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Nafri
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Posted - 2006.01.21 18:10:00 -
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I had only jumping problems that evening
battle was very smooth at the beginning with about 1 second module lag, second half I could lock but had big module lag.
Will check your video to see what was it like for you
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Nafri
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Posted - 2006.01.21 18:16:00 -
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OK checked it, seems to be going very well for you at the beginning, the moment you were jammed you already died pretty fast (much faster then on your video I think). After you died you were stuck in session change, which sucks, but I know that feeling from the times I used to play with modem and something big happened ^^.
Well, I guess you were lagged out to be about 10-15 seconds behind the real server time, and the moment you saw yourself getting shoot up you were already dead.
But interesting indeed, maybe we can play email Eve-fleet battles. The server just writes us an email when we get shoot and then we have 1 day to reply what to do. Would help with the lag  .
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TWD
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Posted - 2006.01.21 18:32:00 -
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 Originally by: Nafri
OK checked it, seems to be going very well for you at the beginning, the moment you were jammed you already died pretty fast (much faster then on your video I think). After you died you were stuck in session change, which sucks, but I know that feeling from the times I used to play with modem and something big happened ^^.
Well, I guess you were lagged out to be about 10-15 seconds behind the real server time, and the moment you saw yourself getting shoot up you were already dead.
But interesting indeed, maybe we can play email Eve-fleet battles. The server just writes us an email when we get shoot and then we have 1 day to reply what to do. Would help with the lag .
That is all very nice, but I much rather see improvements.
Thing like this makes it impossible for us to use any kind of tactics against superior numbers.
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Shai Faetal
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Posted - 2006.01.21 19:51:00 -
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H4X!!@$#$#$ ccp logs don't show any.... 
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Equinox II
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Posted - 2006.01.21 21:39:00 -
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This looks VERY familiar.. :(
"Our logs do not show anything abnormal with the loss, be it server lag or node load at that time.."
This new TQ cluster better be amazing, or they will lose a lot of long time players..
CCP Hammer > Next patch we will make sure to boost Amarr and Nerf Caldari. |
Romulus Maximus
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Posted - 2006.01.21 23:28:00 -
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Welcome to the world of fleet battles kids. Doesnt it just want to make u learn to pvp !
I doubt the server upgrades will change much tbh. Everytime they say "omg leet new stuff will fix everything" it never does. BMs anyone ? never been worse
Quite simply, too many ppl playing. This used ot be possible.
Current RKK Ranking: (AMM10) Commodore
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Xasz
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Posted - 2006.01.21 23:34:00 -
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Tells the truth.
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Zardock
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Posted - 2006.01.22 00:08:00 -
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Lag?
*brings the men in black memory-altering magic pen*
*flash*
There is no Spoon/Lag.
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BlackSabbath
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Posted - 2006.01.22 07:08:00 -
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if it wasnt for buying timecards with isk, i wouldnt bother with this lagfest of a game
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DANGEROUS
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Posted - 2006.01.22 14:13:00 -
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seems surprising that when i moan of lag - (see past post regarding the killing of our fleet INSIDE a pos shield)
- u lot all lay into me.
it is a terrible shame that lag is literally killing off the ability to have a good fight. and for teh record its now SO bad that when we were moving a TWENTY man fleet the other day at each jump in we were losing 4 or 5 to ctd - and 6 or 7 to e warps
thus leaving about 6 of us on the gate twiddling our thumbs waiting for our mates to come back!!!
i BEG u CCP to concentrate on LAG before introducing ANYTHING more to this game. I dont wish to start a differrent topic to much - but the one biggest thing taht could be done (imo) is to remove the need for instas. - no one who hunts (pvp) really hunts on the warp to gate - unlesss they use bubbles inwhcih case my sugggestion changes nothing.
we nearly ALL hunt a the point of jump in.
now consider that nearly everyone on 0.0 has bms - thats MILLIONS of bms. -
remove the need for them - have a warp to gate at 0 km option -
and release some cpu to help tackle the terrible lag problems
PLEASE
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Shai Faetal
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Posted - 2006.01.22 14:44:00 -
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CLOSE JITA - put ebil bs rats on all gates stations moons, shooting eveything on sight. its better then 10 noob alts in ibises
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Cividari
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Posted - 2006.01.22 20:05:00 -
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Exact same thing happened to me, but in a 20vs20 battle. Saw my shield starting to go down so thought, hey time to warp out, nothing happens, armor going down, still nothing, structure down to 5% and stays there for pretty much the rest of the fight untill i finaly se my pod warp out. Lag sucks 
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Mang0o
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Posted - 2006.01.22 22:38:00 -
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You pay that much each month? omg what a rip off
I love you Mang0o, take a guess why -Eris |
Dreez
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Posted - 2006.01.22 23:07:00 -
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Originally by: Gronsak
Bah too many people AFK for too much time.
if pilot hasnt moved or typed anything for a while say 30mins, kick the mofo off the server. that alone would probably cut 20% off the no of people loged on.
Im sorry to break it to you Gronsak, but youŠre so wrong.
Its shouldnt matter if thereŠs 30 thousand players online,
EVE should be as stable as it was pre-castor anyway.
The REAL problems is that CCP dragged their feet for way too long
with the hardware update and now we (the players) are suffering for it.
If the supposed upgrade this february dont put the servers
back where they were around castor when talking about stability,
i belive weŠre gonna see alot of less happy people, included me.
And if the stability goes back to normal, iŠll probably call in sick for a week  .
Ohh.. and im not even gonna bother checking the movies. Been there
done that, and got told there was no serverlagg .
Current Location: In my Blasterthron chasing TomB with a blowtorch
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Barak Torginn
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Posted - 2006.01.23 01:42:00 -
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Unfortunately, I don't think the big server upgrade is going to fix anything. I think the basic architecture of the single-shard world just isn't going to cut it anymore.
I have a bad feeling that things are going to get more drastic. :(
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LTD THOR
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Posted - 2006.01.23 05:41:00 -
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yz-lol? ..or what was the name of the system?
evil! but.. from wich band was the song? rly great!! pls. tell me! 
My video ^^ : =RED WARS-The Beginning= |
Kjewla
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Posted - 2006.01.23 05:55:00 -
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Funny vid , now that should show you all not to fight in so big numbers.
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Goberth Ludwig
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Posted - 2006.01.23 08:52:00 -
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Originally by: Kjewla
Funny vid , now that should show you all not to fight in so big numbers.
erm ... not like you can agree with the enemy how many soldiers to field -_-
- Gob (also known as Admiral Goberius) |
Nafri
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Posted - 2006.01.23 11:22:00 -
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Originally by: Kjewla
Funny vid , now that should show you all not to fight in so big numbers.
I had my pirate hax online, no lag for me
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Cyleth
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Posted - 2006.01.23 12:01:00 -
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Heh, looks laggy. 
And I bet CCP has nothing special on their logs about this mysterious lag. "I'm sorry, we can't replace anything or we can't do anything, no errors on logs, buh bye"
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Rift Scorn
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Posted - 2006.01.23 16:58:00 -
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Originally by: DANGEROUS
....i BEG u CCP to concentrate on LAG before introducing ANYTHING more to this game....
I agree 110% Dangerous.
This is a major issues that makes baby jesus cry. I was in the middle of it all myself, in an eagle, primary job make sure the tacklers don't get to the BS, instead ...
nothing, nothing, nothing, still nothing, more nothing (Targets getting called on TS), freeze, still frozen, have i crashed? loaded! nutz! getting whaled on by 3 Ravens, best warp, ok, lets try that again, no, freeze, freeze, crash ....
Still dunno what happened  Never truer words spoken dangerous 
Your friendly clone activation expert, free of service to the eve community since '03! |
Kane Jacobs
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Posted - 2006.01.23 17:09:00 -
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I'd go berserk. A ruined evening, TOTALLY.
With the way the G fleet appeared I'd poo my pants.
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DarkXeRoX
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Posted - 2006.01.23 18:37:00 -
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Hey i see my raven :P
i died during that lag and shaw hostiles 10mins after i died and my pod 15 mins after i died
never saw myself getting hit or what so ever saw the part u saw on the movie at start and saw ship out of control after 10 mins
warping didn't work ...
this stuff its getting a bit retarted :/
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KIAEddZ
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Posted - 2006.01.23 22:36:00 -
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Great tune.
xx
CEO of KIA Corp - Been doing it for the Laydeez since 1993, now we is doing it in space.
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sallyr
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Posted - 2006.01.24 00:02:00 -
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that was actualy one of the most relaxing videos i have ever seen.
it was like every1 was there . . . but no1 was shooting
it was so peacefull
what was the mooosic
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vladdy2
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Posted - 2006.01.24 00:29:00 -
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Edited by: vladdy2 on 24/01/2006 00:29:57
well...
I thought of taking time off work to participate in this little "event" because it was another "supposed" opportunity to reach out and touch teh BoB.
it only took me about 2 minutes to think ahead and realize that there would be well over 150 toons in some system trying to touch each other.
I thought of teh Ebil Lag-Monster and decided this would be an "event" I will make the choice to miss.
From all accounts on TS and in our comms channels, after getting home, the trip down from our space and the "action" in YZ i just sat back and thought "yup you made the right decsion to stay away"
too bad about the Lag-monster and the fact its everywhere now, jumped into a system with 2 other toons last night and had to relog 3 times for it to clear up.
maybe one day in the not too distant future this crud/fudge/sludge Lag-monster will be slayed, cuz as it stands atm 3 peeps in a system = unplayable
that event should have/could have been alot of fun for those involved but it was not to be, and the bad part is more and more peeps will take my attitude "oh large fight lets spend 5 hours in stop motion animation" no thanks i'll not attend.
my 3 isk is spent
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Swethren
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Posted - 2006.01.24 01:21:00 -
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of course you have lag, you brought the whole of jita to a fight.
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Adam C
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Posted - 2006.01.24 01:58:00 -
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Interesting Lag, nice fps there.
I Enjoyed the song.
GG
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MindDragon
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Posted - 2006.01.24 02:54:00 -
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Fixing the lag...A review by Mind Dragon
BACKGROUND
I reviewed the video file and I've been examining the "lag" problem on my own for quite some time. The lag problem that exists here is the same lag problem that happens on almost any other MMPOG or even MPG system, such as Quake or Battlefield 2.
Modern-day bandwidth just isn't sufficient for all connected players to be notified of all other players positions and actions at the same time. Now, the way many games have approached the problem was to cut anything over X -- for example, no more than 16 or 32 players visible in the same visible space (say 1,000 meters or something). Ironically, this is why you can see ghosting in games like Planetside (64 to 128 visible player limit) or even WW 2 Online (32 to 64 visible player limit). Which is great for when 500 players all try to rush the same location at the same time. WW 2 Online when Allied or Axis had only one or two spawns left, it was insane. You walk two feet in any direction and there's just blobs of players all around you. Forget flying over the area (I took some video a long time ago of a thousand ghosts every second, hilarious). It boils down to very simple Comp. Sci. engineering:
ASSUMPTION OF FACTORS INVOLVED
Number of Players
Available bandwidth for each player (assume megabit download best case, 33.6kbps worse case)
Latency between all player locations
In general, these days, the computer isn't the limiting factor. A Pentium III 1.xx gigahertz processor can push a full 10 gigabit per second; that's ~1.25 gigabytes per second. They were used to test network switches in 2000, so the processor it self can push some serious bandwidth. It ain't the computer folks.
Let's break down what we see on the screen by doing some basic math here: Number of players: 68 G/IRON players (best guess), 35 BoB players (again, best guess).
Soooo...103 players in the same space. Since this is a real time MMPOG, you can assume that each client session is going to need between 64k and 128k of bandwidth to transmit position, player action, text messaging and other software messaging requirements (damage ack, keep alives and more). Remember, this is per player to be shared by all players in order to update the display.
BANDWIDTH FACTOR:
103 * 64 = 6.5 megabits. 103 * 128 = 13.184 megabits.
COMPARISION TO DOCUMENTED INCIDENT
Now, the way most games handle it is just go as far as they can with the data that is still being received and hope that "network congestion" improves over time. So what data that it is able to process, it updates on the screen. That's why in the video you can see a few ships moving and a whole lot of stationary stuff. If you were able to see the other 103 screens, you would probably see varying levels of that.
THE SOLUTION
So, for your next engagement, try to plan on how much bandwidth is required in order to have an optimal experience. Based on the general rule of thumb of 1 megabit per player, I would say that no more than 15 people fighting in the same space at the same time to be safe and this generally holds true for what can be seen in Eve today.
The bottom line is, if you want this game to improve, complain to the overbearing (and archaic, dinosauric and, in general stupid) telco monopolies, lobbies and the governments that supports them. Don't blame the innocent CCP game makers that have done everything possible to make a great game that we see today.
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Lunas Feelgood
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Posted - 2006.01.24 05:54:00 -
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I dont see a prop here. This is not bad lag. this is accepteble.. There was about 5secs delay but atleats you saw hostiles in you owerwiev you mods also responded..You even jammed one. normal lag.. You should try to have lag where you dont even got the hostile loaded thats lag..
So why coulnt you warp when you took fire. prop becuase of the 5 sec delay.. You got instat poped and before you saw it you were alrdy dead..
Try to see Farscape hw movie then you can talk about lag.
Acutally i feel cheated that you guys could do fleet battles that big and only wiht that amount oflag..
when the 20-20 battles we had last week with BOS totally lagged peeps out. Coulnt even load hostiles on overwiev.
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