I think you're missing the point, here. All PVP potential aside, these ships are PVE exploration ships. They're designed with durability and longevity in mind; huge drone and cargo capacities, and a minor inclination to use Lasers (t1 crystals never break, and crystals last longer than other types of ammo per m^3).
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can anyone explain to me why i should be flying that frigate instead of my Helios?

cruiser looks fun. renders my Ishtar obsolete. u guys think it will be very expensive? hopefully not more than 200mill.

Gallente Cruiser skill bonus per level:
7.5% Heavy Drone max velocity and tracking speed
10% Drone hitpoints and damage

Heavy Assault Cruisers skill bonus per level:
5km Drone operation range
7.5% Sentry Drone optimal range and tracking speed

Role Bonus:
50% reduction in MicroWarpdrive signature radius penalty

You will still need to train to T2 Modules. +10 Virus strength is required along side T2 Modules to do null sec relic/data sites.

Now, I can see that CCP have aimed these ships at low sec, not null sec, and they are intended to also do combat sites, not just relic/data sites. However I feel that this creates a bad mix. As either they are good at combat sites, or relic/data sites. You can't fit rigs for both. And you can't fit mods for both at the same time. It does give a choice on how you use the ship, but +10 virus strength still makes you make that choice, just as much as +5 does. So +10 does not remove the choice of how you fit your ship. It simply enables you to use these ships in Null Sec relic/data sites.

I'm sure someone has said it, but 1k dps cloaky .....O_O

My wanting the +10 virus strength has nothing to do with expecting to be able to complete high end sites without T2 equipment. My wanting the +10 virus strength is because I want to explore in these GÇ£exploration themedGÇ¥ ships.

When I saw the stream announcing these ships I thought:
GÇ£Oh wow! Shiny, expensive new Sisters of Eve faction ships for me to explore in!GÇ¥

Then when I read the specs announced in this post I thought:
GÇ£Oh wow! Shiny, expensive new Sisters of Eve faction ships that I'm totally not going to explore in.GÇ¥

Because why would I pay more to explore in a ship that is less potent at analysis and hacking?

Just so I can solo some lowsec combat sites? What a frightful waste and a terrible disappointment.

We are not asking for a win button, we are asking for these ships to be capable of being reasonably used, and can be improved if you wish to do this role efficiently.

looks good,

Will they cost around the same as other pirate ships? more/less?

For now, I want to let this sit a bit longer while we think things over and see how the sisi feedback plays out.

Thanks for the discussion!

That being said... from what I had the opportunity to read, paper DPS of this ship exceeds not only other cov ops but even some other pirate ships. So, again, be careful about power creep !

That could be said even if it only had 3 mid slots, 2x web and a scram + covert ops cloaking device will stop any sub-cap from moving.
Even 1 prop mod, 1 web and a scram can cause all but the fastest frigates to be caught.

Spectacular. Absolutely spectacular. This post needs more likes.




As the Gallente-Amarr hybrid ship, the main theme is armor and drones. The energy weapon bonus is meant to encourage laser use by partially nullifying their biggest drawback without making lasers feel compulsory as opposed to other weapons.

If that is the case why can't missile launchers be fitted? Amarr use missiles.

You sure?

http://evemaps.dotlan.net/system/Osmon

NPC Kills 6420 141770

That's a lotta Sisters LP being farmed up.

Look here. The problem is the fact that, because it cannot be obtained any other way besides role bonus, virus strength is a very binary matter. Either you have +10 and thus are useful outside of highsec, or you are not.

My apologies for having an opinion, I personally would be a little more concerned about suiciding a 100mil ship for pointless failure than a heron.and apart from that really!!! The ONLY reasons one would use a heron in null are as bait, because you wanted a cheap ship you didn't mind losing, you didn't have the skills for anything else, or you were incapable of making an appropriate choice for the circumstances and are beyond help.
So the solution is to make these ships as much use as a chocolate fireguard for exploration. Yeah right, great reasoning

Cost, training time, and accessibility are not balancing factors. See the old titans for reasons why.
Cost is not a reason to obsolete an entire line of ships.

Also, they temporarily changed 2 agents for SOE to level 4 security agents, so I am now confident that these ships will come from a high sec LP store.

Just out of curiosity how does anyone feel about calling these ships "Coalition" ships rather than "pirate" ships?

What we find unacceptable is we can NEVER train at the moment to that point.

Further down the part you quoted, I explained this further.

In null, the only serious factor effecting you is virus strength. There are no rats anymore, so the only real thing you need to think about is doing the hacking as fast as possible so you can scoop loot and cloak back up again. Higher virus strength minimizes the amount of time spent not cloaked, and increases the speed at which you can generate profit. Nevermind it's much less easy to outright lose a can with +10.

Nevermind some of the sheer, sadistic crap I have seen in some of those nullsec cans is pretty much the norm. If I don't pop two suppressors by the time I am done with a good can, then I count myself lucky. So idk what nullsec stuff you have been doing, but I've been in there since Odyssey hit, and +10 is what you need. Like I said, I pretty much discount whichever Lucky Larry comes by and spouts off about how you can do nullsec sites with a noobship. That's luck, and it's not the reality of doing it out there for significant periods of time.

If virus strength could be obtained anywhere else? It might not be +10 or go home. But that's the reality of it.

Or have you suddenly upgraded to T2 analysers without telling us?

People have frequently reported being able to hack null sites in a T2-bonused ship with a T1 analyzer. I can even do it myself. So let's... analyze... the situation:

A T2-bonused ship gives +10 strength. A T1 Analyzer gives +20 strength. This gives you a total of 30 strength.

Certain parties have said "this is all we are asking for" so we'll use it as the baseline goal, just theoretically.

A T1-bonused ship gives +5 strength. A T2 Analyzer gives +30 strength. This gives 35 strength, which is even higher than the asked-for 30 strength.

Remind me where the problem is, again?

Just for the record, I'm arguing in favor of +5 strength on the SoE ships as a Cheetah pilot who plans on switching to the SoE ships. Trading up for cargo space and actual weapons, yum yum.

...Unless the +5 turns into +10, which will require the weapons being blunted, which basically puts me flying a more expensive and larger-sig version of what I already have.

Two things would happen if the site difficulty were increased, it would put fledgling explorers in a position where they may get frustrated and stop exploring. Second it would put players who are wanting a increased virus strength in the same exact place as they are now, wanting greater virus strength due to the site difficulty needed to be increased.

I understand the sites are not too difficult if you know what you are doing. My point was to artificially create boundaries for virus strength increases, the sites would need to be proportionally difficult which would create more problems than it would solve.

To precis the argument why on earth should i fly an exploration ship at high cost and high skill training requirements, when the cheap covert ops is in the hangar. I would just use that, IT WILL ALWAYS BE BETTER AT EXPLORING THAN AN EXPLORATION SHIP.and these ships are only worth using for PvP and Pve, No matter how an explorer skills, no matter what he fits, they are explorers in name only, just rename the covert ops to explorer paint it white and be done with the whole thing.

Since Sisters are best at exploring, those ships MUST have the best exploring. And since Sisters do not like shooting people, those ships MUST NOT have primary combat capabilities. It was said that those ships are all about self-defense. Well give them the self-defense than. Give them ability to disable their pursuers in different ways, with electronics and speed.
Defender missiles could be used here with some interesting mechanics, like attacking and disabling ships which attacking Sisters ship. But, I guess good old style: "Let's add a ship, I don't know what for, but let's add it" is the most liked by CCP.

I would like to whine about the mastery of the Stratios.

I am not liking the medium energy turrets mastery requirement for the ship .

As has been said repeatedly.. If the Blaster/Drone combo is overpowered. Reduce the drone DPS and up the laser DPS. That ties it tighter to lasers which matches the stated design intent, as well as drops DPS a bit, since Laser DPS will be lower than the Blaster DPS, & tracking will be a bit worse at the blank point ranges people are talking to bump & drop heavy drone DPS instantly.
Alternatively applied drone DPS will be lower since heavies will have to travel. Giving the target time to counter web and pull range through higher base speed (assuming same number of webs almost any other cruiser fitted for PvP will pull range on the Stratios, especially if you MWD fit the Stratios for bumping, if you AB fit you then struggle to bump.) as well as lock & engage the heavy drones or Stratios directly before drone DPS gets applied.

Of course, all these 'OP' fits don't have an extended probe launcher, & most of them don't even have a normal probe launcher. So you aren't finding most of these supposed targets to start with and having that much DPS anyway. Unless you find someone ratting in low sec I guess. Which has always been a dicey game anyway.

These ships has ONLY ONE positive plus = NO NEED A LOT OF SKILLS FOR FLLY WITH COVERT CLOAKS !

All other is COMPLETELY SCRAP!

1. If these vessels is focused for DED spaces and WH, PLESE remove the aggro on the drones in DED and WH spaces, that time i see sense for drones offensive.
2. Without logist theys no have active tank(i mean inpossible for tanking WH or 6/10, for someone and 4/10). These vessels how many i know is focused for solo travelers

This time these vessels calculated ONLY for: PIRATES,THIEF's and GANKERS


If CCP & ISP WANT create normal solo explorers ship, need completely change theys:

1. Offensive Heavy missiles [recomendation long range&DPS 300-500] plus 5x small drones[for some small targets] 25mb/s bandwith [recomendation dronebay 30]
2. Tanking ONLY shield tanking

If not thange theys configuration to this, were i writed, these ships will be useless for good exploration.

How many i see all writet comments, I can safely say that this forum is going pouring from an empty bucket-to empty bucket, or is going subservience to CCP and ISP. Or most commentatos is alts of the these ships creators. WHY i say that? I say because most comments is completely nonsense or talking about pirating ganking and same themes not related to the professional exploration or cleaning DED/WH

Maybe my comment to some people, and not like it, but the truth is that it is. Truth is not always pleasant unheard.

I'm in EVE from 2005 = PVP,PVE & maybe 1year manufacturing [nullsec/wh/hisec]

Its all about the cloaks mate. Noone suggested even once that it was OP based on its combat abilities alone.

Sorry, noone whos opinion is valuable.

btw try it.. you would get surprised how powerful a gang of battle haulers can be :)


Still amazed how peopel can think that a 100m bay cruiser is useles.

So the myrmidon is useles? The prophecy ?

The prophecy is maybe ther most powerful t1 BC as of now!!!


Peopel are delusionals if they thing that a cruiser must have 125.500 to be useful. Not eevn the typhoon kept the 125 drone bay!!!


Somethign that shoudl be considered is NERFING the drone bay of most drone cruisers with over 150 bay (its ridiculous that peopel want a Cruiser to carry as much drones as a Dominix!

Reason is they added in Drone agro, which was a bad bad bad idea no other ship weapon has the possibility of having its main damage dealing system blown off.

So until they revert it to days of old, drone ships won't fly with many a pilot.