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Mordessa	Posted - 2003.08.26 01:42:00 - [1] To the Venal alliance, we thought you might want to know just what kind of corp you happen to be fighting and dieing for. You see we started this war with them long before the ôVerdictö posting ever went up, our ways are slightly different, and as you will see you are basically fighting us for nothing. Case and point number one. [15:23] {Malachi} Greetings, Molle. [15:23] {Malachi} Are you around at the moment? [16:03] {Molle} Now I am [16:03] {Malachi} Hello. [16:03] {Molle} oi [16:03] {Malachi} I was just wondering if you could tell me the reason for Evolutions hostile actions to TTI? [16:03] {Molle} hm? [16:04] {Molle} i think you need to expand on that a bit? [16:04] {Malachi} A number of our ships have been fired upon by your members. [16:04] {Malachi} And your ships claim that they will only fire upon TTI ships. [16:04] {Molle} By who and where? [16:05] {Malachi} Javi is one member [16:05] {Molle} Was the the pilot lootstealing or anything perhaps? [16:06] {Malachi} And i beleive Revolution was the other [16:06] {Molle} Well, we just had a massive influx of new members, about 20 or so [16:06] {Molle} Gimme some details so i can look into it [16:06] {Malachi} These two members are using Armaggedons [16:07] {Molle} well, thats not much help as almost all members fly bships [16:09] {Malachi} MHoshi and Deathwing (ingame names) pod TTI members, and claim to only pod TTI members [16:09] {Malachi} M Hoshi } You have nothing to fear some us.. unless you carry the TTI corp flag. [16:09] {Malachi} As quoted. [16:09] {Molle} k, ill look into it and get back to you [16:09] {Malachi} Ok, thankyou. [16:11] {Molle} Whats your TTI status as such, as in, who am i speaking to? [16:11] {Malachi} Im Malachi, a member of TTI Q-labs. [16:13] {Malachi} Im not a Diplomat, im just trying to find some information. [16:13] {Molle} kk So we were working under the deception of attacking you guys so that we could get better results of killing more unsuspecting TTI. Case and point #2 [18:37] {Calladen} Hi Molle. [18:38] {Calladen} One of our indys reported you guys have a big fleet up in Venal. Thats where alot of TTI are located. [18:38] {Calladen} We just wanted to say hello. [18:38] {Molle} Some darn fools trying to run us out of Venal, whats this venal alliance crap? [18:39] {Calladen} Its an alliance of sorts - TTI has an NAP with them (non agression pact). [18:39] {Molle} Well, we dont [18:39] {Calladen} What are they doing? [18:39] {Molle} Trying to scare of us [18:39] {Molle} us out* [18:39] {Molle} Needless to say they arent succeding [18:41] {Calladen} Yeah I've had a few requests for help from them. [18:41] {Calladen} They forget we have an NAP not an alliance. LOL [18:41] {Molle} well dur [18:41] {Molle} oh well, ill deal with em [18:41] {Calladen} dur? [18:41] {Molle} yeah as in "silly buggers, know what you are doing" [18:41] {Calladen} I had just joined TTI when TAOSP was at their pinacle. Its good to see you out here. [18:42] {Calladen} I'll mention TAOSP to them. That should scare the heck out of them. [18:42] {Molle} heh [18:43] {Calladen} Theyre mad we wont send help. [18:43] {Calladen} But heck we have no beef with Evo you guys are alright in my book. [18:43] {Molle} i know they are mad [18:43] {Molle} soon they will know as well [18:44] {Calladen} Have you guys attacked any TTI ships? Ive had a report some of our members were podded this morning?[18:44] {Molle} So i heard, im still looking into it [18:45] {Calladen} OK - just making sure we're not your target up here. [18:45] {Calladen} [18:45] {Molle} Prety chaotic, we got about 20 new guys this week and i been away [18:45] {Calladen} OK - Do we have an NAP with Evolution? [18:45] {Molle} EVOL doesnt do NAP [18:46] {Molle} same as TAOSP, no NAP's [18:46] {Calladen} So are we safe from your fleet? I guess thats my big question. [18:47] {Molle} Unless anyone of your guys messed up somewhere i think so [18:47] {Calladen} Well I'm making it known were not to interfere with your operations. [18:48] {Calladen} Telling them just ignore Evo, you'll do the same for us. [18:48] {Molle} i'll see what has been going on [18:49] {Calladen} OK great. If you had a problem with one of our guys let me know I'll deal with it. [18:49] {Molle} sure thing [18:49] {Calladen} Have a good day. [18:49] {Molle} lata This is where you guys (Venal Alliance) entered in and started attacking us while we were only trying to attack TTI. As you will see they were more than willing to offer us support in assisting us in your destruction rather than assisting you with your defence. Case and point #3 [22:23] {Ragnar} I have a Dominix from Padron Inc in my sights [22:23] {Ragnar} In Ibura [22:24] {Ragnar} Now in Yoma [22:25] {Ragnar} No Isinokka [22:25] {Ragnar} following him - are you getting this? [22:27] {Ragnar} 4life is flying it [22:28] {Ragnar} I'm in a fully loaded Apocalypse wan
Mordessa	Posted - 2003.08.26 01:43:00 - [2] Continued from first post [22:23] {Ragnar} I have a Dominix from Padron Inc in my sights [22:23] {Ragnar} In Ibura [22:24] {Ragnar} Now in Yoma [22:25] {Ragnar} No Isinokka [22:25] {Ragnar} following him - are you getting this? [22:27] {Ragnar} 4life is flying it [22:28] {Ragnar} I'm in a fully loaded Apocalypse want me to take him down for you? (I am on an alternate char) I expect full compensation for the TTI ships you blew up for no reason today [22:28] {Ragnar} hellllloooooooo [22:32] {Ragnar} he is now in Piak [22:33] {Ragnar} obviously headed towards the syndicate region So as you can see they were more than willing to roll over on you like a cheap two dollar *****, and even ASSIST US in our so-called Venal Alliance campaign, which was nothing ever more than that of attacking TTI. Case and point #4 [18:21] {Ragnar> You there? [18:22] {Molle> in the middle of killing Venal, but yeah [18:22] {Ragnar> Any reason for your unprovoked attacks on TTI? [18:22] {Ragnar> not very sporting of you... [18:22] {Molle> none that i have found [18:23] {Ragnar> So you plan on more unprovoked, reasonless attacks you say? [18:23] {Molle> Yes [18:24] {Ragnar> Alright. So finally Ragnar pulls his head out of his ass and realizes just what is really happening, and now realizes that it is definitely in his best interest to enter into the alliance with Venal. Now, isnÆt it strange how a corporation of over 250+ members has had the least amount of casualties in this war? Venal, why do you continue to protect this type of a corporation? Surely with allies like this, enemies are one of the last things you would need?
sutty	Posted - 2003.08.26 01:52:00 - [3] owned.
Skillz	Posted - 2003.08.26 01:56:00 - [4] Perhaps TTI pays ISK and equipment. Perhpas TTI's main weapon is capital rather than skilled PvP-players?? Keep on flaming, lamers.
Ragnar	Posted - 2003.08.26 02:10:00 - [5] Evolution say they want to fight this war in game and not on the forums, yet they are the nexus of 10 different anti-tti threads. More anti-tti propaganda that is falling on the deaf ears of our many friends and allies in the galaxy. These are all extremely old logs that the Evolution scriveners feel the need to maintain to bolster whatever support their weak forces in game are unable to muster. Clearly, TTI was trying to ascertain the nature of the attacks towards TTI by Evolution, as they were all completely without a lucid casus belli. All Evolution has right now is corpses of miners, scouts, and industrial fliers of TTI and about a dozen anti-TTI threads filled with half-truths from their droll leader who has all the charisma of the stereotypical bad guy from the ancient movie "A Knight's Tale". - Ragnar Danneskj÷ld Taggart Transdimensional, Inc. http://www.taggarttransdimensional.com
SirMolle	Posted - 2003.08.26 02:13:00 - [6] I see it's getting to you.
Skillz	Posted - 2003.08.26 02:15:00 - [7] Edited by: Skillz on 26/08/2003 02:17:07 I must agree with Ragnar on that one. Logs of this kind says nothing. But if you can present screenshots of the logs (ie. chatwindows), then it's a whole different thing. Please all: Claim + Proof Keep on flaming, lamers.
Revolution	Posted - 2003.08.26 02:16:00 - [8] Edited by: Revolution on 26/08/2003 02:16:05 Quote: . All Evolution has right now is corpses of miners, scouts, and industrial fliers of TTI This is all your corp is, miners and industrial pilots. /me strokes ayn rands frozen corpse
Skillz	Posted - 2003.08.26 02:31:00 - [9] Allegations without proof, or very creditable witnesses only impress on people that aren't worth the effort in converting. Just my 2 cents. Yes, I think TTI are a bit more crooked than they'd like you to think though. Keep on flaming, lamers.
Flatliner	Posted - 2003.08.26 02:54:00 - [10] Heh those who know what happened first time Evo entered Venal will know the credability of that log, im certain Venal Alliance will know. But as always to those on the outside it seems insane and untrue like most of these threads of slaughtered miners and tortured industrial ships. Best of all, i've yet to find a miner 1 or miner 2 in the destroyed ships cargo lmao. /me Stabs Beenthere's corpse. Next time you talk smack in local, don't go afk at a moon :) Regards, Flatliner.
Skillz	Posted - 2003.08.26 03:00:00 - [11] How hard is it to post a screenshot of a corpse, a miner 2, a locked and pretty dead battleship? Keep on flaming, lamers.
Homo Erectus	Posted - 2003.08.26 03:07:00 - [12] Raid used to say that whenever we killed someone, they were really just an easy target and/or miner/newbie/explorer/drone ect ect. Well dur. WATCH OUT THOUGH GUYS, RAGNAR WILL SUE YOU SO HARD YOUR CHARACTER'S HEAD WILL SPIN.
Drakmarr Banyon	Posted - 2003.08.26 06:37:00 - [13] Edited by: Drakmarr Banyon on 26/08/2003 06:51:50 Drudging up dead corpse I see; this anti TTI propoganda is beginning to make my eyes hurt. Homo: your last comment is lame and unsubstantial also flamatory. Molle your days in TAOSP may have been times of good cheer for you and all the limelite that you played in, but your glory days have expired. In the many post that you have laid on the forums you have yet to truly support your words. In the many feeble attempts to meet the force of TTI you have failed. You have walked in these halls for some time but you do not hold the weight of being a true Veteran yet. Your corporations battle tactics are predictable and weak and I have watched with my own eyes as you all have tucked tails and run into a station quivering in a corner besides the waste dump. You bleed your men out of the station one by one trying to trickle out of venal like seeping faucet. The only logic I can place on your tactics is that of PR. By pitting yourself against the TTI Empire you can once again sit in the limelight and bank on the countless amount of readers on the threads that see you and your corporation. I think that you want recognition by the community and that is the reason behind your profound amount of anti TTI threads. If you truely wanted to battle the giant like you say you do then you would fight in the game and stop trying to plug yourself to the public for hopes of increasing your employee list, and boosting your ego. You want to be known as the one who slayed the giant but you lack two things; 1. You are not a good spokesman and cannot drive any kind of serious campaign; 2. You lack the military skill and courage to do any kind of honorable battle. Go to sleep molle, crawl back into your hole and burrow yourself deep into the mud and dirt and dont forget to take your minions with you.
Revolution	Posted - 2003.08.26 08:27:00 - [14] You sir are a reject. For a start, we dont recruit. And, you and your 20 corp alliance and 250+ tti alone member count, are getting spanked by a very small number of us. I think the bare logistics of that should be enough for anyone to realise that our leader has more charisma and flair than any of you pathetic, selfrighteous, clueless soon to be corpses.
FunGuy	Posted - 2003.08.26 08:50:00 - [15] I'm not in venal myself so any response from me about that would be mainly based on second hand information, so I'm not gonna post it. The comparison of posts by TTI and Evo people is very telling. Evo people are telling people their versions of what happened, theres other TTI posts on the forum doing the same so I really don't see your problem. The TTI posts on this thread seam to have turned their attention to personally flaming molle. The other thing mentioned in this post is the "running away" aspect of the game. The reason people run away (and I include TTI and other corps including m0o and RUS) is because being outnumbered usually means you will die, but being heavily outnumbered WILL mean you die. if u have 4 battleships and the enemy has 5 battleships then you might fight, but if you have 4 battleships and the enemy has 20 battleships your not even going to try. People work hard for their ships, and while they aren't irriplaceable its not cheap to do. I don't see the point in flaming someone for something you would do (and have done) yourself FunGuy Proud to be Xanadu Xanadu T2 BP's
Mordessa	Posted - 2003.08.26 09:42:00 - [16] Edited by: Mordessa on 26/08/2003 09:45:34 Quote: Evolution say they want to fight this war in game and not on the forums, yet they are the nexus of 10 different anti-tti threads. More anti-tti propaganda that is falling on the deaf ears of our many friends and allies in the galaxy. These are all extremely old logs that the Evolution scriveners feel the need to maintain to bolster whatever support their weak forces in game are unable to muster. Clearly, TTI was trying to ascertain the nature of the attacks towards TTI by Evolution, as they were all completely without a lucid casus belli. All Evolution has right now is corpses of miners, scouts, and industrial fliers of TTI and about a dozen anti-TTI threads filled with half-truths from their droll leader who has all the charisma of the stereotypical bad guy from the ancient movie "A Knight's Tale". Ahhh Thank you great and wonderful Ragnar for coming out and yet again talking down to us all.... Also thanks for our upgrade in status, to the "scriveners" I can only imagine what we were before. Anyhow you say that these are old logs, and yeah your right, I did have to go down a couple of lines on our forums to dig them out, but you make it sound as if we were all in diapers when we started knocking at your Corporations hulls.... Come come dear boy, just how long have we been knocking at those hulls? Anyhow, we only wanted to present to your allies our theory on why you so suddenly wanted to turn that NAP with Venal into an alliance so quickly. I mean after all we dont really want them, just you. By the way Ragnar, I wasnt born with a silver spoon up my a, and my public school didnt offer a Latin coarse.... So how about doing me a favor? lucid casus belli** Exactly what does that mean? Dont get me wrong here, I have a good idea of what it may mean, but just for clarification. Please? I mean after all, Molle only translated the following to us, after our first day of visiting with your fine peeps...... VENI VIDI VICI
Stavros	Posted - 2003.08.26 09:46:00 - [17] OMG OMG OMG can YOU dig it? -- "Keep On Flaming Lamers, Like Your Ships Did When We Ended You"
sutty	Posted - 2003.08.26 10:35:00 - [18] me puts stav back into pocket
Deathwing	Posted - 2003.08.26 10:37:00 - [19] This isnÆt an Anti-TTI thread ItÆs an informative broadcast for the other members of the Venal Alliance I mean, here is Ragnar pretty much caught with his pants down saying he will engage a ship from Pardon Inc. Which is a Venal alliance member, who at the time, TTI had a NAP with. Now, I am not sure Ragnar's Corporate Definition of a NAP, but I am fairly sure that the people he had a NAP with, did not think it included being allowed to engage each others ships with Alt-Chars. Yes I think TTI joined the Venal Alliance because they were having a rough time in Empire Space due to other wars and such. I have 2 questions though. Firstly directed to Venal: After seeing something like this, does your alliance truly wish to support and protect a corporation that is only in it for their own best interests, and is will to succeed at the expense of the corporations that trust them? Secondly to Ragnar: I do hope that being the CEO of a RL Company (apparently a fortune 500 corp or something) That you have hired a very good PR Director, because you are definitely not cut out for the job. Perhaps you should dip into your infinite funds and pay her part-time to cover for TTI as well. N e ways I was bored and wanted to post something toodles (Wonders where the Venal Spin Doctor is at these days) <Stavros> A MAN DRESSED AS SPIDERMAN KICKED MY ASS
Ulstan	Posted - 2003.08.26 14:22:00 - [20] Yeah we have the Evolution Spin Doctor here... where is our Venal Alliance Spin Doctor? Basically what I see is Evolution lying to TTi and TTi lying to Evolution. Am I supposed to care? :D I'm inclined to side with TTi if for no other reason than that in general they do a pretty good job of keeping their cool despite the incessant and groundless attacks on them in the forums :)
Endyl	Posted - 2003.08.26 14:24:00 - [21] >I'm inclined to side with TTi if for no other >reason than that in general they do a pretty >good job of keeping their cool despite the >incessant and groundless attacks on them in >the forums :) Or maybe because you are allies ?
sutty	Posted - 2003.08.26 14:24:00 - [22] your in there alliance why wouldn't you agree with tti.
Ulstan	Posted - 2003.08.26 14:28:00 - [23] Edited by: Ulstan on 26/08/2003 14:33:23 Sutty is not very good at reading at all. Must be because he has no pupils! This thread is addressed to current V-A members, essentially asking them to rethink remaining allied with TTi. Now, if someone in the alliance says, "Yeah, seen it all, I'm ok with the TTi alliance" and then Sutty comes and says "Of course you're ok with it you're in the alliance!" then uh... I'm a bit confused. ;) And we didn't always use to be allied with TTi. We pirated some of their ships way back when. And unlike some people, they were fairly courteous and business like about it. (No out of game insults yelled, etc)
Mordessa	Posted - 2003.08.26 14:51:00 - [24] Edited by: Mordessa on 26/08/2003 14:51:57 Quote: And we didn't always use to be allied with TTi. We pirated some of their ships way back when. And unlike some people, they were fairly courteous and business like about it. (No out of game insults yelled, etc) Ah yes but did you have an NAP with them? Were you also were you trying to enter into an alliance with them "way back when"???? I would be willing to bet that if you were, things would have been quite different...
Skillz	Posted - 2003.08.26 15:09:00 - [25] Skillz is a member of CRAP. Citizens Requireing Advanced Propaganga. Meaning proof of allegation, or any kind of substance at the very minimum. TTI however likes to talk down to people, even if it might be unintentional. It could also be that TTI has 'drifted' into somekind of corporate arrogance. EV did that with me and I cost them far more than they can ever cost me. If TTI does that with hundreds of people, you get the mess it's in right now. Keep on flaming, lamers.
Indigo Seqi	Posted - 2003.08.26 15:25:00 - [26] Talk talk talk talk talk, I haven't seen any action from Evo in days. "OMG NOOB WE HAVE YOUR ANAL, OH VENAL (all laugh) CORPSES ALL RIGHT HERE!" Yeah grats on your use of guerilla and psychological warfare, but although this does seem to make you have fun, it's not really helping you establish the reputation you seem to be looking for so hard. I guess you're all still sad Evo isn't as badass as TAOSP was and never will be anymore. Oh and try not to act like morons and using your kind of counterstrike-elite-kid type of posting and talking. I know you're probably at least semi-adult, so please at least try to act like it.
sutty	Posted - 2003.08.26 16:14:00 - [27] kinda like Warelf ( venal member ) saying he hopes frst dies in a car crash.
Ulstan	Posted - 2003.08.26 16:23:00 - [28] Mordessa: My point is if TTi was willing to overlook us pirating their vessels in the past to form an alliance that could potentially benefit both of us, why shouldn't we be allowing to overlook things in their past? And maybe TAOSP was before my time, but I dont' really know what that was. Would someone be kind enough to clue me in? :)
Homo Erectus	Posted - 2003.08.26 16:50:00 - [29] maybe in another thread ulstan... but it would be filled with flames, and this one already has its potential met.
OttoMarks GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.11.02 20:12:00 - [30] Is this how you do it?

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