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Grand Master Horm
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Posted - 2006.01.21 01:56:00 -
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The great Amarr Empire was founded to cultivate the spirit of man. To do so the enemies of the outside had to be defeated and the enemies of the inside controlled.
-- The Scriptures, Book I
Truth always prevails.
The content of the scriptures delivered is nothing that can be hidden or covered up. The true word of God cannot be masked by any passage of time. The Theology Council knows this; they had no choice but to let the Privy Council learn the true origin of the scriptures that have been kept in front of them for over a year. The decision to suspend the decree which kept us in hiding is evidence that the teachings for the past 1300 years have been flawed and our faith as many know it is corrupted.
The Empire has for some time been without an Emperor as lord and Sheppard to his people. This is a sign from God, and a symbol of our wayward path from his true words. To be without our Emperor and walk in the dark is a test for us all, yet we as a people must look to our collective selves for inspiration. Through our works, we shall show God that we are truly worthy his forgiveness.
Order of St. Tetrimon has now returned to Amarr space. We have chosen one of our old systems as base of operation. I call upon our brothers and sisters to make contact with me for further details.
May God's divine grace shine upon you all.
Grand Master Groven Horm
Order of St. Tetrimon
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Camar
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Posted - 2006.01.21 02:17:00 -
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I thank you Master Horm for making our quest easier.
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Karl Mattar
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Posted - 2006.01.21 02:18:00 -
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I wish you luck in your endeavours, Grand Master.
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Cygnus Arnimane
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Posted - 2006.01.21 02:31:00 -
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Religion (emulation of adults by the child) encysts past mythologies: guesses, hidden assumptions of trust in the universe, pronouncements made in search of personal power, all mingled with shreds of enlightenment. And always an unspoken commandment: Thou shalt not question! We break that commandment daily in the harnessing of human imagination to our deepest creativity.
The journey is the reward.
Tao Proverb |
Arderich
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Posted - 2006.01.21 02:38:00 -
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 Originally by: Grand Master Horm
The decision to suspend the decree which kept us in hiding is evidence that the teachings for the past 1300 years have been flawed and our faith as many know it is corrupted.
Interesting. I would like to hear which passages of the scriptures had been corrupted during the last 1300 years.
Originally by: Grand Master Horm
The Empire has for some time been without an Emperor as lord and Sheppard to his people. This is a sign from God, and a symbol of our wayward path from his true words.
I neither followed Heideran nor Doriam. As a Dark Amarr I do believe Khanid II is Gods chosen one although he never called himself Emperor or Gods chosen one.
The Bruderschaft helped Tetrimon from the very beginning because of our own political interests. In the absence of my mentor Ardor and without guidance of my beloved King Khanid II I can not promise to proceed the support for Tetrimon because I fear there might come a conflict of interests in near future. Nevertheless my first impression is: the success of Tetrimon seems to be a good sign for Gods chosen people.
Arderich, substituting Ardor, CEO of the Bruderschaft des Wahrhaftigen
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Curse Hawkins
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Posted - 2006.01.21 03:12:00 -
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more amarr folly works, praise to the minmatar resistance, for with hope they will destroy these clowns at the same time of breaking the shackles of slavery and other misguided "cultivations" of man these scum honour
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Lord Artemis
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Posted - 2006.01.21 03:17:00 -
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Grand Master Horm,
Representatives from Aegis Militia will be in contact.
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Aegis Militia Diplomatic Relations Officer
C.E.O. of SHOD
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theRaptor
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Posted - 2006.01.21 05:28:00 -
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Originally by: Cygnus Arnimane
Religion (emulation of adults by the child) encysts past mythologies: guesses, hidden assumptions of trust in the universe, pronouncements made in search of personal power, all mingled with shreds of enlightenment. And always an unspoken commandment: Thou shalt not question! We break that commandment daily in the harnessing of human imagination to our deepest creativity.
You cannot question truth, imbecile. The search for the True Faith is the path of questioning the lies that the elite fabricate to give legitimacy to their power.
I am very glad the order of St Tetrimon has returned to the Holy Empire. Now the corruption and deciet of the ages can be swept aside, and the chosen of God shall reign once again.
I don't think you trust, in, my, self-righteous suicide. |
Cygnus Arnimane
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Posted - 2006.01.21 07:07:00 -
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Edited by: Cygnus Arnimane on 21/01/2006 07:07:37
Originally by: theRaptor
You cannot question truth, imbecile. The search for the True Faith is the path of questioning the lies that the elite fabricate to give legitimacy to their power.
I am very glad the order of St Tetrimon has returned to the Holy Empire. Now the corruption and deciet of the ages can be swept aside, and the chosen of God shall reign once again.
You are correct. Out of the many that claim, that have claimed, and have yet to claim to be speaking the word of God, I do not know which speaks the truth. I do not doubt the word of God, only those that claim to speak for God.
I will quote another saying of the same studied author perhaps not on the approved religious material list.
Humans are born with a susceptibility to that most persistent and debilitating disease of intellect: self-deception. The best of all possible worlds and the worst get their dramatic coloration from it. As nearly as we can determine, there is no natural immunity. Constant alertness is required.
The journey is the reward.
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Halunoto Vankaalen
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Posted - 2006.01.21 07:08:00 -
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Originally by: Curse Hawkins
more amarr folly works, praise to the minmatar resistance, for with hope they will destroy these clowns at the same time of breaking the shackles of slavery and other misguided "cultivations" of man these scum honour
Praise to the Minmatar who invade our territories? Praise their work against the Empire, a valued trading partner of the State and an ally against the Minmatar/Gallente alliance?
*spits*
The Amarr are far more noble people, I can't believe a GDBT member is praising the terrorists...
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Mazer Kt'luthid
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Posted - 2006.01.21 07:34:00 -
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Edited by: Mazer Kt''luthid on 21/01/2006 07:34:07
Grand Master Horm, I'd bow before you but unfortunately I am covered in ectoplasmic goo at the present moment. As for your homecoming, I am pleased to see this peice of news, the Tetrimon Order shall prevail. I have already sent you a FTL message, it should be waiting for you in your Inbox. If there is anything that requires my assistance, I shall aid without second question.
Truth always prevails, and I am sure the Empire will see the it for our efforts have not been in vain. I will be waiting for your response.
For St. Tetrimon!
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-Templar Oraculum Dei e Tetrimon- |
Kyoko Sakoda
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Posted - 2006.01.21 07:36:00 -
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Originally by: Halunoto Vankaalen
The Amarr are far more noble people, I can't believe a GDBT member is praising the terrorists...
The illusion of self-righteousness is a noble feature?
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Mikha'il Pelegius
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Posted - 2006.01.21 07:39:00 -
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Grand Master,
It is indeed glorious to see the Order return to it's rightful place in the Empire. You have my sword and service to assist the Order in any way nessessary, even if it means my removal from the Imperial Navy. I have sent a letter of comminication directly to your inbox and await your instructions for service. The time for the truth to be revealed and the Empire brought to it's former glory through God's acceptance is now. God wills it.
Humbly,
Mikha'il Pelegius
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Darius Shakor
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Posted - 2006.01.21 10:44:00 -
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Originally by: Halunoto Vankaalen
Originally by: Curse Hawkins
more amarr folly works, praise to the minmatar resistance, for with hope they will destroy these clowns at the same time of breaking the shackles of slavery and other misguided "cultivations" of man these scum honour
Praise to the Minmatar who invade our territories? Praise their work against the Empire, a valued trading partner of the State and an ally against the Minmatar/Gallente alliance?
*spits*
The Amarr are far more noble people, I can't believe a GDBT member is praising the terrorists...
I find it saddly ironic that a Caldari finds nobility in a society based on subjugation.
As for the Tetrimon, it does not matter who's word is right and who's is corrupted. Something that is rotten to the core as your religion can have no place in this universe.
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Corrinus Amarras
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Posted - 2006.01.21 11:05:00 -
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It does not suprise me to see the Order's finally returning to where it belongs now that we are without a leader. And I am much pleased with this developement. The Amarrian people have forgotten about the true power of their race. But they are not to be blamed. Their faith has been corrupted under the reigns of Heideran and Doriam. But now things have changed, now we have the possibility to lead our people back to the old ways, the true faith! Time has come for the Amarrian people to rise up to new strength and power!
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Khan Rodak
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Posted - 2006.01.21 11:21:00 -
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Manu Dei religious order, as followers of St. Tetrimon teachings and suporters of St. Tetrimon traditon, salutes and welcomes Grand Master Horm and St. Tetrimon Order back in empire.
We shall meet soon. A Manu Dei delegation will move to Thakala sistem as soon as possible and pay the honours St. Tetrimon Order deservs.
Your words are wise. May you path be enlightned.
Pledging before God to assist St. Tetrimon.
May God bless our path.
Khan Rodak
Manu Dei Religious Order
Congregatio Executorium Officiarius
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Tsual
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Posted - 2006.01.21 11:39:00 -
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Originally by: Halunoto Vankaalen
Minmatar/Gallente alliance
Is this the only political topic caldari know at the moment?
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Halunoto Vankaalen
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Posted - 2006.01.21 12:18:00 -
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Originally by: Tsual
Originally by: Halunoto Vankaalen
Minmatar/Gallente alliance
Is this the only political topic caldari know at the moment?
We find it brings more variety to the Summit, to get away from all that "GRAAH AMARR BURN" trash that's recycled periodically.
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Khaldorn Murino
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Posted - 2006.01.21 12:33:00 -
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Quote:
Preliminary investigation into the Roushzar atrocities, where hundreds of freed slave children where killed, suggest that a small fanatical Amarrian religious cult may be to blame ... The cult, called Tetrimon
We have not forgotten. If I catch any of you scum in space, you will find yourself praying fervently.
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Sarkos
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Posted - 2006.01.21 13:20:00 -
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Originally by: Khaldorn Murino
Edited by: Khaldorn Murino on 21/01/2006 12:41:03
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Preliminary investigation into the Roushzar atrocities, where hundreds of freed slave children where killed, suggest that a small fanatical Amarrian religious cult may be to blame ... The cult, called Tetrimon
We have not forgotten. If i catch one of you bastards in space, you will wish you prayed harder. Alot harder.
On the day we Minmatar hunted those responsible down, it even gave myself, a self expressed humanitarian, pleasure in destroying those rabid dogs. With Tetrimon back now, we Minmatar will check our weapons, ready our ships and polish our Khumaaks, for they are the worse of the worse, and death is all that is due them.
Either free the slaves or we will come and get them.
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Verone
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Posted - 2006.01.21 13:36:00 -
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Ah wonderful, More brainwashed Amarrian idiots, feverishy devoted to an entity who's existance they cannot prove.
This only means one thing. More targets to shoot at.
You Sir, have just made my day.
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Laocoon
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Posted - 2006.01.21 15:01:00 -
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hmm, i've heard of the Tetrimon Cult. We shall soon see if they are as 'high and mighty' as they make themselves out to be.
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Shemar
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Posted - 2006.01.21 15:02:00 -
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Originally by: theRaptor
You cannot question truth, imbecile.
Ibecile would tend to describe one that wastes their life believing fairy tales and not looking at the universe with open eyes.
All religions have two basic tenets:
1. There is life after death. That is the hook. It serves to alleviate humanity's most base fear, the fear of death and also sets you up for the scam part.
2. Spend your whole life doing what I tell you, without question or any kind of reward/payout, and you will be rewarded after death. It is the ultimate scam, as dead customers cannot ask for their money back.
I am still waiting to see if there will ever be a religion not selling exactly what the happless victims want to buy...
Enhanced eye sight does not make up for the lack of vision
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Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2006.01.21 15:47:00 -
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We in PIE are monitoring the situation carefully, and will be announcing our policy at the appropriate moment.
In the meantime, should Grand Master Horm or any other interested parties wish to contact me, my office comms channel is always open.
Dolce et decorum est pro imperator mori |
Soratah
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Posted - 2006.01.21 17:00:00 -
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Originally by: Shemar
Originally by: theRaptor
You cannot question truth, imbecile.
Ibecile would tend to describe one that wastes their life believing fairy tales and not looking at the universe with open eyes.
All religions have two basic tenets:
1. There is life after death. That is the hook. It serves to alleviate humanity's most base fear, the fear of death and also sets you up for the scam part.
2. Spend your whole life doing what I tell you, without question or any kind of reward/payout, and you will be rewarded after death. It is the ultimate scam, as dead customers cannot ask for their money back.
I am still waiting to see if there will ever be a religion not selling exactly what the happless victims want to buy...
Considering that many Amarrian pod pilots proscribe to their faith I can make the obvious assumption that there must be other reasons for them and myself to proscribe to such doctrine.
Considering for many of us there IS in fact life after death and we're still believers serves to highlight the fallacy in your argument.
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Kaeleron
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Posted - 2006.01.21 17:03:00 -
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One should always question the truth. For the truth is impervious to questioning and infallible. The truth does not fear questions.
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Shemar
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Posted - 2006.01.21 17:19:00 -
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Originally by: Soratah
Considering for many of us there IS in fact life after death and we're still believers serves to highlight the fallacy in your argument.
Believing something because it is more convenient, comfortable or safe for you, does not make it true, it only makes you a fool.
Enhanced eye sight does not make up for the lack of vision
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Mazer Kt'luthid
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Posted - 2006.01.21 18:14:00 -
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Originally by: Shemar
Originally by: Soratah
Considering for many of us there IS in fact life after death and we're still believers serves to highlight the fallacy in your argument.
Believing something because it is more convenient, comfortable or safe for you, does not make it true, it only makes you a fool.
And going out of your way to disbelieve it just to try and prove a point, is even more foolish. For someone who puts beauty and worldly obsessions before anything else, you sure think you have life all figured out. You should go over your own life before critisizing another's.
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ghanimede
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Posted - 2006.01.21 19:49:00 -
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It is with a sad heart that i read of Horm's attempts to rally a people who are reluctant to continue to follow the savage path of a dying empire.
I would instead rejoice in the knowledge that at last recognition of the error of past way's is taking place, and groups are choosing to surrender to the only true path forward, the path of freedom for all peoples, is at last taking place.
Do not be swayed by this misguided individuals efforts to drag you back into the ways of slavery and cruelty, move forward, continue to reject your past, free your slaves and abolish the attack's upon the upstanding corporations who fight for the release of all our brothers and sisters in captivity.
If when you finally reach the end of your lives you believe your actions will result in your rewards, then think carefully on how you treat your fellow man, for this may be your just deserves.
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Bastables
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Posted - 2006.01.21 21:04:00 -
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My support for the untainted scriptures remains as always.
Through my actions I aid in making right the injustices created by man.
Be reclaimed, and be loved
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Archbishop
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Posted - 2006.01.22 00:47:00 -
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I await with great interest the revelations of these scriptures. While the suspension of the Order of Tetrimon has been allowed temporary return to Amarrian space only when all scriptures have been revealed and Amarr has a new Emperor will the ultimate fate of the Order be decided.
As a servant of God and Amarr I follow the path laid out in scriptures as directed by our Emperor. With the passing of Doriam II our future is temporarily uncertain. Rest assured though this uncertainty will not taint nor weaken the will of Gods followers.
As the validity of the Tetrimon scriptures are revealed and proven or disproved the future of our glourious Empire will be revealed. Still without the guidance of an Emperor to speak as Gods chosen I must view any and all attempts at major change with a cautious eye.
I have waited ages for the Tetrimon scriptures to be authenticated or disproven. This announcement does nothing to verify their truth and thus the position of the Tetrimon is still "unproven" in the eyes of Gods followers.
Only with a new Emperor will Amarr be whole. Only then will the ultimate judgement of these scriptures be made. It was an Emperor who banned the Order of Tetrimon from Amarrian space and only an Emperor can totally remove the ban. This temporary reprieve is just that, temporary, and those faithful to God and Empire must remember there are those who would seek to undo our greatness and sabotage our futures. What better way then with false words and hopes?
I welcome the Order of Tetrimon back to Amarr. But I do so with a cautious eye and will watch with great interest the developments ahead. Only when our Emperor speaks will we have the final word on the matter. Until then nothing has changed and the Tetrimon scriptures are yet to be proven factual. Only when the Theology Council reveals their secrets and our Emperor confirms they are the words representative of Gods will will our path become clear.
Hail Amarr. Amarr Victor!
Archbishop
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Mikha'il Pelegius
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Posted - 2006.01.22 01:25:00 -
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Quote:
Only when our Emperor speaks will we have the final word on the matter.
And if the Emperor goes against the will of God?
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theRaptor
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Posted - 2006.01.22 03:12:00 -
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Originally by: Mikha'il Pelegius
Quote:
Only when our Emperor speaks will we have the final word on the matter.
And if the Emperor goes against the will of God?
A manu dei e tet rimon.
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Darth Revanant
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Posted - 2006.01.22 04:43:00 -
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Having personally served Grand Master Elata Ardo, I look forward to working closely with the Order of St. Tetrimon again and furthering the readoption of the true Scriptures, should they be proven so.
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Gaven Lok'ri
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Posted - 2006.01.22 04:57:00 -
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It is with some reservation that I watch your return Grandmaster.
Your order has the ability to be a great force for the word of God in the Amarran Empire, yet I worry at times that it is so caught in the past that it would attempt to repeat the mistakes of Heideran's reign without learning anything from them.
I believe, as did Heideran by the end of his reign, that the defeat at the hands of the Jovians was a clear cut sign from God that the time for an Amarran Peace had replaced the time for conquest. For our God blessed Empire to best accomplish the will of God, said Empire must survive intact.
Thousands of years ago God punished an Emperor for not acting when the time for war had arrived, and for thousands more years our people followed the course of warfare. Yet, what is the battle agaisnt the Jovians but a punishment for not acting when the correct time for peace had arrived? Would it not then be sacrelidge for us to ignore such a clear cut sign, one that even the emperor Heideran recognised as existing, and instead act as if nothing had changed?
If the Order of Tetrimon is willing to work to preserve the Amarran people, if it is willing to save as many Amarran lives as is humanely possible... then I welcome them with open arms into the Amarran fold. If it wishes to create a circumstance that would endanger amarran lives needlessly, then I must oppose them.
I sincerly hope that it is the first of these that the order will concern itself with, and if it is the case or if they wish any clarification of the above then I cordially invite them to contact myself to discuss how best our two organisations can work together.
Admiral Gaven Lok'ri
CEO PIE inc.
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Krethis Marl
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Posted - 2006.01.22 05:02:00 -
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Grand Master Horm, it is a blessing to see the Order return to the empire. We have prayed for what seems like an eternity to be reunited with you.
Manu Dei stands by your side.
May God light your path
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Kular
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Posted - 2006.01.22 07:53:00 -
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As a devoted follower of House Sarum I await the return of Tetrimon and what they have to say. I hope the theology council can continue their work on verifying the rest of the Tetrimon scriptures, as like all Amarrians I am very interested in what they have to say.
Tetrimon has my support and the support of my brothers and sisters as well!
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Corrinus Amarras
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Posted - 2006.01.22 11:27:00 -
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Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri
Thousands of years ago God punished an Emperor for not acting when the time for war had arrived, and for thousands more years our people followed the course of warfare. Yet, what is the battle agaisnt the Jovians but a punishment for not acting when the correct time for peace had arrived? Would it not then be sacrelidge for us to ignore such a clear cut sign, one that even the emperor Heideran recognised as existing, and instead act as if nothing had changed?
The time for peace is over, my friend! I feel a great tension in our galaxy, the Gallente/Minmatar alliance has become a real threat to us, and the Caldari are not to be trusted. A time of war will come, and thats why Doriam had to go. As someone else already pointed out, the assassination of Doriam was a clear sign that he was not choosen by god. He was weak and foolish. He will be replaced by a strong leader who knows how to lead his people through the harsh times that will come!
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Grand Master Horm
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Posted - 2006.01.22 18:08:00 -
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Grand Master Elata Ardo once said that ôEvidence is all around you, the Empire is weakö. This is even more true today compared to one and a half years ago.
The Moral Reforms, and later the creation of Khanid Kingdom, are only the first events that lead to where we are today. We are no longer a united people and only when walking together can the reclaiming be accomplished. God told the Amarrian people to bring all into the light of his Glory.
We all have to reconsider the foundation our Empire stands upon today. I can understand PIE and their caution; you have always been loyal to the Emperor and his words û even when you have been in doubt. With time you shall understand the transgressions Emperor Doriam II made and that his downfall was inevitable. If he had been guided by the hand of God he would not have give tribute to the ignoble. A man led by God will never consider others equals unless they prove themselves deserving.
Many have asked for proof and to see the scriptures. You should know that we will only show those who show true faith. Such is the knowledge in them it has to be carefully handed to those worthy wielding it. The Manu Dei are worthy, you have always had our trust. With time more of you will see the truth and you will not need to ask for confirmation except in your faith
The Theology Council will never reveal what passages in the scriptures that have been authenticated. They fear what is to come.
We are the guardians of the true word - ensuring that the word of God is spoken truly.
Grand Master Groven Horm
Order of St. Tetrimon
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Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2006.01.22 18:13:00 -
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Originally by: Grand Master Horm
The Theology Council will never reveal what passages in the scriptures that have been authenticated. They fear what is to come.
With all due respect, Grand Master Horm, if the Theology Council were so afraid of the Tetrimon manuscripts, why would they urge the privy Council to temporarily revoke your exile?
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Grand Master Horm
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Posted - 2006.01.22 18:26:00 -
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I am certain that the Theology Council tried to stop the Privy Council as much as they could in this matter. The Privy Council understands that they canÆt hide the truth and that past wrongdoings have to be rectified.
In the light of recent event we can only hope that the Privy Council are no longer puppets to the Theology Council, since they would rather see us perish then let us reclaim our position in the Empire once more.
Grand Master Groven Horm
Order of St. Tetrimon
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Arderich
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Posted - 2006.01.22 19:47:00 -
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Grand Master Horm, your words give us new hope.
The dark amarrian Bruderschaft supported Tetrimon in the past for our own political goals. This three goals still are: bring back conservative values to the Empire to enable a reunification with the Empire to gain the strength for the reclaiming. In this particular order.
With a stronger position of Tetrimon in the Empire we are getting closer to our second goal. But this is not up to us to decide. We know our place in the Khanid Kingdom and our loyality towards King Khanid II remains unquestionable. He always guided us safely through this testing times. He never gave us a reason to question his authority. We will continue to follow his wisdom.
Without knowledge about your scriptures and without knowledge about what happened in the past during the Moral Reform and during the split of Khanid from the Empire, I do not have facts to justify to make my own decisions. My feeling tells me it would be right to follow you. I am an Amarr but not an animal which follows its instincts so I must ignore my feelings.
I can understand the position of PIE. The Bruderschaft is in a similar situation. We will wait to hear what others have to say. We will wait for more facts.
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Darth Revanant
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Posted - 2006.01.22 19:52:00 -
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Grand Master Horm, you've begun to gain support even among those who once hunted your order within the Empire. Do not throw away the goodwill you are being shown now. Your comments sound as if you are not even giving the Theology Council a chance, nor are you giving the Privy Council its due respect for lifting your exile. You also sound slightly happy at the death of Doriam II, which could lead to you or your Order being suspect in his assassination.
While I didn't particularly care for Doriam's methods, he did begin to turn around at the end, declaring war on and expelling the Blood Raider Covenant from Imperial borders. The latest events have set us in motion in a positive direction. Don't disrupt in until and unless it starts to turn against you. Let the Theology Council do its work, however painfully slow. Let the Privy Council keep its current course of re-evaluating recent past practices. Wait until something actually goes wrong to cry foul, or your words will be dismissed by those we need to reach most.
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The Cosmopolite
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Posted - 2006.01.22 19:57:00 -
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Originally by: Grand Master Horm
I am certain that the Theology Council tried to stop the Privy Council as much as they could in this matter. The Privy Council understands that they canÆt hide the truth and that past wrongdoings have to be rectified.
In the light of recent event we can only hope that the Privy Council are no longer puppets to the Theology Council, since they would rather see us perish then let us reclaim our position in the Empire once more.
*The Cosmopolite chuckles...*
However things may have been in the past, the idea that the five Royal Houses have recently been or are now the puppets of the Theology Council is a sick joke.
Moreover, why should you place any faith in the Privy Council? They are a creation of the Moral Reforms that you decry as the beginning of the disintegration of the Empire.
What wrongdoings do you imagine the Privy Council - which is to say the Heirs of House Ardishapur, House Kador, House Kor-Azor, House Tash-Murkon and the Chamberlain of House Sarum - are willing to rectify? I hardly think they will be overly keen to restore the Apostles Council and thereby lose a great part of the power they presently wield.
Now, the act of the Privy Council in suspending the edict of outlawry on the Order may have had the support of a majority on that body but I doubt the voices will have been unanimous.
All Amarrians must realise that these events represent a great struggle between progressive and conservative elements within the feudal society that is the Amarrian Empire. Let no-one imagine that piety is a great motivator here. Power is the currency that all parties to these events desire: the power that the Theologico-Imperial system concentrates and maintains in the hands of a few corrupt priests, the Royals Houses and the Imperial Court.
That power is now the subject of a great conflict and anyone who believes that the Empire will gain stability as a result of this titanic struggle is optimistic beyond even the peradventure of blind faith.
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Gaven Lok'ri
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For once I must reluctantly agree with parts of the Heretic Cosmopolite's statement.
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However things may have been in the past, the idea that the five Royal Houses have recently been or are now the puppets of the Theology Council is a sick joke.
Moreover, why should you place any faith in the Privy Council? They are a creation of the Moral Reforms that you decry as the beginning of the disintegration of the Empire.
What wrongdoings do you imagine the Privy Council - which is to say the Heirs of House Ardishapur, House Kador, House Kor-Azor, House Tash-Murkon and the Chamberlain of House Sarum - are willing to rectify? I hardly think they will be overly keen to restore the Apostles Council and thereby lose a great part of the power they presently wield.
Is a quite accurate statement that I find myself asking as well, even if the rest of the heretics speech just shows how little he understands those who have faith.
The interpretation of Gods will is what is at stake here, and that is a more powerful and potent issue than any mere matter of secular power.
Still I must state that the recent statement by Grand Master Horm has not exactly encouraged me to greet this return with open arms. I would suggest that perhaps the Tetrimon need to evolve and work with the TC and Privy Council to create a better Empire, rather than takeing a route of subversive malice that will accomplish nothing good for anyone.
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Posted - 2006.01.22 21:27:00 -
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Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri
I would suggest that perhaps the Tetrimon need to evolve and work with the TC and Privy Council to create a better Empire, rather than takeing a route of subversive malice that will accomplish nothing good for anyone.
Agreed. Guide them Grand Master, don't fight them. An all or nothing attitude will always lead to destruction.
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Posted - 2006.01.23 00:14:00 -
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Smiles
Thus this loop ends.
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Deathwing
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Posted - 2006.01.23 06:34:00 -
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It will be interesting to see which way this sways
I will be watching with great interest
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Gaius Sejanus
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Posted - 2006.01.24 02:46:00 -
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I find it saddly ironic that a Caldari finds nobility in a society based on subjugation.
You shouldn't, because it is not ironic at all. The whole foundation of Caldari society is voluntary subjugation. Of course they would idealize it and find it noble.
As for these scriptures, I forsee nothing but good for the Amarr once the two interpretations become public and lines are drawn across their core worlds seperating the believers from the heretics. More blood than even the Inquisition could lap up will be spilt then.
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Jax Altarin
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Posted - 2006.01.24 03:09:00 -
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I will await with much interest the results of all this.
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Lillith Blackheart
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Posted - 2006.01.24 15:36:00 -
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All society is voluntary subjugation, Gallente, even yours.
Anyone who says otherwise is selling something.
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Shemar
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Posted - 2006.01.24 15:40:00 -
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Originally by: Lillith Blackheart
All society is voluntary subjugation, Gallente, even yours.
When it comes to the Caldari and the Amarr, the 'voluntary' part is not always there.
Let's not confuse the situation of pod pilots with that of the people born with their entire lives pledged to one master or another.
Enhanced eye sight does not make up for the lack of vision
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Lillith Blackheart
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Posted - 2006.01.24 15:49:00 -
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One still has the choice between honorable and dishonorable, Shemar. Pod-pilots not withstanding.
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Shemar
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Posted - 2006.01.24 15:51:00 -
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Are you implying that not wishing to live the life that has been predetermined for you and wanting to make your own choices is somehow dishonorable?
Enhanced eye sight does not make up for the lack of vision
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Khan Rodak
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Posted - 2006.01.24 23:13:00 -
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Your trust honours Manu Dei Grand Master.
I'd like to inform all that screen shoots from our Elata Ardo cerimony in Thakala sistem last saturday will be publicly released. The porpose was to thank late Grand Master Ardo for the returning of the scriptures. It has been done.
a Manu Dei e Tet Rimon
Once a Manudeist allways a Manudeist
God protect us and guide us.
Khan Rodak
Manu Dei Religious Order
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Gaius Sejanus
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Posted - 2006.01.25 11:51:00 -
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All society is voluntary subjugation, Gallente, even yours.
If you actually took a peek out from behind the megacorporate skirt and tasted some real freedom, you'd know how wrong you are.
I don't blame you for the mind-gelding that the corporations have done to you in the past. I do blame you for not being able to see past their brainwashing to become your own person.
Hint: "I" is not spelled "Corporate"
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Arderich
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Posted - 2006.02.06 00:16:00 -
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After I have read the reports from sister Wheya about statements Grand Master Holm and Helmut Orren have made today, my feeling that Tetrimon is on the right path has been invigorated.
Without a doubt Tetrimon gains more and more power among the faithful. To my surprise the officials in the Khanid Kingdom and in the Amarr Empire still prefer to stay silent.
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Archbishop
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Posted - 2006.02.06 03:13:00 -
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I eagerly still await these marvelous revelations as have been implied by the return of Grand Master Horm. While a servant of the Empire and Emperor myself I do realize the truth of the holy scriptures is the ultimate authority. Were something to shine new light on the scriptures and were this to be verified by the Theology Council I would of course as a holy man be bound to observe and obey.
I like all Amarrians want what is best for our Empire. God has decreed we are His chosen. Yet we wait still for an Emperor after the murder of Doriam II. We endure the attacks of terrorists at our borders and fight with veracity and courage but without the leadership of an Emperor.
I pray daily that God grants us a holy and honorable heir to ascend the throne and take His place as the rightful Emperor of Amarr.
Archbishop
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Arderich
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Posted - 2006.02.06 15:43:00 -
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Originally by: Archbishop
I eagerly still await these marvelous revelations as have been implied by the return of Grand Master Horm. While a servant of the Empire and Emperor myself I do realize the truth of the holy scriptures is the ultimate authority.
Wise words, Archbishop. Please allow me to use your statement in a slightly modified version so it can be used not only by citizens of the Amarr Empire but also by citizens of the Khanid Kingdom. I hope you agree this is in the best interest of both of us.
I eagerly still await these marvelous revelations as have been implied by the return of Grand Master Horm. As a servant of God I do realize the truth of the holy scriptures is the ultimate authority.
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Lillith Blackheart
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Posted - 2006.02.06 16:13:00 -
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If you actually took a peek out from behind the megacorporate skirt and tasted some real freedom, you'd know how wrong you are.
If you understand the machinations of mankind you would realize how right I am. The entire point of society is voluntary subjugation. You commit yourself to rules made by others so that you may peaceably coexist with your neighbors. That is how society works.
It is short-sighted and closed-minded to denounce my statement simply because I am Caldari. The fact that your subjectivity does not allow for an Objective viewpoint coming from a Caldari is evidence of that.
You are giving up portions of your free will, whatever that may be, voluntarily so that you might coexist with the remainder of Gallente. If that wasn't the case, there would be no purpose for laws or government. It would be Anarchy. Anyone, anywhere can do anything they want at any time they so choose, but that is not the case, is it? There are laws, binding contracts, things that must be accepted whether you like it or not, are they not?
Certainly, you can lobby in your Federation to have those laws changed, but what does that do beyond forcing another to voluntarily subjugate themselves to your beliefs?
Your lack of understanding of politics and societal purpose is glowing strongly.
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Are you implying that not wishing to live the life that has been predetermined for you and wanting to make your own choices is somehow dishonorable?
Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't. That is too situationally based of a question to be able to answer with a simple yes or no, Shemar.
((Woo. Didn't realize people replied to me until this got bumped to the top. :| I need to pay more attention. . .))
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