGÇ¥ would consist of a black ship painted with pale colored dots. Now, this would be a pain in the butt to actually see, so IGÇÖm not asking for that obviously. But the camo blotches we have now GÇô seem so slapped on and out of place. Almost any other cool custom paintjob would work, I just donGÇÖt get the camo thing.
Is there something IGÇÖm missing? Is there some lore or anything that explains this peculiar design decision when it comes to ship paintjob?
Are we seeing new paintjobs or customization options come winter expansion?
Thanks developers and community alike, appreciate the inputGǪ
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InVictus Kell
The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.31 18:23:00 -
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True story: Olive green camouflage makes you ahrder to see no matter where you are, in space, in the jungle, at a little girls pink pny birthday party, at a nightclub trying to pick up chicks, etc.
It's a widely believed fact.
didnt the navy mega used to be nearly pitch black? I remember after the trinity upgrade it used to look seriously menacing. |
MeestaPenni
Mercantile and Stuff
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Posted - 2011.10.31 18:25:00 -
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It was CCP GI Joe's decision to do that. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.10.31 18:26:00 -
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Because colour schemes make no difference in a world of sensors (which aren't working within the visible light spectrum, or indeed aren't even using light to begin with) so you can paint them any way you like without it making any differenceGǪ
GǪso you go for what looks good and what is traditional instead.
GÇöGÇöGÇö
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
GÇö Karath Piki-á |
i5L4NDOF5T4BiLiTY
sHaKeDoWn..
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Posted - 2011.10.31 18:32:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Because colour schemes make no difference in a world of sensors (which aren't working within the visible light spectrum, or indeed aren't even using light to begin with) so you can paint them any way you like without it making any differenceGǪ
GǪso you go for what looks good and what is traditional instead.
LADAR bro. |
Montevius Williams
Trigger works
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Posted - 2011.10.31 18:44:00 -
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Probably out of tradition? Navy is part of the military, military wears camo. Hell, sailors and Marines on ships still wear green camo utilities. Do they need them? Hell No, but its tradition (assuming the're not crashing a beachhead that is). The Airforce wears camo. Do they need them in an office enironment at Edwards Airforce base? Hell No, but its tradition.
Out of any organization in the world, the military (any countries military) is probably the biggest on tradition and customs.
Full disclosure: I was in the Marine Corps. |
Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin
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Posted - 2011.10.31 18:52:00 -
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InVictus Kell wrote:True story: Olive green camouflage makes you harder to see no matter where you are, in space, in the jungle, at a little girls pink pony birthday party, at a nightclub trying to pick up chicks, etc.
It's a widely believed fact.
didnt the navy mega used to be nearly pitch black? I remember after the trinity upgrade it used to look seriously menacing.
its true, ever wonder how idiot meathead squaddies get the chicks? its that damned overpowered cammo.
The greatest problem with it is that its only for the gall, clearly this needs to be spread out, id particularly like ot see the aeon with a nice cammo job, cos boy it needs somthing! |
Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order
Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2011.10.31 18:56:00 -
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Because it looks cool. I'm literally invincible, and my daily income could buy me a small country on any of the thousands of planets I can visit in a few hours. I can paint my ship however the heck I want! |
Gealbhan
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Flatline.
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Posted - 2011.10.31 19:00:00 -
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The Minmatar use space camo all the time. Have you ever tried looking for one of their ships in an asteroid belt? |
stoicfaux
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Posted - 2011.10.31 19:00:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
Why do the military-grade (fleet issue, navy issue) editions of spaceships have standard woodland / desert camouflage paintjobs? It seems so silly and arbitrary. Why in the world would I have brown and green blotches on my stabber unless IGÇÖm flying it through a forest?
Typical short-sighted human centrist liberal nanny-state why isn't the state run with common sense, where common sense equals my personal views naive waste-product of a bad lay civilian.
The space paint camouflage only appears as brown/green to the HUMAN eye. To the sensors of Eve, the camouflage is quite effective at limiting the enemy's ability to lock on to a ship to just under 250km and makes it difficult for larger ships to lock onto smaller ships.
Now go back to your hippie, trust-fund funded, political-science-can-bring-about-utopia college commune and let the rest of us get back to defending your right to be stupid from our external (and internal) enemies.
Tinfoil. It should be at the top of everyone's food pyramid.
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Demon View
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.10.31 19:04:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:So, since lots of stuff is being worked on for ship models, I thought IGÇÖd ask a question thatGÇÖs been bugging me for some time.
Why do the military-grade (fleet issue, navy issue) editions of spaceships have standard woodland / desert camouflage paintjobs? It seems so silly and arbitrary. Why in the world would I have brown and green blotches on my stabber unless IGÇÖm flying it through a forest?
No faction Amarr ship is so afflicted (although the Punisher has some suspicious tints, although the executioner has those black-rubber bits on it now, although the new Maller...); there are also non-faction Caldari and Gallente ships that are so afflicted - f.e., the Harpy. On some ships it looks OK (f.e., the Harpy), although it's just blatant nonsense as design.
Maybe CCP has been planning ahead for the NEX ship-skins for some time. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.10.31 19:07:00 -
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i5L4NDOF5T4BiLiTY wrote:LADAR bro. No need for visual light spectrum, and doesn't particularly care about colour patterns anyway.
GÇöGÇöGÇö
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Coastie SK
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.31 19:08:00 -
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Montevius Williams wrote:Probably out of tradition? Navy is part of the military, military wears camo. Hell, sailors and Marines on ships still wear green camo utilities. Do they need them? Hell No, but its tradition (assuming the're not crashing a beachhead that is). The Airforce wears camo. Do they need them in an office enironment at Edwards Airforce base? Hell No, but its tradition.
Out of any organization in the world, the military (any countries military) is probably the biggest on tradition and customs.
Full disclosure: I was in the Marine Corps.
Coasties dont wear camo most of the time... unless we are deployed to another region. I have a few sets of DCUs supporting OIF in Bahrain. |
Potamus Jenkins
The Lucky Bible Company
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Posted - 2011.10.31 19:09:00 -
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i love the way the buzzard looks |
InVictus Kell
The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.31 19:10:00 -
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There's also all the forests in space too, although you cant see them because they're also camoflouged. |
Scortched Merc
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.31 19:11:00 -
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I am looking forward to my Tengu having a nice Hello Kitty paint job... that'll be soem awsome camo. 
E .-+ ` ' / -+. F
Your tears fuel my internet spaceship. |
Hyacinthous
Sibyl Cadre
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Posted - 2011.10.31 19:11:00 -
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Real space camo is a Mirrored paint job.
Too bad CCP doesn't know about that. Starships should have a mirror coating, that is the perfect camo for a starship. |
Demon View
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.10.31 19:14:00 -
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Coastie SK wrote:Coasties dont wear camo most of the time... unless we are deployed to another region. I have a few sets of DCUs supporting OIF in Bahrain.
And then you have the Air Force.
... I take back that "blatant nonsense", CCP. |
stoicfaux
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Posted - 2011.10.31 19:16:00 -
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Scortched Merc wrote:I am looking forward to my Tengu having a nice Hello Kitty paint job... that'll be soem awsome camo.
Speaking of which, obligatory
* Hello Kitty Kestrel: http://www.mmorpg.com/photo/322c9d29-db56-4f12-8e81-30505459d9c4
* Hello Kitty Apoc: http://www.unholyground.com/upload/hellokittyapoc.jpg
* Hello Kitty AR-15 http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_2j_d3CsMeL8/TKnoUdNsEtI/AAAAAAAABMo/uBATMt1W8-4/s1600/hellokitty_ar15assault_1.jpg
Tinfoil. It should be at the top of everyone's food pyramid.
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Nariya Kentaya
Celestial Ascension
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Posted - 2011.10.31 19:17:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Because colour schemes make no difference in a world of sensors (which aren't working within the visible light spectrum, or indeed aren't even using light to begin with) so you can paint them any way you like without it making any differenceGǪ
GǪso you go for what looks good and what is traditional instead.
i say we go for what looks good, and make a pirate faction that neon-lines their ships to look like something otu of TRON: Legacy (or the original tron, if your feeling nostalgiac), cause i eman honestly, its nigh-impossible to see something in space visually without already knowing WHERE to look, and having the sun behind you to reflect the light back in your direction, so why dont we have big/flashy overly flamboyant ships instead of either Minmatar Rust, Amarrian bronze/brass, and Caldari Gunmetal? |
Neve Talie-Ko
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.31 19:19:00 -
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Wouldn't black have a detrimental effect on life support (air conditioning) close to a star? Even mirrored would be a problem when outlined against the sun. |
stoicfaux
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Posted - 2011.10.31 19:20:00 -
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Neve Talie-Ko wrote:Wouldn't black have a detrimental effect on life support (air conditioning) close to a star? Even mirrored would be a problem when outlined against the sun.
Given that you can park your ship near, on, or in a star, the answer would be "no."
Tinfoil. It should be at the top of everyone's food pyramid.
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i5L4NDOF5T4BiLiTY
sHaKeDoWn..
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Posted - 2011.10.31 19:59:00 -
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Tippia wrote:i5L4NDOF5T4BiLiTY wrote:LADAR bro. No need for visual light spectrum, and doesn't particularly care about colour patterns anyway.
Well if it was LADAR the patterns would give it away, because its pretty hard to make patterns out of a colour palette of black, black and black. which would be the colour of a ship trying to defeat LADAR.
Even out of our visual range LADAR using ultraviolet and near infrared would be defeated by material that was black in colour to our eye's, but also happen's to absorb ultraviolet and near infrared. |
stoicfaux
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Posted - 2011.10.31 20:12:00 -
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i5L4NDOF5T4BiLiTY wrote:
Well if it was LADAR the patterns would give it away, because its pretty hard to make patterns out of a colour palette of black, black and black. which would be the colour of a ship trying to defeat LADAR.
Even out of our visual range LADAR using ultraviolet and near infrared would be defeated by material that was black in colour to our eye's, but also happen's to absorb ultraviolet and near infrared.
Or, you know, since Eve ships are supposed to ride some kind of subspace/gravity wave, maybe LADAR instead measures the target's distortion of subspace/gravity in order to calculate where the target is.
Besides, according to Atomic Rocket, there ain't no stealth in space.
"The Space Shuttle's much weaker main engines could be detected past the orbit of Pluto. The Space Shuttle's manoeuvering thrusters could be seen as far as the asteroid belt. And even a puny ship using ion drive to thrust at a measly 1/1000 of a g could be spotted at one astronomical unit."
The only camouflage in space is a magic cloaking device. Or hiding completely inside a rock until your ship's heat warms the rock enough for people on the outside to wonder why your rock is warmer than it should be.
tl;dr Eve's physics and Harry Potter's magic are equally defined and equally plausible.
Tinfoil. It should be at the top of everyone's food pyramid.
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InVictus Kell
The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.31 20:17:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:
tl;dr Eve's physics and Harry Potter's magic are equally defined and equally plausible.
Voldemort ganks miners and sells PLEX for too much!! NERFBAT! |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2011.10.31 20:17:00 -
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Becuase in space we really look for you heat not your colors. |
i5L4NDOF5T4BiLiTY
sHaKeDoWn..
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Posted - 2011.10.31 20:25:00 -
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Well yeah, the only perfect Stealth, would be for the ship to not exist at all.
Thats no reason not to try lower your footprint, with a simple coat of paint.
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Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
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Posted - 2011.10.31 20:28:00 -
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If a ship was capable of atmospheric flight (e.g. symmetrical ships) and land/hide somewhere in the jungle, then yes it would make sense.
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Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
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Posted - 2011.10.31 20:47:00 -
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Jennifer Starling wrote:If a ship was capable of atmospheric flight (e.g. symmetrical ships) and land/hide somewhere in the jungle, then yes it would make sense.
There are several examples of viable atmospheric flight vehicles that are asymmetric, for what its worth. Symmetry is no more a requirement for atmospheric flight than it is for space flight.
Sadly though, it looks like CCP is migrating away from the asymmetric distinctiveness of Caldari and Gallente ships - such as the new Talos design, redesigned Scorpion, and redesigned Crow. |
Cat Casidy
Percussive Diplomacy
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Posted - 2011.10.31 20:50:00 -
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Wasn't the new crow debunked by a GM in another thread?
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