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MeBiatch Republic University Minmatar Republic 1312	Posted - 2013.10.02 17:15:00 - [1] - Quote not sure if the ship needs that many high slots. i would get more use out of an extra low so i can fit more tank or more gank but no real need to split weapon focus here. so this is what i would do CCP Rise wrote: Stratios Role Bonus: 37.5% increase Scan Prob Strength (maybe this should be a rounder number? right now it follows the t1 bonus) Role Bonus: +5 Virus strength for Relic and Data Analyzers Can fit Cover Ops Cloaking devices Amarr Cruiser Bonus: 4% bonus to Armor Resists Gallente Cruiser Bonus: 10% bonus to Drone hitpoints and damage Slot layout: 4H, 5M, 6L; 4 turrets, 0 launchers Fittings: 920 PWG, 400 CPU Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 1950 / 2400 / 2450 Capacitor (amount) : 1700 Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 182 / .47 / 9350000 / 6.09s Drones (bandwidth / bay): 125 / 500 Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 55km / 275 / 7 Sensor strength: 20 Signature radius: 150 Cargo Capacity: 550 There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request
MeBiatch Republic University Minmatar Republic 1312	Posted - 2013.10.02 17:16:00 - [2] - Quote Akrasjel Lanate wrote: Arthur Aihaken wrote: Is there a Battleship planned, or just the Frigate and Cruiser? (cool with the 2 ships, just curious) For the later date i would say... maby Summer ? i would wait for blops reblance first... perhaps 1.1? my assumption is the ship will be simular in function. There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request
MeBiatch Republic University Minmatar Republic 1312	Posted - 2013.10.02 17:23:00 - [3] - Quote CCP Rise wrote: Was considering optimal bonus instead of cap use. Maybe can continue to consider that. We didn't want to do damage bonus in the role bonus because then you would have like 900 dps covert cloaking cruiser which is way too much. Optimal might work though. how about optimal/tracking for drones? as i am not even going to use the high slots for lazors. chances are if you keep it 5 i would go covert ops cloak expanded scanner drone range salvager/tractor beam There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request
MeBiatch Republic University Minmatar Republic 1312	Posted - 2013.10.02 17:31:00 - [4] - Quote Owen Levanth wrote: MeBiatch wrote: not sure if the ship needs that many high slots. i would get more use out of an extra low so i can fit more tank or more gank but no real need to split weapon focus here. No thanks, 5 HighSlots are ideal. Not too much, not too little. Well, a damage bonus for lasers would be even better, or at least a compromise, something like 25% cap usage bonus and 25% damage bonus for lasers. Someone can dream, right? honestly i thought split weapon system was a thing of the past.... There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request
MeBiatch Republic University Minmatar Republic 1312	Posted - 2013.10.02 17:41:00 - [5] - Quote Owen Levanth wrote: I don't see it that way. Drones are not a primary weapon system for me, I use them more for utility (ECM, anti-frigate / anti-drone) then as an actual weapon. Even my Pilgrim has two heavy beam lasers I somehow forced in between probe launcher and cov-ops cloak! i would not remove the ability to fit lasors... just see no use in having a cap reduction bonus when its not the primary damage weapons system... if the ship had a lasor bonus instead of a drone damage bonus i would be with you on the utility argument... but ccp likes options... and if enough people are happy with it i am fine with the majority rules. There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request
MeBiatch Republic University Minmatar Republic 1312	Posted - 2013.10.02 18:13:00 - [6] - Quote Barry Kring wrote: Or you could just call them Pilgrim & Curse. Oh cool they can use 5 heavies now! There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request
MeBiatch Republic University Minmatar Republic 1314	Posted - 2013.10.04 17:30:00 - [7] - Quote Quinn Corvez wrote: All this back and forth is pointless. Update the thread already CCP! Yes its pointless no they will not update till after Monday when sisi gets Rubicon features. There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request
MeBiatch Republic University Minmatar Republic 1314	Posted - 2013.10.04 17:33:00 - [8] - Quote Tragedy wrote: Nyancat Audeles wrote: This thing is not overpowered. Very few people will realistically fly the 16k EHP glass cannon fit. The few who do will learn the problem with it quickly. I love how people ignore the lock time delay and the lack of damage application to anything below Battleship-class ships. You can get 40k ehp on this and still be doing 800+ dps. Have you used ogres lately, or ever? With a dual web fit on this ship they'll hit frigates perfectly. If you can successfully catch a target with the t3s lock time delay you can do it with this ship. This ship is overpwered. As people have suggested a simple increase to lock time would solve the issue. Thats a mighty big if there bro. Most frigs will kite the ship... As the soe ship has great ability but lackluster top speed. There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request
MeBiatch Republic University Minmatar Republic 1314	Posted - 2013.10.04 17:35:00 - [9] - Quote Correct me if I am wrong but does the soe ship have a targeting delay after decloaking? If it does then I dont see the ship as op There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request
MeBiatch Republic University Minmatar Republic 1425	Posted - 2013.10.24 19:43:00 - [10] - Quote would people be happy if they returend the 5th drone but reduced the drone bonus to 7.5% to hp/damage per level? that way you are going from 6 effective drones to 6.875 drones. which is still less then the standard 7.5 effective drones.... There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request

MeBiatch Republic University Minmatar Republic 1425	Posted - 2013.10.24 19:45:00 - [11] - Quote Witchking Angmar wrote: Querns wrote: PotatoOverdose wrote: Tzar Sinak wrote: Um, actually, 6/10s as suggested in the OP. The adjusted stratios has no issues running a 6/10. It won't be the fastest ship to run a 6/10, but it will run it just fine. Nor should a covops ship be better at blitzing 6/10's than dedicated non-cloaky combat ships. Omnathious Deninard wrote: until then I don't quite think this ship is Ishtar levels of performance. Good, It should never have been close. In it's current iteration the stratios runs 6/10's just fine. Working as intended. What 6/10s are you even talking about here? Like, a Drake can run a Guristas 6/10 no problem. Max skilled ishtar with 5 sentries and high DPS PVP shield fit can barely break the overseer tank in a Sansha 6/10. what about 5 orge II as they do more damage then sentries? that with short range pulse ammo and you should be able to break it... There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request
MeBiatch Republic University Minmatar Republic 1425	Posted - 2013.10.24 19:49:00 - [12] - Quote Kellath Eladrel wrote: MeBiatch wrote: what about 5 orge II as they do more damage then sentries? that with short range pulse ammo and you should be able to break it... The switch to Ogres requires a ton of drone bay space and they only add maybe 20 dps max. The short range turrets, overheated sometimes, are what can push you over. too bad you cant overheat drones eh? There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request
MeBiatch Republic University Minmatar Republic 1427	Posted - 2013.10.24 20:48:00 - [13] - Quote Omnathious Deninard wrote: After looking at the DED 6/10 a bit closer, I am beginning to wonder if this ship was ever actually able to do a 6/10 without being deadspace fit to hell and back. mulitibox the 6/10 with two of them i guess? drones assist for the win? There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request
MeBiatch Republic University Minmatar Republic 1427	Posted - 2013.10.24 20:51:00 - [14] - Quote luredivino wrote: MeBiatch wrote: would people be happy if they returend the 5th drone but reduced the drone bonus to 7.5% to hp/damage per level? that way you are going from 6 effective drones to 6.875 drones. which is still less then the standard 7.5 effective drones.... Yes. 5 Drones and a 7.5% damage bonus would be better. glad to here people like the idea... now everyone ping fozz and rise on twitter to impliment it. There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request
MeBiatch Republic University Minmatar Republic 1429	Posted - 2013.10.24 21:41:00 - [15] - Quote Witchking Angmar wrote: MeBiatch wrote: Witchking Angmar wrote: Max skilled ishtar with 5 sentries and high DPS PVP shield fit can barely break the overseer tank in a Sansha 6/10. what about 5 orge II as they do more damage then sentries? that with short range pulse ammo and you should be able to break it... I was talking about Curators as they deal pure EM. The overseer has half the resist hole in thermal, so Ogres will do even less damage. Also to use Ogres you have to go up close, meaning armor tank, meaning in turn less DPS. now only if predators weren't crap... thats the name for em heavies right? Personally I don't mind having to go close range to kill the bugger... just orbit at 500 m and his turrets cant hit **** There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request
MeBiatch Republic University Minmatar Republic 1430	Posted - 2013.10.24 22:57:00 - [16] - Quote Ix Method wrote: Its a bit of a shame, you could have made them unique just ditching any weapons slots all together and keeping the five drones. The laser bonus is just awkward as hell. True that get rid of lazor bonud remove a high slot add a low. Then give us s better drone bonus. .. As it stands I only need 4 high slots anyways... one for probe one for drone link one for nuet one for rr armor rep 6 low slots lets you fit drone damage ii and a 4 slot tank There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request
MeBiatch Republic University Minmatar Republic 1430	Posted - 2013.10.24 23:12:00 - [17] - Quote Thaddeus Eggeras wrote: CCP good job with the chances, I think they will even the ship out more and make it a great exploring boat, as well as still able to fight for those of us who will use it for PvP. Now about Cald/Min pirate faction ships? Do tell! i would say missile local shield repping pirate ships role bonus: 37.5% bonus to shield rep caldari bonus: 5% to missile rate of fire per level minmatar bonus: 5% bonus to explosion velocity per level There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request
MeBiatch Republic University Minmatar Republic 1431	Posted - 2013.10.24 23:52:00 - [18] - Quote Thaddeus Eggeras wrote: [:lol: Quote: i would say missile local shield repping pirate ships role bonus: 37.5% bonus to shield rep caldari bonus: 5% to missile rate of fire per level minmatar bonus: 5% bonus to explosion velocity per level I like it! But I think a 7.5% shield boost bonus be better for Min and a 50% missile velocity to role. MeBiatch what do you think of them being Thukker ships? And WHY aren't there any true pirate missile ships???? You can say the Worm, Gila and RS are, but really those are all drone boats. I want a missile missile pirate boat! The Cald/Min better have missiles. I'd love to see new hull design for them. This is what I'd like to see for bonuses Thukker role bonuses: 50% missile velocity Caldari Bonus: 5% missiles rate of fire per level Minmatar Bonus: 7.5% shield boost per level With complete new Thukker hulls, and fast like a Navy Stabbber is. AFAIK thukker are a tech II company for the minmatar. if we are going to upgrade a minor npc to full pirate faction then i would go for: mordu's legion the lore would be something along the lines that the angel cartel approached the mordu to become the cartel enforcement in the caldari regions (much like was done with serpentis) i would still go for an internal repair bonus as i picture these things be brawlers. and internal shield bonus adds to that this asb. its like a phoon and a mael had a baby. not saying the velocity bonus is bad. i am just saying from what i would like to see it does not mesh with the design. There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request
MeBiatch Republic University Minmatar Republic 1431	Posted - 2013.10.25 01:55:00 - [19] - Quote Thaddeus Eggeras wrote: Quote: AFAIK thukker are a tech II company for the minmatar. if we are going to upgrade a minor npc to full pirate faction then i would go for: mordu's legion the lore would be something along the lines that the angel cartel approached the mordu to become the cartel enforcement in the caldari regions (much like was done with serpentis) and deal with the growing threat of the guritas pirates as they are harassing the cartels assets. The caldari navy would be a silent broker as it suits thier interest to have a direct competitor to the hated guritas. i would still go for an internal repair bonus as i picture these things be brawlers. and internal shield bonus adds to that think asb. its like a phoon and a mael had a baby. not saying the velocity bonus is bad. i am just saying from what i would like to see it does not mesh with the design. The Thukkers are still not part of the Minmatar, read below. One of the seven tribes of the Minmatar, the Thukker declined to join the Republic in the wake of the Minmatar Rebellion, instead opting to retreat to the Great Wildlands and pursue a nomadic lifestyle there. While they still have ties to the Republic, these actions strained their relationship with the other Tribes, and some still do not trust them. So even if they help with some designs for the Republic they probably would still have their know type of ships and such in The Great Wilderness. I stand by Thukker, The Mordu usually fly Caldari ships, so if it was them, no new ship designs I honestly think with either the bonuses you say or the ones I say would work, I just wanna see them haha. that was true but we have updates CCP Falcon wrote: The Thukker, for the best part, were all living out in the Great Wildlands aboard huge space faring trade caravans. After the Elder Fleet invasion of the Amarr Empire in YC110, quite a few of them returned to the Republic, and now they have full representation on the Tribal Council. so perhaps but it seems that ccp falcon has ruled out thukker not being full members of the republic now. so really that just leaves mordu... or we would have to invent some new entitiy all together. There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request
MeBiatch Republic University Minmatar Republic 1434	Posted - 2013.10.25 14:17:00 - [20] - Quote Maximus Andendare wrote: I think everyone's going on about it only launching 4 drones, which is fine. If the argument is "it doesn't feel right" or "drone ships with less than 5 drones QQ," then that's not a fault of the ship. The ship is going to perform well given its kit. It's an exploration ship. It scans well and can do 6/10s. There's really not an issue here. Stop arguing for 5 drones because its cute. It'll be nice to have less drones to worry about being shot down. Aside from the optimal range being a bit of a miss (over the laser cap usage reduction for more sustain in the armor tank), the ship is going to perform very well in many areas while being outclassed by more specialized covops for combat scanning or HACs, for example, for better/more capable/faster plexing or pvp. Stratios is looking to be a very nice ship. what is so wrong with removing one turret hard point and adding back the 5th drone and reducing the drone bonus to 7.5% thats just a slight increase to overall dps... but 5 drones man! i mean 5 is soo much better then 4... and i am ocd!!! clap clap clap. no but serious 5 do it... make us happy beavers... 4 at 10% = 6 5 at 7.5% + 6.875 say it with me 5 at 7.5%! it makes sense... and it feel right. There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request

MeBiatch Republic University Minmatar Republic 1434	Posted - 2013.10.25 14:46:00 - [21] - Quote Dehval wrote: MeBiatch wrote: Maximus Andendare wrote: I think everyone's going on about it only launching 4 drones, which is fine. If the argument is "it doesn't feel right" or "drone ships with less than 5 drones QQ," then that's not a fault of the ship. The ship is going to perform well given its kit. It's an exploration ship. It scans well and can do 6/10s. There's really not an issue here. Stop arguing for 5 drones because its cute. It'll be nice to have less drones to worry about being shot down. Aside from the optimal range being a bit of a miss (over the laser cap usage reduction for more sustain in the armor tank), the ship is going to perform very well in many areas while being outclassed by more specialized covops for combat scanning or HACs, for example, for better/more capable/faster plexing or pvp. Stratios is looking to be a very nice ship. what is so wrong with removing one turret hard point and adding back the 5th drone and reducing the drone bonus to 7.5% thats just a slight increase to overall dps... but 5 drones man! i mean 5 is soo much better then 4... and i am ocd!!! clap clap clap. no but serious 5 do it... make us happy beavers... 4 at 10% = 6 5 at 7.5% + 6.875 say it with me 5 at 7.5%! it makes sense... and it feel right. 5 at 5% would keep the dps close to what the nerfed version gets and would satisfy all the people who have clinically diagnosed themselves with "OCD". It I don't personally mind 4 drones. Bringing the drone bandwidth back up to 125 with the new reduced bay means you only get 150m3 to fill with spares (assuming two full flights of heavies/sentries) rather than 200m3 of spare drone space. Regardless; 5 at 5% = 6.25 = Sweet spot. or how about 10% for medium and lights and 5% for heavy and sentries? as a reduction to 5% for medium and light drones would be a heavy handed nerf. There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request
MeBiatch Republic University Minmatar Republic 1434	Posted - 2013.10.25 14:55:00 - [22] - Quote Kagura Nikon wrote: erg cz wrote: Henk Brombir wrote: IMO the stration should be a drone boat. Increase the drone bandwirth with 25 and drop a gun slot or something With cloak, probe launcher, drone link augmentor, remote repairer and salvager fitted, you do not have lasers fitted anyway. I can live without salvager or remote repairer, but I do need full flight of sentry drones for ninja WH exploration... Ambassador Spock wrote: giving this ship 125 mb/sec + no turrets (maybe only 3 highs?) would have added a unique and interesting ship to the game. 100500 times this. We need DIFFERENT ships, with dfferent gameplay. And that could be one. But not with the castrated bandwidth. you just want an ishtar that can wark cloaked. Nope.. that is exaclty what they are tryign to avoid. can you point out where they wanted tracking/speed/optimal range bonus for the ship? just because total damage would be simular does not mean applied damage is. There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request
MeBiatch Republic University Minmatar Republic 1435	Posted - 2013.10.25 17:36:00 - [23] - Quote Xolve wrote: Look at all these bads still talking about using Ogres without a drone speed bonus... Even on my eos I only use heavies under 10km... for me it's not the speed bonus that makes orge good its the tracking bonus There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request
MeBiatch Republic University Minmatar Republic 1435	Posted - 2013.10.27 14:08:00 - [24] - Quote Does anyone else find it odd that rise has stated that a ship that has not been tested outside of internal testing is in its final version before launch?!?!?!? now i am not saying this version is bad or anything though i would lke to have that 5th drone back... but for ccp to say a ship is fine without any one acutally flying it and basing its opinions solely on eft warriors just sounds stupid to me... i mean the ship are on sisi but not seeded. please let us actually test these things out and let our real world experiance with the ship determin if it needs any finishing touches before release. as it stands i think we got about 5 days before what goes into rubicon gets locked. and then Major QA for release.... so please let us actually test these things and give USEFULL feedback. There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request
MeBiatch Republic University Minmatar Republic 1436	Posted - 2013.10.28 15:02:00 - [25] - Quote Kagura Nikon wrote: I dotn get why so much whining for 100mb. Its not like you can only be useful on drones. In fact all this winnign just supports that the ship was goign to be minmaxed ona single profile, somethign that is bad. I for once, liked a LOT the changes. IN fact I feel it is more powerful NOW than it was before. Stop underestiamting lasers! there were three groups. the largest and most happy were the regular pve guys... the ones doing annoms and basic stuff in 0.0 the smallest and loudest were the hot drop guys who said all they were going to do is hot drop people al over new eden and them medium were the guys who actually enjoy the new hacking mini game. so instead of just reducing the lazor damage (the real reason the ship was over the top) ccp rise decided to reduce the dps for the majority of the people who were going to use the ship... that is the regular pve player who had no intention of ever using a lazor on the ship... and they nerfed the dps by 20%.... that is why people are upset... ccp could have kept everyone happy if they had just reduced the lazor dps by reducing turret hard points and kept the drones at 125mb... they still can... it just takes rise to come to the same conclusion. There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request
MeBiatch Republic University Minmatar Republic 1442	Posted - 2013.10.29 00:38:00 - [26] - Quote Kagura Nikon wrote: Nope. Youa re wrong. The 5 sentry drones were the thign that was goign to be abused (With 3 drone damage mods) and woudl become too pwoerful on PVP for a ship with cloak Even if you removed ALL guns, it woudl still be TOO powerful on PVP with 125m bandwidth and a covert ops cloak. not if you reduced the bonus to 7.5% what we have now is 6 effective drones with 5 @ 37.5% you are looking at 6.875 drones or with max damage setup 3 drone dramage II and sentry II you get 717 dps with garde II thats vrs the 627 you would get under the heavy handed nerf. thats about 90 more dps or 14% more max dps. moreove with ex damage drone the dps goes down far. but thats a pretty niche setup most people using the ship might use one or two max drone mods and the high slots for pve stuff. There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request
MeBiatch Republic University Minmatar Republic 1443	Posted - 2013.10.30 03:53:00 - [27] - Quote elitatwo wrote: Omnathious Deninard wrote: -snip- Clearly leaving a ship with 1100 power grid and no turrets is a wise idea, oh wait.... If it lost it turrets it would not need that much power grid. I know what I would do with that powergrid but I'm not telling plates? There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request
MeBiatch Republic University Minmatar Republic 1450	Posted - 2013.10.31 16:14:00 - [28] - Quote CCP Rise wrote: Quote: I was just thinking that instead of reducing the Stratios' firepower by limiting it's drone bandwidth, you could give it the same bonus as the Astero - 20% bonus to drone hitpoints Yep we thought of something like this also, but really it's much worse. Like others said above, the hp isn't nearly as useful on the cruiser, and it's a huge damage nerf. 50% instead of 20%. What about a 25% bonus to hp and damage per level but only for medium drones... That keeps max dps under 600 but allows for great applied dps There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request
MeBiatch Republic University Minmatar Republic 1453	Posted - 2013.11.02 14:00:00 - [29] - Quote ok so i tried out the strat... and got to say. not impressed. looks like the nerf was heavy handed... edit: honestly CCP when you get cover ops hot dropped it does not matter what you are in you are going to die. infact i would like to die faster so extra dps on the strat is a good thing. please dont over nerf the ship just do to one mechanic that ganrentees your death anyways... There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request
MeBiatch Republic University Minmatar Republic 1477	Posted - 2013.11.15 20:40:00 - [30] - Quote CCP Rise wrote: Quote: I was just thinking that instead of reducing the Stratios' firepower by limiting it's drone bandwidth, you could give it the same bonus as the Astero - 20% bonus to drone hitpoints Yep we thought of something like this also, but really it's much worse. Like others said above, the hp isn't nearly as useful on the cruiser, and it's a huge damage nerf. 50% instead of 20%. i just find it odd that with less then a few days left this is the last word on the ships we will get from CCP. its sad the ship got nerfed before anyone of use had a chance to fit it. if they had waited they would have figured out its terrible pg would have limited the potential EFT dps. There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request