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Roczenjka	Posted - 2006.01.20 20:29:00 - [1] I shall defeat you with my shiney new sticks of Corsair 2gb RAM! I wonder if it will run faster. Got a new GCard too (one of them ATI thingies...) Item: Gecube ATI Radeon X1800XT 512mb DUAL DVI AVIVO PCI-E Qty: 1 Item: Samsung SM204T 20.1" TFT 16ms 700:1 (1600x1200) Monitor - Black (3 Year Warranty) Qty: 1 w00tage. Should now be able to run Eve as it was meant to. (got a crappy X300 at the moment, only 128mb). Hope it works in my motherboard :D to any techies here, i have a x300 16x pcie card so this 16x pcie should work ok, yes?
Nyphur	Posted - 2006.01.20 20:31:00 - [2] Victory \o/ Eve-Tanking.com - For the ultimate tanking spreadsheet and resources.
Sovereign1100	Posted - 2006.01.20 20:32:00 - [3] can't say that I do... But your 16ms response time flat panel sux. take it back and get a 4ms or less. =) I recomend the NEC gx2. Its sexy.
Roczenjka	Posted - 2006.01.20 20:34:00 - [4] Originally by: Sovereign1100 can't say that I do... But your 16ms response time flat panel sux. take it back and get a 4ms or less. =) I recomend the NEC gx2. Its sexy. And a bit more expensive to boot ;) Well response times... I dont really notice anything in them. I've got a 17 inch with a 3x ms response time and halflife 2 and CSS work fine. 25ms is good enough for me :) I got my tv connected up to the pc for dvds and even when watching them on screen, I dont really notice anything bad. I've never (AFAIK) experienced "ghosting". :)
Macro Slasher	Posted - 2006.01.20 20:38:00 - [5] Originally by: Sovereign1100 can't say that I do... But your 16ms response time flat panel sux. take it back and get a 4ms or less. =) The measurement of the response time is not standardized. It's just to fool stupid buyers, just as the big screaming "MHz" measurements. Quality is still quality and crap is crap and you can't see it from any number such as "response time".
SengH	Posted - 2006.01.20 20:38:00 - [6] bah get the new 3007 FPW from dell.. 30" LCD for only $1500
Luther Kincaid	Posted - 2006.01.20 20:40:00 - [7] Originally by: Macro Slasher Originally by: Sovereign1100 can't say that I do... But your 16ms response time flat panel sux. take it back and get a 4ms or less. =) The measurement of the response time is not standardized. It's just to fool stupid buyers, just as the big screaming "MHz" measurements. Quality is still quality and crap is crap and you can't see it from any number such as "response time". The Human eye can't see anything happening faster than 30 Hz (33ms) whether the monitor is 16ms response time or 4ms makes no difference 'cause you'd have to be superhuman to notice ------------------------------------------- He's NOT the Jovian ambassador, He's a very Naughty boy!
Rutoo	Posted - 2006.01.20 20:42:00 - [8] I killed my Memory leak by replacing my 768 MB DDR Ram with 2 nice OCZ sticks duel channel only 1 gig total, but it increased my PC preforemce alot, and yes i did the beanchmarks :P ______________________________________________ You Put Something like that in your Sig Again and I ban you -- Oveur
Maya Rkell	Posted - 2006.01.20 20:44:00 - [9] Uhm. The eye cannot see is different from "the eye does not notice", since your eye is not synched with the monitor, and the eyes "refresh" works in a very different way from a monitors. In practice, a rate of 85-100Hz for CRT's and 60Hz for LCD's eliminates any and all perceptable flicker. Response times for changes can be percieved as low as 6-8ms. Remember that the figure quoted for a LCD response time is often HIGHLY misleading as to actual game performance. --------------------------------------------------------------- Warning: above post may contain traces of sarcasm.
Kouh Lehl	Posted - 2006.01.20 20:49:00 - [10] I just use a 50" plasma sceen. Never could understand why ppl complain bout the font size.
Winterblink	Posted - 2006.01.20 20:49:00 - [11] Oh here we go, the human eye this, the human eye that, who gives a frack. What I want to know is, 512M? WHY?! winterblink warp drive active.http://winterblink.com/wda nature vraie.http://winterblink.com/env
Kouh Lehl	Posted - 2006.01.20 20:51:00 - [12] Originally by: Winterblink Oh here we go, the human eye this, the human eye that, who gives a frack. WDA looks better!
Roczenjka	Posted - 2006.01.20 20:51:00 - [13] Originally by: Winterblink Oh here we go, the human eye this, the human eye that, who gives a frack. What I want to know is, 512M? WHY?! Because I've never had a top of the range card before. This should last me a good couple of years and still be mid-range or so by then. I hope :D
Macro Slasher	Posted - 2006.01.20 20:56:00 - [14] Originally by: Luther Kincaid Originally by: Macro Slasher Originally by: Sovereign1100 can't say that I do... But your 16ms response time flat panel sux. take it back and get a 4ms or less. =) The measurement of the response time is not standardized. It's just to fool stupid buyers, just as the big screaming "MHz" measurements. Quality is still quality and crap is crap and you can't see it from any number such as "response time". The Human eye can't see anything happening faster than 30 Hz (33ms) whether the monitor is 16ms response time or 4ms makes no difference 'cause you'd have to be superhuman to notice Actually, the nerve stimulus stream from the eye to the brain is not synchronized at all, it's a stream that just goes on and on. That kind of changes things on how he perceive our surroundings... At the same time at best the human eye/brain (under ideal circumstances, with the focus on the task) can even sense one single photon that hits the proper parts of the eye.. So talking about some magical "Hz" limit is just rubbish. (For instance US Airforce concluded that their simulators must get way past 250fps to start being at least close to "real" when stimulating the brain to interpret movement..) But on what comes to the monitors, it's anyways more important to get rid of the misleading things such as smearing, ghosting, rainbow color effects etc. Most of the really important issues with the human eye/brain and the TFT panels aren't actually measured by any of the done "statistics" of the sold monitors at all.
Maya Rkell	Posted - 2006.01.20 20:59:00 - [15] Actually, past 100Hz on a monitor, you start seeing shifting "artifacts" (this is due to the brain's processing of the data, not the eye. 250Hz would be basically unwatchable. There are other ways to simulate streaming. The 30Hz "limit" comes from the number of changes an individual nerve cell can make in a second. --------------------------------------------------------------- Warning: above post may contain traces of sarcasm.
SengH	Posted - 2006.01.20 20:59:00 - [16] DUDE RETURN THAT CARD ASAP... ATI just released the X1900.. well you can buy it already at some stores even though it hasnt officially launched yet. They tripled the pixel shaders from 12 in the X1800 to 48 in the X1900. If your playing newer games thats a HUGE difference.
Winterblink	Posted - 2006.01.20 21:12:00 - [17] Originally by: Roczenjka Originally by: Winterblink Oh here we go, the human eye this, the human eye that, who gives a frack. What I want to know is, 512M? WHY?! Because I've never had a top of the range card before. This should last me a good couple of years and still be mid-range or so by then. I hope :D Yeah, provided that over the next couple of years they don't invent a new way of doing things. Shader tech's relatively new, and the card I bought just a couple years ago doesn't do diddly with new games like HL2. Well, it runs it, but nowhere near as well as a highend card will. Time for Blinky to upgrade, but I think I'll probably stick with a 128 or 256m card. :) winterblink warp drive active.http://winterblink.com/wda nature vraie.http://winterblink.com/env
Roczenjka	Posted - 2006.01.20 22:03:00 - [18] Originally by: SengH DUDE RETURN THAT CARD ASAP... ATI just released the X1900.. well you can buy it already at some stores even though it hasnt officially launched yet. They tripled the pixel shaders from 12 in the X1800 to 48 in the X1900. If your playing newer games thats a HUGE difference. nah, by the time I do, a new card will be out with 56 or 64... you cant sit there waiting for the next big thing to come out because by the time it does, it's out of date :)
Azaeren	Posted - 2006.01.20 22:11:00 - [19] the monitor you got is fine. dont listen to people who think anything other then the most expensive is useless. 16ms is perfectly fine for eve. hell, my 16ms is perfectly fine for every shooter i play. day of defeat, battlefield2, etc. ------------------------------------------ Whine Whine Whine Cry Cry Cry Goes the Carebear mating call http://killboard.eve-extra.com/show_player.php?id=6247
digitalwanderer	Posted - 2006.01.20 22:15:00 - [20] I Can't really notice ghosting on my 24" LCD(samsung 244T),which is rated at 6ms response time(gray to gray though)...Should be about 12~16 ms by ISO standards... As far as video cards go,i'm currently running a dual 7800 GT SLI setup(EVE runs super smooth at 1920 x 1200 resolution with 4x anti- aliasing enbled),so i won't be needing new cards anytime soon,and a setup at least 2x faster won't be available soon either,especially for the price paid(325$ each card)...
Donis Ardis	Posted - 2006.01.20 22:21:00 - [21] Hey, a memory leak is a memory leak, no matter how much sand you put in the bag, its still gona run out. Had my client on 6hrs yesterday jumping from place to place on deliveries etc, maybe 70-100 jumps in all and my client went over 1GB memory usage. /me hugs my 20" widescreen dell. It does me fine.
Donis Ardis	Posted - 2006.01.20 22:22:00 - [22] Originally by: digitalwanderer I Can't really notice ghosting on my 24" LCD(samsung 244T),which is rated at 6ms response time(gray to gray though)...Should be about 12~16 ms by ISO standards... As far as video cards go,i'm currently running a dual 7800 GT SLI setup(EVE runs super smooth at 1920 x 1200 resolution with 4x anti- aliasing enbled),so i won't be needing new cards anytime soon,and a setup at least 2x faster won't be available soon either,especially for the price paid(325$ each card)... Are you the same digitalwanderer from eliteb*****ds.com ?
Darkdashing	Posted - 2006.01.20 22:34:00 - [23] Edited by: Darkdashing on 20/01/2006 22:35:34 Originally by: Roczenjka I shall defeat you with my shiney new sticks of Corsair 2gb RAM! I wonder if it will run faster. Got a new GCard too (one of them ATI thingies...) Item: Gecube ATI Radeon X1800XT 512mb DUAL DVI AVIVO PCI-E Qty: 1 Item: Samsung SM204T 20.1" TFT 16ms 700:1 (1600x1200) Monitor - Black (3 Year Warranty) Qty: 1 w00tage. Should now be able to run Eve as it was meant to. (got a crappy X300 at the moment, only 128mb). Hope it works in my motherboard :D to any techies here, i have a x300 16x pcie card so this 16x pcie should work ok, yes? I made a post about this, I tried disabling my pagefile (you can't so i made it small and fixed) with 2gigs of freshly install RAM and I notice the mem-leak problem to be gone There is beauty in tension....
Aduras Cartailin	Posted - 2006.01.20 23:20:00 - [24] Originally by: Winterblink What I want to know is, 512M? WHY?! Doom 3, FEAR, and The new Far Cry expansion all use very high texture resolutions that need that much memory for max texture settings. Of course I'd just go with the lower texture settings and a cheaper card. Originally by: Winterblink Yeah, provided that over the next couple of years they don't invent a new way of doing things. Shader tech's relatively new, and the card I bought just a couple years ago doesn't do diddly with new games like HL2. Well, it runs it, but nowhere near as well as a highend card will. Time for Blinky to upgrade, but I think I'll probably stick with a 128 or 256m card. :) The Leadtek 6600 GT TDH is an exceptional card for the price (available in both PCI-Express and AGP). It also overclocks astonishingly well (15% puts it nearly on par with an average 6800 GT). If you want something better and have PCI-Express then the Leadtek 7800 GT TDH is the way to go.
Kurren	Posted - 2006.01.20 23:39:00 - [25] Originally by: SengH DUDE RETURN THAT CARD ASAP... ATI just released the X1900.. well you can buy it already at some stores even though it hasnt officially launched yet. They tripled the pixel shaders from 12 in the X1800 to 48 in the X1900. If your playing newer games thats a HUGE difference. Dude! All this talk about science and math in this thread and you don't know 12 X 4! ************************************************* Sobakai Resources, here for you!
ErrorS	Posted - 2006.01.21 00:31:00 - [26] lol, nice catch with the 'tripled' and the 30hz thing is bull****. You would struggle to find a gamer who can't tell the difference between 30 and 60fps.. err, unless they're people trying to justify having crappy PCs that can't get over 30fps in Eve Online? ________ I'm strict Caldari "The grass is always greener on the other side" - Maybe they're not as uber as you think? -ErrorS
Amarr Traders	Posted - 2006.01.21 00:39:00 - [27] Actually today I received an 'AG Neovo F417' 17" TFT, and I must say, it's a lot more spiffeh than my olf HP 15" TFT. Also, my brother, completely unrelated, purchased the F419, and is happy a punch with it. So there goes, cheap TFT 4tw!
Irongut	Posted - 2006.01.23 16:58:00 - [28] Originally by: Darkdashing I made a post about this, I tried disabling my pagefile (you can't so i made it small and fixed) with 2gigs of freshly install RAM and I notice the mem-leak problem to be gone Can I point out it doesn't matter how much, how fast or how expensive the new RAM you just fitted was it will not fix a memory leak. And fiddling with your page file is just a complex way to waste your time (unless it's Windows leaking + not Eve). A memory leak is a programming bug, you can't fix it without changing the code.

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