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Scalor Valentis	Posted - 2006.01.22 14:41:00 - [1] The topick speak of it self, i and prolly many others, want anwsers. This topick has had numerous treads, and will continue having more untill we wont get anwsers on questions. A) Why thanathos is 1,4 times beter tha others? B) Is there REALY any use having 5% remote repair cycle duration? C) Why is carriers able to use ALL races figters? That only favors the Strongest (thanathos) Please tell us mortals and minmatars, why shuld we train minmatar carrier, at all?
pshepherd	Posted - 2006.01.22 14:47:00 - [2] Gallente are the droners, so they get the best carrier. Caldari are the best missile guys, so we get the best Stealth bombers... minmatar are unimportant ============== This is a sig
M3ta7h3ad	Posted - 2006.01.22 14:50:00 - [3] Minmatar get the best duck tape! :) oh and its Duck tape.. not Duct :P Duct Tape is different all together :) ----- Memorable Quotes <Jarltan Dimtras> OH MY GOD MY GF IS A DUDE
Scalor Valentis	Posted - 2006.01.22 14:54:00 - [4] Edited by: Scalor Valentis on 22/01/2006 14:56:01 Originally by: pshepherd Gallente are the droners, so they get the best carrier. Caldari are the best missile guys, so we get the best Stealth bombers... minmatar are unimportant Yes, but thees are fighters, not drones, and acording CCP EVE lore, Caldari are beter with maned fighters than ghaylentes. So shall we Keep RP the Frack away from this? Its ok to turn the carrier bonuses into direction of the races general strenght/weakneses. But frankly 40m/s more speed dont justify MANY many suckkines minmatar carrier now got. And we dont even have the advantage of minmatar fighter monopoly as all can use them. I bet my left nut, that we will see thanatoses filled with Minmatar/amarr fighters, as this way you deal 75% EM/Explosive damage and 25% Kinetick/thermal - Yaya for sanity of whoever thot this wonderful idea up
Jorge Kamzell	Posted - 2006.01.22 15:02:00 - [5] Edited by: Jorge Kamzell on 22/01/2006 15:02:47 Originally by: Scalor Valentis The topick speak of it self, i and prolly many others, want anwsers. This topick has had numerous treads, and will continue having more untill we wont get anwsers on questions. A) Why thanathos is 1,4 times beter tha others? B) Is there REALY any use having 5% remote repair cycle duration? C) Why is carriers able to use ALL races figters? That only favors the Strongest (thanathos) Please tell us mortals and minmatars, why shuld we train minmatar carrier, at all? A] Thanatos is the most expensive to produce. Not sure if thats the justification for making it the best of its class though B] I agree. Should have been a much better bonus type than that tbh. C] Yep, totally agree. The fighters should only be usuable with their Carrier-type. If any balancing was to occur this is what needs fixing first - then they could tweak the fighters to balance out their respective Carrier. CAPCI Website: For Carriers, Fighters, and Capital Ship Components.
Scalor Valentis	Posted - 2006.01.22 15:04:00 - [6] Edited by: Scalor Valentis on 22/01/2006 15:04:39 Originally by: Jorge Kamzell A] Thanatos is the most expensive to produce. Not sure if thats the justification for making it the best of its class though Yeah, if cost == Eficensy = Typhoon == Best tire 1 BS ?? i think not
theRaptor	Posted - 2006.01.22 15:09:00 - [7] Originally by: M3ta7h3ad Minmatar get the best duck tape! :) oh and its Duck tape.. not Duct :P Duct Tape is different all together :) Nope, go do a quick Google. I don't think you trust, in, my, self-righteous suicide.
M3ta7h3ad	Posted - 2006.01.22 15:13:00 - [8] Edited by: M3ta7h3ad on 22/01/2006 15:15:27 indeed. take your own advice. Duck tape originally invented to waterproof ammo cases in wwII. Duct tape was the civilian version changed from Green to Silver (therefore different :)) used to seal heating and ventilation piping and ducts. Gaffa tape also a common misconception is not duct/duck tape, its infact a stronger adhesive and often coloured and treated to be anti-reflection to be used on stage and film. Oh and another difference... Duct tape now has to be certified to withstand certain heat requirements. Duck tape does not. ----- Memorable Quotes <Jarltan Dimtras> OH MY GOD MY GF IS A DUDE
Azuriel Talloth	Posted - 2006.01.22 15:17:00 - [9] More importantly... Interdictors: Destroyer-class vessels, designed to pull other vessels out of warp.
Scalor Valentis	Posted - 2006.01.22 15:42:00 - [10] Stop hijacking my tread T__T This are bugs that are same for all, once they are fixed minmatars will still suck ...
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.01.22 15:46:00 - [11] Originally by: M3ta7h3ad Duck tape originally invented to waterproof ammo cases in wwII. Duct tape was the civilian version changed from Green to Silver (therefore different :)) used to seal heating and ventilation piping and ducts. Gaffa tape also a common misconception is not duct/duck tape, its infact a stronger adhesive and often coloured and treated to be anti-reflection to be used on stage and film. its much easier to tear gaffa than duct tape...
Terradoct	Posted - 2006.01.22 15:47:00 - [12] Maybe the bonus that aplayes to carrier (like armor\shield resist), should aslo apply to fighters. For ammar it will be armor resist across the bord for carrier and fighters that are under control of that carrier, for caldary it's shield resists, for minmantar will be ROF bonus ( while for carrier it will be ROF for Energy and Shield trasfer ), Galante one will stiil have 10% dmg for fighters.
Scalor Valentis	Posted - 2006.01.22 15:48:00 - [13] Originally by: Terradoct Maybe the bonus that aplayes to carrier (like armor\shield resist), should aslo apply to fighters. For ammar it will be armor resist across the bord for carrier and fighters that are under control of that carrier, for caldary it's shield resists, for minmantar will be ROF bonus ( while for carrier it will be ROF for Energy and Shield trasfer ), Galante one will stiil have 10% dmg for fighters. and this whuld solve the problem... how? So now we will have minmatar carriers who will do most DPS?
Baldour Ngarr	Posted - 2006.01.22 15:53:00 - [14] The idea is that the GAME is balanced; not that every single ship class is exactly equal for all four races. If having a better carrier is sooooo big an issue, then the carrier class itself is overbalanced and needs heavily nerfing. ________________________________________________ "I tried strip mining, but I lost, and it's cold flying around in space naked."
Scalor Valentis	Posted - 2006.01.22 15:56:00 - [15] Sir, have you ever seen what almost max skilled Thanathos do to a BS ?
Istvaan Shogaatsu	Posted - 2006.01.22 15:58:00 - [16] The Caldari carrier needs to be better. We are after all unmatched in fighter development.
EL LeFemme	Posted - 2006.01.22 16:00:00 - [17] give minmatar one speed, agility and signature size for fighters bonus instead of duration
Shinnen	Posted - 2006.01.22 16:05:00 - [18] Originally by: M3ta7h3ad Edited by: M3ta7h3ad on 22/01/2006 15:15:27 indeed. take your own advice. Duck tape originally invented to waterproof ammo cases in wwII. Duct tape was the civilian version changed from Green to Silver (therefore different :)) used to seal heating and ventilation piping and ducts. Gaffa tape also a common misconception is not duct/duck tape, its infact a stronger adhesive and often coloured and treated to be anti-reflection to be used on stage and film. Oh and another difference... Duct tape now has to be certified to withstand certain heat requirements. Duck tape does not. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duct_Tape sorted :) --- INFOD
Terradoct	Posted - 2006.01.22 16:08:00 - [19] Edited by: Terradoct on 22/01/2006 16:08:31 Originally by: Scalor Valentis Originally by: Terradoct Maybe the bonus that aplayes to carrier (like armor\shield resist), should aslo apply to fighters. For ammar it will be armor resist across the bord for carrier and fighters that are under control of that carrier, for caldary it's shield resists, for minmantar will be ROF bonus ( while for carrier it will be ROF for Energy and Shield trasfer ), Galante one will stiil have 10% dmg for fighters. and this whuld solve the problem... how? So now we will have minmatar carriers who will do most DPS? Guess I didn't cleary state my point. The bonuses are apllyed only for there race fighters. This means that shield resistance only aplly to caldari fighters, same as for others ships bonuses, like medium hybryd turrets dmg bonus. It doesn't give bonus for projectiles.
M3ta7h3ad	Posted - 2006.01.22 16:15:00 - [20] Edited by: M3ta7h3ad on 22/01/2006 16:16:44 Originally by: Shinnen Originally by: M3ta7h3ad Edited by: M3ta7h3ad on 22/01/2006 15:15:27 indeed. take your own advice. Duck tape originally invented to waterproof ammo cases in wwII. Duct tape was the civilian version changed from Green to Silver (therefore different :)) used to seal heating and ventilation piping and ducts. Gaffa tape also a common misconception is not duct/duck tape, its infact a stronger adhesive and often coloured and treated to be anti-reflection to be used on stage and film. Oh and another difference... Duct tape now has to be certified to withstand certain heat requirements. Duck tape does not. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duct_Tape sorted :) Not really.. considering wikipedia is a user based resource. Its only as good as the information the folk fed into it. :) And it still agrees with me that current duct and duck tape are two different things :) And aye @ hippo.. its also extremely good at tearing your lip open when your hanging from a lighting rig about 20ft above a stage trying to tape a bastard cable out of the way and decide to rip it using your teeth. (normally rippable by hand, but I had one hand holding the cable on) Went up normal... came down faced the lx manager grinning with blood smudged all over my face. "what the f... did you just eat someone?!" ----- Memorable Quotes <Jarltan Dimtras> OH MY GOD MY GF IS A DUDE
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2006.01.22 16:19:00 - [21] Originally by: M3ta7h3ad Edited by: M3ta7h3ad on 22/01/2006 16:16:44 Originally by: Shinnen Originally by: M3ta7h3ad Edited by: M3ta7h3ad on 22/01/2006 15:15:27 indeed. take your own advice. Duck tape originally invented to waterproof ammo cases in wwII. Duct tape was the civilian version changed from Green to Silver (therefore different :)) used to seal heating and ventilation piping and ducts. Gaffa tape also a common misconception is not duct/duck tape, its infact a stronger adhesive and often coloured and treated to be anti-reflection to be used on stage and film. Oh and another difference... Duct tape now has to be certified to withstand certain heat requirements. Duck tape does not. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duct_Tape sorted :) Not really.. considering wikipedia is a user based resource. Its only as good as the information the folk fed into it. :) According to a recent study, its 33% more accurate than Britannica and far more expansive. I mean does Britannica have an article on Lost, EVE Online, or Donnie Darko? -- Proud member of the [23]. The Tachikomas are DEAD! Click sig for video.
James Lyrus	Posted - 2006.01.22 16:19:00 - [22] Manticore syndrome all over again. Unfortunately where 'frigate 5' isn't too hard, BS 5 is a big deal. -- We are recruiting Carriers on sale
Asphyxia Mortella	Posted - 2006.01.22 16:30:00 - [23] and britanica is only as good as its publishers.
Wee Dave	Posted - 2006.01.22 16:31:00 - [24] Originally by: Dark Shikari According to a recent study, its 33% more accurate than Britannica and far more expansive. I mean does Britannica have an article on Lost, EVE Online, or Donnie Darko? That's not quite correct; only scientific articles were reviewed and the reviewers had serious complaints over the structure of most Wiki articles. Recently I had to remove a reference to Eve winning the 2005 MMO reader's choice awards ... two weeks before the results were announced. Nice, but a little bit early
M3ta7h3ad	Posted - 2006.01.22 16:41:00 - [25] Edited by: M3ta7h3ad on 22/01/2006 16:41:40 The journal who did the reviews compared 10 scientific articles. In this case 3 errors were picked up in britanica, 2 picked up in wikipedia. This does not mean that of the hundreds of thousands nay.. millions of articles involved in both that wikipedia is 33.3% more accurate than britanica. It just means in those ten articles tested... it was. oh and the journal... twas called "nature" I think. :) ----- Memorable Quotes <Jarltan Dimtras> OH MY GOD MY GF IS A DUDE
Scalor Valentis	Posted - 2006.01.22 16:50:00 - [26] Minmatar Fighters.... Goose made of Duck tape
Faith Black	Posted - 2006.01.22 16:55:00 - [27] Edited by: Faith Black on 22/01/2006 16:57:13 Originally by: Baldour Ngarr The idea is that the GAME is balanced; not that every single ship class is exactly equal for all four races. If having a better carrier is sooooo big an issue, then the carrier class itself is overbalanced and needs heavily nerfing. Well, except the vagabond there is no minnie ship from which I'd say at the moment: 'Hell, yes, that's great ship !' ... and other hacs are also nice. So guess Minnie is meant for people, who like the trash style or who like to be proud that they can make some minnie ships at least ship at an acceptable level by spending millions and millions of SP.
fairimear	Posted - 2006.01.22 17:15:00 - [28] Edited by: fairimear on 22/01/2006 17:20:45 stop moaning. thantos 4tw about time gallente got something not half assed or pre nerfed. and as for the lure thing. the caldari war was along time ago, caldari seemed to have abandoned their fighters in place of missiles. gallente kept their drones and developed them so it's inherant that they would have the best fighters in modern times considering the experiance they bring from drones. o and because the min carriers are the best looking. would murder for a hell with nyx like stats. and maybe a silver/reflective skin.
Gonada	Posted - 2006.01.22 17:41:00 - [29] shall we Keep RP the Frack away from this? --------------------------------------------- cant because the ships are RACE, therefore no matter how much you caldari pigs whine bout how unfair it all is, it is based on the innate RP of the game. -I don't necessarily agree with everything I say.-
Scalor Valentis	Posted - 2006.01.22 17:48:00 - [30] Edited by: Scalor Valentis on 22/01/2006 17:49:13 No honestly, lets keep RP away from this and consentrate in racial diversity. Current EVE racial diversity is FAR far from original EVE lore, so please STFU. Theye are not drones, they are fighters. preiod. On other hand, lets give each race something that fits theye style of playing. and somehow the 5% cycle bonus on support systems is not what minmatar engineers whuld think to include in theye cariers as a first thing in the morning. Carriers are bugged? yes. Carriers are unblanaced? Yes. Carriers need lots of SP and isk? Yes. Broken hig end contend, may not be issue for 95% of EVE player base, atleast not untill they all start to whine "omg Thanatos raped our 10 Bs fleet WAAAAAAAAAH"

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