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Aryth GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1214	Posted - 2013.10.01 15:16:00 - [1] - Quote Please also remove the SOV requirement in nullsec to place command centers. This would allow us to open it up based on standings and share planets with people. We can lockout hostiles with 100% tax rates if so desired. Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal - Want to follow the latest scandals? @EVEAryth
Aryth GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1215	Posted - 2013.10.01 15:58:00 - [2] - Quote As the person that developed the highsec poco plans...Your fears of Goons taking over all the highsec pocos are completely unfounded. It isn't required or desired. What you should really be worried about hasn't even been brought up yet. Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal - Want to follow the latest scandals? @EVEAryth
Aryth GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1222	Posted - 2013.10.01 16:36:00 - [3] - Quote Weaselior wrote: Rivr Luzade wrote: In your aka the particularly ugly case of an alliance that is devoted to make the gameplay experience for all people of this game worse and unenjoyable: Yes, definitely heaven forbid. Your attitude alone proves all the negative sentiments against your alliance/coalition. not all people, just all the people who happen to not be in our alliance or blue list To be fair here, it includes some of those people as well. Just fugging diplomats won't let us terrorize them too. Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal - Want to follow the latest scandals? @EVEAryth
Aryth GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1224	Posted - 2013.10.01 17:22:00 - [4] - Quote Nullsec gets handed siphons to steal moongoo and nullsec says nothing as that is funny what will promote some fun at the expense of our income. Highsec gets handed POCOS and flips out because they want to play farmville in peace without those nasty big alliances clubbing them over the head. The rabbit hole is much deeper than people seem to realize in this thread. We have three plans. Only one of which anyone is focusing on at this point. You should be worried far more about your fellow highsecer than us. While we are interested, this is fairly small income to us outside certain select cases. Worry more about your neighbors. Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal - Want to follow the latest scandals? @EVEAryth
Aryth GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1224	Posted - 2013.10.01 17:27:00 - [5] - Quote None ofthe Above wrote: Aryth wrote: As the person that developed the highsec poco plans...Your fears of Goons taking over all the highsec pocos are completely unfounded. It isn't required or desired. What you should really be worried about hasn't even been brought up yet. Aaand later you guys say: mynnna wrote: Bethan Le Troix wrote: At GSF is admitting that they'll be doing the high sec POCO grab. I fail to see why this surprises anyone. Nice job keeping up the pretense. Didn't last long. Parsing this out, I presume that the grab will probably be selective. Certain areas may be untouched. But you'll be taking key regions worth of POCOs. I am not sure I care who does this. CFC has the largest resources to do this, but they are not the only people to be concerned about. I foresee a huge brawl in The Forge the likes of the Fountain War. RvB vs Goonswarm with other powers dropping in on various engagements. And that's probably the best case scenario. Worst would be a major power rolling through unopposed. From the dev blog: Quote: POCOs in hi sec will give the owner the exact same controls as POCOs in low sec GÇô the owner can set the tax rate as he wants and can have different tax rates based on standings. This includes denying access. I think the deny access in highsec is going to be a real problem. It makes sense in low and null, but a real problem in high. NPC taxes are still there, so it's obviously regulated. You may need to special case for high sec and remove the deny by standings and keep a lid on max tax rates. Or else things are likely to get really ugly in the production chain. While having null sec alliances play a part in this charge is interesting, I don't think allowing the starvation of highsec PI (unless we all kneel before Zod, Arryth, the Mittani, Mangala or whomever wins the Poco grab) is a good idea. We have never said we won't take pocos. What we said was we don't care about all of highsec. We don't, nor will we. The planning for this started 2 years ago. You guys just have a lot of theorycrafting catchup to do is all. Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal - Want to follow the latest scandals? @EVEAryth
Aryth GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1224	Posted - 2013.10.01 18:11:00 - [6] - Quote Aliath Sunstrike wrote: Aryth wrote: Nullsec gets handed siphons to steal moongoo and nullsec says nothing as that is funny what will promote some fun at the expense of our income. Highsec gets handed POCOS and flips out because they want to play farmville in peace without those nasty big alliances clubbing them over the head. The rabbit hole is much deeper than people seem to realize in this thread. We have three plans. Only one of which anyone is focusing on at this point. You should be worried far more about your fellow highsecer than us. While we are interested, this is fairly small income to us outside certain select cases. Worry more about your neighbors. The problem is (as always and in US history) is that the rich get richer and the poor get poorer and we all suffer from the short-sighted greed that is your master plan or that plan of anyone being so space-rich they run out of ideas except to terrorize other people. The answer lies in economics and math just as it always has. Anarchy isn't the way and Socialism (space carebears isn't either). Go ask Dr. E what he thinks of Nash and game theory. Einstein said it as well. Paraphrasing, "You do what is best for yourself AND the group and you get the optimal outcome. If we really are playing internet spaceships second life here, then that is THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER HERE. Any new CCP "feature" to come out should meet both these criterium. I don't disagree with most of what you said really. I spend a great deal of my "EVE" time inventing ways to make our collective richer, more secure, more powerful, or have more fun. So we do indeed pursue the optimal outcome for our group. Yes, if you are outside the group you will not benefit from those actions but all richness and content must come at the expense of something or someone. That is the nature of sandboxes and to some extent all MMO's. The major thing to remember is none of our plans are short sighted in the least. We just don't do that because it isn't efficient when trying to coordinate even our own alliance, much less CFC. Our plans are generally multi-year plans. Or research for plans. People need to take the time to really think about these changes with a long view. The kneejerk reactions happening in this thread are what is short sighted. Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal - Want to follow the latest scandals? @EVEAryth
Aryth GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1229	Posted - 2013.10.01 19:18:00 - [7] - Quote Around 10,400 planets but yes, a huge undertaking to just POCO them once. People can believe me or not. We do not intend to try to monopolize all the highsec pocos. Large effects on the system do not require that. No one should be worried about monopolies outside of certain specific criteria. Griefing, oh yes. Monopolies not so much. Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal - Want to follow the latest scandals? @EVEAryth
Aryth GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1231	Posted - 2013.10.01 19:35:00 - [8] - Quote Elana Maggal wrote: >> You've got to remember that these are just simple miners. These are people of the land. >> The common clay of New Eden. You know... morons. Yeah - common clay morons. That's the way we are viewed by the goon turds. Who seem to think a free market is getting CPP to creating sandbox rules that benefit them and **** everyone else over. How like the RL economy in the US. Well those plebs aren't going to oppress themselves. Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal - Want to follow the latest scandals? @EVEAryth
Aryth GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1231	Posted - 2013.10.01 20:27:00 - [9] - Quote JinSanJong wrote: moving more towards sociopaths online Fixed that for you Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal - Want to follow the latest scandals? @EVEAryth
Aryth GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1235	Posted - 2013.10.01 21:44:00 - [10] - Quote Elana Maggal wrote: Aryth wrote: JinSanJong wrote: moving more towards sociopaths online Fixed that for you New Acronymn: NSASO NSA Sociopaths online - secretly spying on your game play - to protect your freedom! They gotta up their spying game then. Where else but EVE can you communicate with hundreds of other players in hostile nations everyday and blend your signal into the noise? Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal - Want to follow the latest scandals? @EVEAryth

Aryth GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1243	Posted - 2013.10.02 17:26:00 - [11] - Quote None ofthe Above wrote: Weaselior wrote: None ofthe Above wrote: While you seem to think that things should be handed to the big guy. I believe he and others don't want to see the system itself simply pull something they have out of their hands and handed over to the biggest alliances. Given those opposing views, taking a stance somewhere in the middle would be the way to find balance, no? nothing is handed to us, we are merely the best and everyone is recognizing they will lose opposing us in a fair fight and is crying to be given a handicap rather than trying to beat us on a level playing field Sooooooo if GEWNS start bashing an Interbus CO, players can't defend it or fight you back unless they pay to wardec you. That fee is higher for large alliances like you than anyone else in the game. That's your idea of an even playing field? I like the proposal generally, I just want to see some details reconsidered. Yes actually. Given the level of income it would take to make us interested in a POCO for income purposes it is perfectly balanced to require a 500m wardec.. The strawman that OMG Goons are going to take every POCO is hilarious but not reality. It is almost like wardec fees are likely to scale based on the income level of the POCOs being held. Shocking concept I know. Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal - Want to follow the latest scandals? @EVEAryth
Aryth GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1244	Posted - 2013.10.02 18:20:00 - [12] - Quote None ofthe Above wrote: Aryth wrote: Yes actually. Given the level of income it would take to make us interested in a POCO for income purposes it is perfectly balanced to require a 500m wardec.. The strawman that OMG Goons are going to take every POCO is hilarious but not reality. It is almost like wardec fees are likely to scale based on the income level of the POCOs being held. Shocking concept I know. Amusingly, it's actually a strawman attack to bring up the strawman "that OMG Goons are going to take every POCO" with me, since that's not a claim I believe I ever made. I have other concerns that I elucidated, and I believe are far more realistic. Then your argument about wardec fees is pointless. Unless there are large entities holding some sizeable portion of highsec pocos, then arguing about their fees is a waste of time. Either Goons and our max wardec fee is an issue because we will hold a lot of POCOs, or it isn't because we won't. Or other entities with max fees or close to it. (not many exist) If you agree that it isn't realistic then why are we even talking about max fees? Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal - Want to follow the latest scandals? @EVEAryth
Aryth GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1244	Posted - 2013.10.02 18:41:00 - [13] - Quote None ofthe Above wrote: Aryth wrote: None ofthe Above wrote: Aryth wrote: Yes actually. Given the level of income it would take to make us interested in a POCO for income purposes it is perfectly balanced to require a 500m wardec.. The strawman that OMG Goons are going to take every POCO is hilarious but not reality. It is almost like wardec fees are likely to scale based on the income level of the POCOs being held. Shocking concept I know. Amusingly, it's actually a strawman attack to bring up the strawman "that OMG Goons are going to take every POCO" with me, since that's not a claim I believe I ever made. I have other concerns that I elucidated, and I believe are far more realistic. Then your argument about wardec fees is pointless. Unless there are large entities holding some sizeable portion of highsec pocos, then arguing about their fees is a waste of time. Either Goons and our max wardec fee is an issue because we will hold a lot of POCOs, or it isn't because we won't. Or other entities with max fees or close to it. (not many exist) If you agree that it isn't realistic then why are we even talking about max fees? You've made it clear you will be grabbing some enough to engage in griefing even according to some of your members at least. Other entities like RvB have also stated plans. It's part of the discussion, why are you bothering to deny it? If Goons don't find it worth their time, others will. This to me is not anti-goon discussion, it's a discussion about game mechanics. I have not denied anything. As stated before, I was the one that developed the plans. But even those plans require less than 2% of highsec POCOS at most. Even that is a stretch and HIGHLY unlikely. The game mechanics dictate that anyone big already has a fairly sizeable income stream thus far for their membership. That may not be alliance ISK and can take the form of membership ISK, but it is still income. So mechanics dictate that the only mega entities holding POCOs will be ones that find it attractive to do so from either an income generation perspective or for PVP opportunities. Frankly there are better PVP generators for mega entities but some of this will occur. The ISK/RISK reward will have various cutoff points for corp/alliance sizes. But with the sheer # of planets in highsec/highsec islands it is not practical within the current game mechanics to hold a large portion. People need sandcastles in EVE. PI has been a risk free wealth generator for quite some time now. We won't be the highsec PI boogeyman, but I sure hope a few dozen entities are. It will provide a natural progression path. Highsec (PI,Decs) -> Lowsec (PVP,FW) -> WH (Small scale warfare, POS) -> Null (Large Scale warfare/SOV) Will some people lose their risk free ISK machine? Yes Will they be able to relocate and find an appropriate tax location? Yes If anything people should be looking forward to taking some out of the way backwater POCO and setting their rate to 0% for their corp and charging others a modest tax. Why everyone is fixated on the Bloc/Alliance problem is beyond me. Fixate on what happens in other scenarios, not that one. Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal - Want to follow the latest scandals? @EVEAryth
Aryth GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1245	Posted - 2013.10.02 19:52:00 - [14] - Quote None ofthe Above wrote: Aryth wrote: I have not denied anything. As stated before, I was the one that developed the plans. But even those plans require less than 2% of highsec POCOS at most. Even that is a stretch and HIGHLY unlikely. The game mechanics dictate that anyone big already has a fairly sizeable income stream thus far for their membership. That may not be alliance ISK and can take the form of membership ISK, but it is still income. So mechanics dictate that the only mega entities holding POCOs will be ones that find it attractive to do so from either an income generation perspective or for PVP opportunities. Frankly there are better PVP generators for mega entities but some of this will occur. The ISK/RISK reward will have various cutoff points for corp/alliance sizes. But with the sheer # of planets in highsec/highsec islands it is not practical within the current game mechanics to hold a large portion. People need sandcastles in EVE. PI has been a risk free wealth generator for quite some time now. We won't be the highsec PI boogeyman, but I sure hope a few dozen entities are. It will provide a natural progression path. Highsec (PI,Decs) -> Lowsec (PVP,FW) -> WH (Small scale warfare, POS) -> Null (Large Scale warfare/SOV) Will some people lose their risk free ISK machine? Yes Will they be able to relocate and find an appropriate tax location? Yes If anything people should be looking forward to taking some out of the way backwater POCO and setting their rate to 0% for their corp and charging others a modest tax. Why everyone is fixated on the Bloc/Alliance problem is beyond me. Fixate on what happens in other scenarios, not that one. A wide variety of scenarios need to be examined, people "fixate" on the large alliance scenarios when talking to you because you are guiding the efforts of one, and your "nothing to see here; move along" line is utterly unconvincing. So you are looking at only 2% of all POCOs to suit your purposes? Yay. So you want to create local monopolies of certain types of planets. Nothing to see here; move along. Riiiiight. It's worth looking at these systems when a cartel forms that coordinates actions over a significant enough of these resources, don't you think? Or should we just ignore the lessons of technetium? This should definitely one of the areas considered for ANY feature of EVE Online. But by all means, champion any other concerns. Your analysis is likely to by highly valued. If you learned anything from technetium, or half a dozen other instances where either I personally, or we collectively carteled/profited/manipulated/griefed, it is that I just give you the straight truth. You can choose not to accept that truth and then wait for the after action evidence to prove it out. But in all things both myself and Mynnna speak the truth. This isn't out of some benevolence towards the individuals of EVE just because if you stack the deck enough well, it is funnier to just play the game out after calling the ball if you will. No mega entities are going to cartel highsec POCOS. You can run the #'s yourself and decide if it would be practical or not. We have, it isn't. The most efficient paths to impact the PI market do not require that. The effort to even attempt that method would demand the most complex undertaking in all of EVE's history. Equivalent to grinding all stations in null, a few times over. That effort would be far better spent carteling other areas of the game. I am not concerned about the other areas that our plans touch on as they will provide content for EVE and probably some good marketing for CCP. However, I expected a lot better tinfoil from the EVE community at this point than the OMG BLOBS are coming. Or the OMG CARTEL. If you listed out the top dozen or so possible cartels in EVE, and ranked them by ISK/EFFORT ratio, highsec POCOS would be at the bottom of the list as a whole. This is not to say the choice pieces of meat are not worth it. Those represent a very small portion of the total though. Easily avoided by anyone that chooses to do so. Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal - Want to follow the latest scandals? @EVEAryth
Aryth GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1249	Posted - 2013.10.03 14:42:00 - [15] - Quote Tex Steele wrote: This is yet another BOHICA (Bend OVer Here It Comes Again) moment From CCP to the players of EVE. This will severely damage the ability of single players and their alts to make ISK in the game by Running PI planets. I can see one or two big corps, like the Merc corps, sweeping through vast areas of Empire, killing and replacing the POCOS, then taxing the single players out of existence. A 1-person corporation will have ZERO chance of declaring war on one of the bigger corps and taking down or taking back all the POCOs. This move by CCP effectively Kills one aspect of the snigle player game in EVE. This is moving the game towards big corporations and more fighting. This is NOT a good thing for the single players and small corporations who depend upon PI as a primary source of income. It is a crying shame that CCP cares so little for the players who truly enjoy ALL aspects of this game other than PvP. I also have to ask: WHERE IS the CSM? After playing for several years, I am unconvinced that they are effectively representing our opinions. The only other alternative, which is more likely, is that CCP is simply not listening. This seems to be a pattern. Thanks for NOTHING CCP. Irony explosion. Demon WAR Lords indeed. Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal - Want to follow the latest scandals? @EVEAryth
Aryth GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1250	Posted - 2013.10.03 19:40:00 - [16] - Quote Weaselior wrote: Mel Hython wrote: WE REALLY NEED A TOOL TO DO BOYCOTT. PLEASE CREATE IT. If you want war every where, accept that the economical war is a way to do it. we can crush everyone everywhere but we are completely unable to create shell corporations or use npc alts You with your silly logic. I mean golly it is almost like they can not buy all things T2 now! Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal. Vile Rat: You're the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve.
Aryth GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1254	Posted - 2013.10.04 20:16:00 - [17] - Quote So we have gone from RABBLE RABBLE Goons gonna take over all of highsec. To they have a wardec shield because of the cost. Developing now into they are going to take all the plasmas! None of the above is accurate. But hey keep theorycrafting guys a couple posters in here got really close to the truth. Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal. Vile Rat: You're the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve.
Aryth GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1254	Posted - 2013.10.04 20:45:00 - [18] - Quote Johan March wrote: The veritable river of tears in this thread is amazing and worth the laugh. The best post is the FA guy crying over his hisec PI because PI in fountain is so terrible (unless that was a very good troll). I think he forgot to switch the character displayed. Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal. Vile Rat: You're the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve.