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Rroff Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork 339	Posted - 2013.10.04 22:20:00 - [1] - Quote Not getting some of the hate - sure you have to think outside the box a little in some cases but quite liking the potential with these ships as is. Think some people are seriously under-estimating the Stratios - throw some implants at it and you can make something a bit scary. (EDIT: Don't want to give anything away but with blasters and setup for close range its possible to do something pretty nasty with it and have the damage application for the dps and enough tank to not be totally outside of gank cloaky prot league). However I can't see anyone fitting lasers to the Stratios ever and the bonus to cap use certainly won't encourage that.
Rroff Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork 339	Posted - 2013.10.04 22:36:00 - [2] - Quote Dehval wrote: People in this thread would tell you otherwise because apparently heavies are horrible against a double webbed and scrammed target. Even Berserkers which are fast enough to catch most ABing cruiser and some MWDing ones. These are not Capital Sized guns we are talking about. They have the tracking speed of an average cruiser weapon, they are going to hit whatever you catch. Yeah well base Ogre damage application isn't amazing but this ship has plenty of ways to go about applying that damage to stuff they'd otherwise struggle to hit if your a little creative - even scram + double web would work fairly well and is fairly standard fitting.
Rroff Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork 340	Posted - 2013.10.04 22:46:00 - [3] - Quote Bouh Revetoile wrote: Above all, people in this thread love to talk out of their ass without backing up any of their assertion with anything daring to look like an argument. But in real EVE, the Stratios is a worse Navy Vexor with a cloak and T3 cruisers can already do more than anything a Stratios can do. But I'm really eager to see those swarm of Ogre drones suddenly becoming a weapon of devastation, and I wonder why BS don't fill their drone bay with these already. Unless the stats in the modified EFT I'm using are wrong (and I'm not talking about damage application in EFT) its pretty trivial to get a close range cloaky hunter out of this that can sport a 80+K EHP tank, decent speed, decent locktime and the ability to do around 665dps on paper and about 600dps applied effectively on a t1 armor tanked cruiser hull.
Rroff Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork 340	Posted - 2013.10.04 22:52:00 - [4] - Quote Omnathious Deninard wrote: [Stratios] Requires a 3% CPU Implant Covert Ops Cloaking Device 4x Heavy Neutron Blaster II (Void M) 2x Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I Faint Warp Disruptor I 800mm Reinforced Steel Plates II 2x Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II 2x Drone Damage Amplifier II 3x Medium Trimark Armor Pump I 5x Ogre II Effective HP: 35,211 (Eve: 27,089) Tank Ability: 8.97 DPS Shield Resists - EM: 0.00%, Ex: 50.00%, Ki: 40.00%, Th: 20.00% Armor Resists - EM: 76.52%, Ex: 57.73%, Ki: 69.47%, Th: 69.47% Capacitor (Lasts 1m 50s) Volley Damage: 3,664.45 DPS: 928.61 Think a bit more outside the box and throw some more implants (nothing too expensive) as it and you can scale the tank and other capabilities up a lot while the paper dps drops off a bit the applied damage goes up a ton to. A cloaky ship that works in close range with blasters and only 30K EHP isn't terrible useful in general.
Rroff Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork 340	Posted - 2013.10.04 23:41:00 - [5] - Quote Omnathious Deninard wrote: Slot 1: Low-grade Slave Alpha Slot 2: Low-grade Slave Beta Slot 3: Low-grade Slave Gamma Slot 4: Low-grade Slave Delta Slot 5: Low-grade Slave Epsilon Slot 6: Zainou 'Gypsy' Electronics EE-603 Slot 7: Eifyr and Co. 'Gunslinger' Motion Prediction MR-705 Slot 8: Zainou 'Deadeye' Medium Hybrid Turret MH-805 Slot 9: Eifyr and Co. 'Gunslinger' Surgical Strike SS-905 Slot 10: Inherent Implants 'Noble' Hull Upgrades HG-1005 Wasn't really thinking slaves though I guess thats one way to do it, using other implants to approach it another way via having more fitting, etc. produces some other useful results. M1k3y Koontz wrote: To scram/dual web you'd have to armor fit, and therefore lose the mythical 1100 DPS. You could get about 700, but that's hardly overpowered given the ~50k EHP Not really looked at shield fits yet, theres a few fits that are similiar to the cloaky prot style that are doable with a bit of creativity and while won't put out 1k dps still put out a pretty decent amount of damage for a cloaky while having good tank, tackle, etc.
Rroff Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork 341	Posted - 2013.10.05 03:09:00 - [6] - Quote Dehval wrote: Xequecal wrote: [snip] That's 930 DPS and 50k EHP, I'm not sure why you think it's limited to 700. You can also take the neutrons off and put neuts on, then swap the tracking disruptor for a small capacitor booster to get 700 DPS and 53.33 cap/sec of neuting. That fit is honestly probably better than this one but you don't need a paper thin tank to get high DPS. Ogres will have no problems hitting any kind of double-webbed ship. Just stop trying. I've given up. I'll just enjoy what we get come release. If it keeps the dps I'll have a nice ship to go hunting in wormholes with. Although I hope they keep the ship true to its design and give us a compelling reason to put lasers in the high slots vs blasters/neuts. Definitely needs a compelling reason to use lasers, only setup I've looked at where I'd even consider them was maybe some kind of shield kiting setup and pulse with scorch. (Even thats a tentative option).
Rroff Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork 342	Posted - 2013.10.05 10:22:00 - [7] - Quote Ersahi Kir wrote: Just a minor detail question, what flavor of sensors do these have? Radar or Magnetometric? I have one trained, just wondering if I should put the other in queue. All the other mixed race ones go by their main weapon type so being drones I guess gal/mag though its a bit less clear on this one which it should be.
Rroff Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork 342	Posted - 2013.10.05 17:21:00 - [8] - Quote Thaddeus Eggeras wrote: The frigate will be a great PvP ship (if it gets another high slot) 20% to drone HP, take means 5 drones going at another frigate, that frigate will have one hell of a time killing the drones before they get him, and add the 2 lasers and I think the SOE friagte will be a mean ship. Remember these are to explore and while doing so to be able to defend themsselfs. we all will find ways of turning them into full pvp ships but, that isn't what their role is suppose to be. SOE frigate just needs either one med or one low removed and another high slots added. SOE cruiser just needs 2 or 3 gun slots with 100% to laser damage and all slots high, med and low same amount. SOE battleship need one haha And soon to come Cald/Min Thukker faction ships! (I'm a dreamer haha) These are gal/amarr ships hence the slot layout. Only change really I'd want to see made to the frig is maybe give it a static 50% bonus to amarr drone damage - it wouldn't be over powered but gives it a little more teeth and a little more flavor as people would maybe use hobs and warriors a little less with it.
Rroff Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork 342	Posted - 2013.10.05 18:48:00 - [9] - Quote Reth Alithes wrote: Xequecal wrote: Fr00b Snap wrote: Nerfing drone DPS in any way will make Stratios useless for lowsec DED`s. While I'm concerned about it being overpowered in PvP, this is absolutely true, unfortunately. You need fairly high DPS to be able to break overseer tanks. I think the best solution is a 6/3/6 slot layout, that lets you fit a prop mod and relic/data analyzer for exploration mode, allows 4 guns + cloak and probe launcher, and balances heavy drone DPS in PvP by not allowing a dual-web fit, and therefore reducing the applied DPS of heavy drones. You don't actually need that much dps to break an overseer's tank. Only about 400 of their weakest resist to kill most of them. And this ship doesn't have the tank to be able to do any of the harder (8/10 +) DED sites. You can reduce the drone dps of this ship without stopping its ability to finish DED sites because it can't tank the DED sites where the drone dps actually matters. Out of interest roughly how much tank is required to do the harder DED sites? I've only ever done the easy ones. Can fairly easily get 500+ dps tank on the Stratios and more if tanking specific damage types.
Rroff Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork 342	Posted - 2013.10.06 00:29:00 - [10] - Quote Not a fan personally of per level drone bay bonuses would rather they were rolled into the hull (which CCP seems to be doing with them now) and getting a more useful bonus in their place. Slot layout is due to the racial origins even if it isn't to everyone's tastes. "Role Bonus: 37.5% bonus to Energy Turret tracking and optimal range" is one I would support but still don't really feel its going to overly encourage laser use but its a step in the right direction. Still kind of rooting for them both to get a static 50% bonus to amarr drone damage (might be a tiny little too much on the stratios) just so we see some variation in drones used and gives them a little more of an edge without being too overly powerful.

Rroff Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork 343	Posted - 2013.10.06 19:08:00 - [11] - Quote Garviel Tarrant wrote: Cloaky t3's are way more expensive and i'm pretty damn sure that the Stratios beats them hands down in combat capabilities. Also "Just one more" midslot is kind of a big deal. In terms of combat abilities (ignoring tank) it does better than all but the prot.
Rroff Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork 343	Posted - 2013.10.06 20:37:00 - [12] - Quote Mr Doctor wrote: Bouh Revetoile wrote: I guess it's the cloak thing who scare the **** out of everyone ; yet cloaky T3 exist for years and they are even less common than 100MN AB ones... Cloaky T3s dont do 700+ DPS, not even the Prot (maxes at around 500ish with proper fit and next to no range on that damage). Cloaky prot can do ~700dps non-heated with cloak + probes fit and upto ~850dps heated in 5 gun cloak but no probes fit. (These are proper fits with battleship sized tanks not 30K EHP max gank fail fits). EDIT: Infact its possible to get 722dps non-heated out of a cloak + probes fit and still ~110K EHP - the fit I used to use was missing a low slot due to being nullified.
Rroff Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork 343	Posted - 2013.10.06 22:13:00 - [13] - Quote Fr00b Snap wrote: Why would Proteus decloak at 15km? Added to which prot gets a point range bonus with appropriate sub-system which makes it a bit easier to keep stuff inside damage range.
Rroff Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork 344	Posted - 2013.10.07 18:33:00 - [14] - Quote Hungry Eyes wrote: can anyone explain to me why i should be flying that frigate instead of my Helios? cruiser looks fun. renders my Ishtar obsolete. u guys think it will be very expensive? hopefully not more than 200mill. Going by current stats - 3 flights of light drones, a LOT faster aligning which is always useful in unfriendly space, Will depend a bit on what you do though as the decrease in probing ability especially in regards to combat probes is a pretty big downside.
Rroff Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork 346	Posted - 2013.10.10 15:42:00 - [15] - Quote Kaarous Aldurald wrote: It doesn't have combat capabilities. It can defend itself adequately against rats, that's all. It can put out, what, 75 dps (estimated, I am at work or I'd check) from it's unbonused drones? 99dps with T2 Hobs - with DDAs can put it upto 146 in a semi sensbile fit so its got a fair bit of teeth. Kind of like it as it is - though I'd like to see it get a bonus to amarr drone damage so we see a bit of flavor in drones used and also acolytes have fairly decent tank, speed and tracking but lack for damage so with a bonus (say a static 50% bonus to amarr drone damage) that brought them up very slightly above unbonused hobs it would give the astero some nice but not OP combat ability.
Rroff Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork 346	Posted - 2013.10.10 16:11:00 - [16] - Quote Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Rroff wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: It doesn't have combat capabilities. It can defend itself adequately against rats, that's all. It can put out, what, 75 dps (estimated, I am at work or I'd check) from it's unbonused drones? 99dps with T2 Hobs - with DDAs can put it upto 146 in a semi sensbile fit so its got a fair bit of teeth. Kind of like it as it is - though I'd like to see it get a bonus to amarr drone damage so we see a bit of flavor in drones used and also acolytes have fairly decent tank, speed and tracking but lack for damage so with a bonus (say a static 50% bonus to amarr drone damage) that brought them up very slightly above unbonused hobs it would give the astero some nice but not OP combat ability. Ah, yes, T2 hobs. I was in the neighborhood at least. Not too shabby for a guy with a 101 fever lol. Ok, so you can pump it up to about 145 in a "semi sensible" fit? Curious as to what this fit might be, and how much tank it has overall as well. I agree with your second point, kinda. I would just prefer to see drones get reworked completely, from the ground up. They are the mechanic more than anything else in this game that shows it's age. That way, we can actually have a legitimate reason to use the other two race's drones, and maybe we can make the overall weapon system less of a cluster****. Was probably thinking some kind of shield tank with about ~7.5k EHP and dcu+nano (yeah I know - needs it for the speed though) + 2x dda. I'm not really a frig pilot though so I'm sure theres people a lot more experienced with those fits.
Rroff Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork 346	Posted - 2013.10.13 14:26:00 - [17] - Quote Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote: Got a worm once, sold it faster I could kill something worth with. Got a Gila BPC, build it and tried to fit, I really mean I've tried several times and despite my elite core skills, some implants and whatnot crap couldn't make anything interesting, the thing gets its capacitor depleted too fast just moving around (highs empty !!) Lacks tank CPU PG, less highs more lows/mids and a bit of base speed. I'm probably doing it wrong, tying to like drone boats but I just can't, specially this one. I'll probably get that SOE cruiser, looks a bit better than Gila already. Gila has quite a few useful fits though a little tight to fit you can do some pretty decent stuff without implants, it is relatively restricted to niche roles compared to other ships though. Worm however... I just dunno what they were thinking. I flew one on a null roam once just to say I'd flown one fit something like this: [Worm, roam] Domination Nanofiber Structure Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Republic Fleet Medium Shield Extender Shadow Serpentis 1MN Microwarpdrive Domination Warp Disruptor Dread Guristas Adaptive Invulnerability Field [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II Small Core Defense Field Extender II Small Core Defense Field Extender II Hobgoblin II x5 Warrior II x5 Granted I suck at flying frigs but couldn't even put something useful in the highs - dropping nano for MAPC would have made it too slow, dropping a DDA would have reduced it to less than useful dps - just about everything seems to be wrong with the attributes on it - even its ability to fit a cruiser like tank is countered by not being able to actually do anything useful when fit like that i.e. has next to no damage. And for those saying invuln should have been a web ;) it was in a roam with a dozen or so daredevils. (All but the bottom 2 kills here were from that roam http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=655284&m=9&y=2012&view=kills ).
Rroff Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork 346	Posted - 2013.10.13 18:49:00 - [18] - Quote Baali Tekitsu wrote: But it has no tackle range bonus and no damp bonus. I think the Stratios is insanely OP as it is now proposed, being able to easily fit 1044 DPS and a 31k EHP shield buffer tank pre links (scramweb). Its basically one of those ships you cant conter in its own ship size. Fit I used as reference: [Stratios, maxdps] Internal Force Field Array I Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I X5 Prototype Engine Enervator Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Ogre II x5 Zainou 'Gypsy' Electronics EE-602 You could fit instead of the magstab a nano and push its aligntime below 4 seconds, sacrificing ~40 DPS and being able to fit a full t2 fit instead of the meta modules. A decently fit gila could brawl that toe to toe and win easily due to having more tank, being able to pump out pure thermal damage through drones and HAMs (somewhat EFT warrioring there) while you'd be hitting against a resist profile its not too weak too thermal/kin.
Rroff Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork 346	Posted - 2013.10.13 19:39:00 - [19] - Quote I'm not even sure I'd call it on that fit vs a cynabal brawling with hail.
Rroff Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork 346	Posted - 2013.10.13 23:07:00 - [20] - Quote Baali Tekitsu wrote: If the Cynabal tries to kite me I just drop Sentries. Thats another point: The Stratios has a far too large drone bay, not even the Dominix gets one this large. Unbonused (tracking) sentries against a cynabal thats not in web range? your gonna lose atleast 2/3rds of your potential drone damage.

Rroff Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork 347	Posted - 2013.10.15 14:33:00 - [21] - Quote I'm not convinced they will be that OP - to get the headline dps figures you have to sacrifice something else which usually means damage application resulting in much lower applied damage or you can fit to be able to actually tackle and apply the heavy drone damage in which case you get a much lower (though still fairly decent) dps figure.
Rroff Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork 347	Posted - 2013.10.22 00:24:00 - [22] - Quote Nyancat Audeles wrote: [Stratios, OP] Cormack's Modified Magnetic Field Stabilizer Cormack's Modified Magnetic Field Stabilizer Unit W-634's Modified Drone Damage Amplifier Unit W-634's Modified Drone Damage Amplifier Damage Control II Gistum A-Type 10MN Microwarpdrive Gistum A-Type 10MN Afterburner Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Medium Energy Burst Aerator I Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I 'Augmented' Ogre x5 'Augmented' Ogre x15 OMG GAIS! OMG! DIS SHIP IS OP! EFT SAID SO! Hardly worth putting a burst aerator rig on that... and even less worth putting a Medium Energy Burst Aerator I rig on it :P

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