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Legality
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.10.06 10:18:00 -
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SO as a new player to eve and Faction warfare.
ALL I see are pirate corps set up on gates to low sec coming from High sec and insta poping and poding newbies.
As in all games where the masses are allowed to play there will always be "greivers", but that leaves me to 1 question
Why would anyone play THIS game if they are blown up every time they decided to go and try to plex a system, when your only route is thru the one gate where 10 pirates are posted waiting for you.
Sure isk is easy to make, after you have established time in the game and have the resources to earn it
Sure combat is easy, after you have established the time in the game to use the stuff that makes it easy.
I started with 5k isk and a ship that does lol 11 dps. so how am I to make isk in FW when I cant outrun, outgun or hold my ground from their assaults.
Not really seeing the fun in that. |
Karak Bol
GAZNOROCK Inc.
GANOR INC.
111
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Posted - 2013.10.06 10:33:00 -
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Go to another system thats not camped? Skill up Hull upgrades II (like 2 hours) for some Warpcore Stabbies and Nanos then refit when in deeper low? Get some friends, kill the camp? |
David Devant
CTRL-Q
Iron Oxide.
114
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Posted - 2013.10.06 10:40:00 -
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You have to solve problems in this game. It's hard. That's why most people like it. As for your 'problems', they are far from insurmountable. Because I'm a lovely guy (ask anyone), I'll lay it out for you.
1) Enter low sec in a pod (pirates can't catch you)
2) Go to friendly hub system
3) Buy frigate
4) Find quiet backwater
5) Open plex
6) Run if someone chases you
7) Cash in lp
You can easily make an excellent income doing this which will fund your development as a player and increase your understanding of game mechanics.
When I started playing this game I ratted in low sec to earn isk. It took me about a day's grind to afford a cruiser. You could manage the same in about 15 minutes. In summary: quit whining.
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Sean Parisi
Fugutive Task Force
A T O N E M E N T
342
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Posted - 2013.10.06 10:58:00 -
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Someone doesn't have access to a gate happy cam. |
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
Samurai Pizza Cats
649
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Posted - 2013.10.06 12:54:00 -
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Getting and being blowd up is actually the point of low sec. If you goal is simply to plex a system then im kinda glad you are having trouble. |
Baron' Soontir Fel
Justified Chaos
49
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Posted - 2013.10.06 15:49:00 -
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I highly highly suggest joining a noob-friendly corp. They'll help you move stuff into low-sec and from there you can start doing what you want.
As a new player to Eve, I suggest you hold off from FW for about a month until you get your very basic skills trained up. Then apply to a corp that helps to train new pilots. They'll usually help you get in ships, give you advice on flying, training skills, how to get past those gate camps, etc. There's so many things that a group of players can do in Eve that a single solo player cannot. And given that you're new... flying around solo will be incredibly painful. |
RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
505
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Posted - 2013.10.06 16:25:00 -
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One of the goals in EVE is to BE THAT CAMPER !
Another is to get into a fleet and KILL THOSE CAMPERS !
You're just not there yet.
When you do get there, the PvP part is much more fun than the PvE part.
Remember, 95% of the ships in EVE have guns... |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
Late Night Alliance
3346
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Posted - 2013.10.06 16:53:00 -
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Make some powerful friends and smash the gatecamp? Always worked for me.
Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective. |
Anya Klibor
Error-404
Cup Of ConKrete.
427
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Posted - 2013.10.06 18:26:00 -
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One time, I watched a GCC PRoteus camping a gate jump into high sec to evade our gatecamp-killing fleet. That was a good haul for me. |
Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch
OLD MAN GANG
568
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Posted - 2013.10.06 19:29:00 -
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EVE has always many ways to do same thing.
It seems that you used most obvious way to do something and usually griefers, pirates, enemies etc exploit the most obvious ways, camping and killing newbies, lazy and careless players.
If you really want to try FW and you really are newcomer to eve, i recommend that you join some veteran militia corporation who helps out giving some advises and maybe even material support to get started. |
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
2064
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Posted - 2013.10.06 19:32:00 -
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if all you want is to plex.. plex somewhere else. WZ is quite large. Certain gates seem to attract camps more than others (hint).
camping gates isn't very skill intensive or honorable but a completely valid game mechanic and works while being drunk.
eve style bounties (done)
dust boarding parties
imagine there is war and everybody cloaks - join FW |
Major Killz
La Fraternite
246
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Posted - 2013.10.06 20:03:00 -
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I feel you bro. That's why I gave up on pvp and now I'm doing missions and exploration. Going to get that new Sisters of Eve cruiser = )
- Killz
Combat Log: http://www.youtube.com/user/kdsalmon/videos
- Pantaloon II: Violins (Jun 23, 2013) |
Morgan Torry
Arma Purgatorium
Templis Dragonaors
154
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Posted - 2013.10.06 23:15:00 -
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If you can't stand the group-centric PvP elements, don't go to a place where PvP is 99% of the life there. If all you want to do is farm ISK then stay in highsec and run missions.
Arma Purgatorium - For the State, For the Corporation
Faction Warfare, PvP, Training
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Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction
559
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Posted - 2013.10.07 00:24:00 -
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Legality wrote:SO as a new player to eve and Faction warfare.
ALL I see are pirate corps set up on gates to low sec coming from High sec and insta poping and poding newbies.
As in all games where the masses are allowed to play there will always be "greivers", but that leaves me to 1 question
Why would anyone play THIS game if they are blown up every time they decided to go and try to plex a system, when your only route is thru the one gate where 10 pirates are posted waiting for you.
Sure isk is easy to make, after you have established time in the game and have the resources to earn it
Sure combat is easy, after you have established the time in the game to use the stuff that makes it easy.
I started with 5k isk and a ship that does lol 11 dps. so how am I to make isk in FW when I cant outrun, outgun or hold my ground from their assaults.
Not really seeing the fun in that.
Because you shoudl get into a REAL corp and ask the members to teach you how ato avoid this certain death.
HInt.. your failure is not at the gate.. is at staying at the noob corps.
"If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |
Marc Callan
Interstellar Steel
Templis Dragonaors
310
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Posted - 2013.10.07 08:21:00 -
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There are several ways to bypass gate camps.
First is to travel-fit your ship; warp core stabilizers, nanofibers to reduce align time, a microwarp drive to burn out or back to the gate, maybe a cloak. Not 100% guaranteed.
Second is to get a buddy to scout the other side of the gate for you; if you're in a corp operating in the war zones, generally there'll be at least one or two guys who can fly covert ops or force recon ships, who will be able to tell you if the gate's clear or not.
Third would be to try alternate routes, checking kill counts on the EVE in-game map or on the evemaps.dotlan.net maps. For entering Black Rise, for example, systems like Tama and Akidagi are often extremely active, but Ishomilken and Ikoskio are much quieter, and make decent alternate routes (at the expense of longer journeys once you're over the low-sec threshold). Friends who are familiar with the local astrography can be very helpful in this regard as well.
"Nevertheless a prince ought to inspire fear in such a way that, if he does not win love, he avoids hatred..."
- Niccolo Machiavelli-á |
Iyokus Patrouette
End-of-Line
7
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Posted - 2013.10.07 13:12:00 -
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wow, the universe of EvE is seemingly getting smaller and smaller. Apparently there is only one way to get somewhere (again).
Take some time to experiment with your eve map. It's amazing you can see ships in system in the last 30mins, how many ships have been destroyed and a whole bunch of other stuff.
and then you can plot a route to avoid those heavy traffic systems. . .
Also.. wormholes for the win, they can always spit you out anywhere. of course you then need to worry about a completely different type of camp.
Join End-of-Line, -EOL, today, and kill your CEO! (Terms and conditions apply.) |
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
1477
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Posted - 2013.10.07 14:39:00 -
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Legality wrote:SO as a new player to eve and Faction warfare.
ALL I see are pirate corps set up on gates to low sec coming from High sec and insta poping and poding newbies.
As in all games where the masses are allowed to play there will always be "greivers", but that leaves me to 1 question
Why would anyone play THIS game if they are blown up every time they decided to go and try to plex a system, when your only route is thru the one gate where 10 pirates are posted waiting for you.
Sure isk is easy to make, after you have established time in the game and have the resources to earn it
Sure combat is easy, after you have established the time in the game to use the stuff that makes it easy.
I started with 5k isk and a ship that does lol 11 dps. so how am I to make isk in FW when I cant outrun, outgun or hold my ground from their assaults.
Not really seeing the fun in that.
There are probably more ways into lowsec than there are big pirate corps in the game.
That is all.
(I for example have never ever lost anything going from high to low.)
BYDI recruitment closed-ish |
Sura Sadiva
Entropic Tactical Crew
630
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Posted - 2013.10.07 15:36:00 -
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Legality wrote:
ALL I see are pirate corps set up on gates to low sec coming from High sec and insta poping and poding newbies.
Just don't go trough those gates. Fastest High Sec - Low Sec access points are often camped, but there's always a backdoor, longer but safer.
But mostly: don't be a tourist, move and live in low sec, you will minimize the risk to travel trough that gates. FW is a low sec "profession".
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Kaivar Lancer
Metropolis Acquisition Services
316
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Posted - 2013.10.07 18:46:00 -
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To get pass a low-sec gate camp:
- install warp core stabilisers in your low slots (immune to warp scramble)
- insteall low friction nozzles in your rig slots (to boost agility and reduce align times)
- install small/medium shield modules in your mid slots (increase your survivability if you do get locked)
Put all the other modules you intend to use in your cargohold and dock at a station once you're pass the camp. Swap the modules & rigs there, and pat yourself on the back. :) |
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
Caldari State Capturing
572
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Posted - 2013.10.07 22:57:00 -
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The answer is -
Don't go to High sec.
Then you wont have to pass any camps to enter low sec.
If you want to get your soul to heaven, trust in me.
Now don't judge or question.
You are broken now, but faith can heal you.
Just do everything I tell you to do.
(Opiate - Tool) |
Major Killz
La Fraternite
250
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Posted - 2013.10.07 23:04:00 -
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You know. I'm starting to think CCP will introduce Interceptors that have 3 warp stabs built in and are nullified.
Might start having REAL TIME camp monitoring too. Like threw the billboards and sh!t. Change the channel in your captain's quarters to see what OMS or AMAMAKE gate is like... Game seems to be going that way.
- Killz
Combat Log: http://www.youtube.com/user/kdsalmon/videos
- Pantaloon II: Violins (Jun 23, 2013) |
Cage Man
270
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Posted - 2013.10.08 01:58:00 -
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Join a corp and they can help you get a foot hold. MMO's generally shouldn't be played solo.
The thick plottens...
CCP, When can my crane get its black paint job back?? |
Mycael
Self-Service Camping
33
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Posted - 2013.10.08 08:02:00 -
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Cage Man wrote:Join a corp and they can help you get a foot hold. MMO's generally shouldn't be played solo.
He didn't blow up alone. |
Seraph Castillon
Justified Chaos
127
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Posted - 2013.10.08 09:00:00 -
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If you want to play FW then live in low sec and learn how to live in lowsec. |
Alaric Faelen
Sabotage Incorporated
Executive Outcomes
171
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Posted - 2013.10.08 15:01:00 -
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Pirates at a gate aren't 'griefing' anymore than the enemy FW camping them, or plexes is. Denial of travel, resources, reinforcement, etc are among the most common tactics in any sort of warfare. This seems to come as a surprise to people when it really shouldn't.
Real militaries rarely operate lone warships during an open conflict (submarines being an exception), so flying solo into hostile space and being bushwhacked is a failing of tactics, not the game. Like the Achille Lauro incident- even the most powerful navy in the world can, and did, lose a multi-billion dollar military ship to hijackers when left unattended by escort. Essentially the US Navy's shiny T2 spy ship was ganked.
TBH, it demonstrates how close Eve comes to 'being real' at times. Flying alone in hostile space is wholly unrealistic for any military, and the tactic works as well in Eve as it does in RL.
Around the fringes of any major conflict, say four empires fighting perpetual war, there are always looters, thieves, pirates, and murderers looking to exploit it. It could be said that care bears selling ships and ammo in FW markets are little more than gun-runners and war profiteers directly arming the pirates!
The term pirate is also somewhat misapplied. They could simply be that the people that live in those regions don't want ANY of the empires there. Consider Afghanistan as an RL model- the people that actually live there hated BOTH the US and the (former) USSR. The locals accepted the help of the US to defeat the USSR during the 80's, then immediately turned on the US when the Russians left- their ultimate goal to expel BOTH sides from their land.
One capsuleer's terrorist is another capsuleer's freedom fighter
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Koujjo Dian
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
52
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Posted - 2013.10.08 16:00:00 -
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Seraph Castillon wrote:If you want to play FW then live in low sec and learn how to live in lowsec.
Not always an option. I work offshore for 2 weeks of every month and currently have ships stuck in Sahtogas after we lost it whenever it was while I was at work. I tried searching for a neutral station but apparently they kick you out too when your faction loses the system.
I now use an alt in a throw away frigate to recon my intended route from high sec before undocking something more expensive. Kind of a PITA but it works. Still looking for a better solution in the meantime. |
Princess Nexxala
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Samurai Pizza Cats
473
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Posted - 2013.10.08 16:44:00 -
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This man gets it
IbanezLaney wrote:The answer is -
Don't go to High sec.
Then you wont have to pass any camps to enter low sec.
http://thewaysofthemew.blogspot.com
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Anslo
The Scope
Gallente Federation
2840
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Posted - 2013.10.08 16:44:00 -
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If it makes you feel any better, not all of us gate camp. I personally find it boring, as do the others.
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Seraph Castillon
Justified Chaos
130
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Posted - 2013.10.08 21:45:00 -
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Koujjo Dian wrote:Seraph Castillon wrote:If you want to play FW then live in low sec and learn how to live in lowsec. Not always an option. I work offshore for 2 weeks of every month and currently have ships stuck in Sahtogas after we lost it whenever it was while I was at work. I tried searching for a neutral station but apparently they kick you out too when your faction loses the system.
Base out of true stronghold systems then. If your faction cannot be trusted to hold on to any system then base out of systems that are outside of the warzone, but are still lowsec. |
Deviant X
Sky Boxers
Northern Associates.
34
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Posted - 2013.10.09 02:07:00 -
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Dotlan Maps is your friend. As is getting to know the settings for the in-game map.
There is some good advice in this thread:
1. Join an established FW corp to teach you the ropes.
2. Join a training corp. There are a few corporations, schools, that help new players survive pvp. This will expand your survival to null sec where some mechanics are ... more aggressive. Then do FW.
Corps to talk to? This one, I will let you research.  You should not need more than a 3-8 weeks to get through their programs.
Good luck and have fun. |
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