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Legality State War Academy Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.10.06 10:18:00 - [1] - Quote SO as a new player to eve and Faction warfare. ALL I see are pirate corps set up on gates to low sec coming from High sec and insta poping and poding newbies. As in all games where the masses are allowed to play there will always be "greivers", but that leaves me to 1 question Why would anyone play THIS game if they are blown up every time they decided to go and try to plex a system, when your only route is thru the one gate where 10 pirates are posted waiting for you. Sure isk is easy to make, after you have established time in the game and have the resources to earn it Sure combat is easy, after you have established the time in the game to use the stuff that makes it easy. I started with 5k isk and a ship that does lol 11 dps. so how am I to make isk in FW when I cant outrun, outgun or hold my ground from their assaults. Not really seeing the fun in that.
Karak Bol GAZNOROCK Inc. GANOR INC. 111	Posted - 2013.10.06 10:33:00 - [2] - Quote Go to another system thats not camped? Skill up Hull upgrades II (like 2 hours) for some Warpcore Stabbies and Nanos then refit when in deeper low? Get some friends, kill the camp?
David Devant CTRL-Q Iron Oxide. 114	Posted - 2013.10.06 10:40:00 - [3] - Quote You have to solve problems in this game. It's hard. That's why most people like it. As for your 'problems', they are far from insurmountable. Because I'm a lovely guy (ask anyone), I'll lay it out for you. 1) Enter low sec in a pod (pirates can't catch you) 2) Go to friendly hub system 3) Buy frigate 4) Find quiet backwater 5) Open plex 6) Run if someone chases you 7) Cash in lp You can easily make an excellent income doing this which will fund your development as a player and increase your understanding of game mechanics. When I started playing this game I ratted in low sec to earn isk. It took me about a day's grind to afford a cruiser. You could manage the same in about 15 minutes. In summary: quit whining.
Sean Parisi Fugutive Task Force A T O N E M E N T 342	Posted - 2013.10.06 10:58:00 - [4] - Quote Someone doesn't have access to a gate happy cam.
Crosi Wesdo War and Order Samurai Pizza Cats 649	Posted - 2013.10.06 12:54:00 - [5] - Quote Getting and being blowd up is actually the point of low sec. If you goal is simply to plex a system then im kinda glad you are having trouble.
Baron' Soontir Fel Justified Chaos 49	Posted - 2013.10.06 15:49:00 - [6] - Quote I highly highly suggest joining a noob-friendly corp. They'll help you move stuff into low-sec and from there you can start doing what you want. As a new player to Eve, I suggest you hold off from FW for about a month until you get your very basic skills trained up. Then apply to a corp that helps to train new pilots. They'll usually help you get in ships, give you advice on flying, training skills, how to get past those gate camps, etc. There's so many things that a group of players can do in Eve that a single solo player cannot. And given that you're new... flying around solo will be incredibly painful.
RavenPaine RaVeN Alliance 505	Posted - 2013.10.06 16:25:00 - [7] - Quote One of the goals in EVE is to BE THAT CAMPER ! Another is to get into a fleet and KILL THOSE CAMPERS ! You're just not there yet. When you do get there, the PvP part is much more fun than the PvE part. Remember, 95% of the ships in EVE have guns...
ShahFluffers Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance 3346	Posted - 2013.10.06 16:53:00 - [8] - Quote Make some powerful friends and smash the gatecamp? Always worked for me. Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective.
Anya Klibor Error-404 Cup Of ConKrete. 427	Posted - 2013.10.06 18:26:00 - [9] - Quote One time, I watched a GCC PRoteus camping a gate jump into high sec to evade our gatecamp-killing fleet. That was a good haul for me.
Bad Messenger Nasranite Watch OLD MAN GANG 568	Posted - 2013.10.06 19:29:00 - [10] - Quote EVE has always many ways to do same thing. It seems that you used most obvious way to do something and usually griefers, pirates, enemies etc exploit the most obvious ways, camping and killing newbies, lazy and careless players. If you really want to try FW and you really are newcomer to eve, i recommend that you join some veteran militia corporation who helps out giving some advises and maybe even material support to get started.
Bienator II madmen of the skies 2064	Posted - 2013.10.06 19:32:00 - [11] - Quote if all you want is to plex.. plex somewhere else. WZ is quite large. Certain gates seem to attract camps more than others (hint). camping gates isn't very skill intensive or honorable but a completely valid game mechanic and works while being drunk. eve style bounties (done) dust boarding parties imagine there is war and everybody cloaks - join FW
Major Killz La Fraternite 246	Posted - 2013.10.06 20:03:00 - [12] - Quote I feel you bro. That's why I gave up on pvp and now I'm doing missions and exploration. Going to get that new Sisters of Eve cruiser = ) - Killz Combat Log: http://www.youtube.com/user/kdsalmon/videos - Pantaloon II: Violins (Jun 23, 2013)
Morgan Torry Arma Purgatorium Templis Dragonaors 154	Posted - 2013.10.06 23:15:00 - [13] - Quote If you can't stand the group-centric PvP elements, don't go to a place where PvP is 99% of the life there. If all you want to do is farm ISK then stay in highsec and run missions. Arma Purgatorium - For the State, For the Corporation Faction Warfare, PvP, Training
Kagura Nikon Mentally Assured Destruction 559	Posted - 2013.10.07 00:24:00 - [14] - Quote Legality wrote: SO as a new player to eve and Faction warfare. ALL I see are pirate corps set up on gates to low sec coming from High sec and insta poping and poding newbies. As in all games where the masses are allowed to play there will always be "greivers", but that leaves me to 1 question Why would anyone play THIS game if they are blown up every time they decided to go and try to plex a system, when your only route is thru the one gate where 10 pirates are posted waiting for you. Sure isk is easy to make, after you have established time in the game and have the resources to earn it Sure combat is easy, after you have established the time in the game to use the stuff that makes it easy. I started with 5k isk and a ship that does lol 11 dps. so how am I to make isk in FW when I cant outrun, outgun or hold my ground from their assaults. Not really seeing the fun in that. Because you shoudl get into a REAL corp and ask the members to teach you how ato avoid this certain death. HInt.. your failure is not at the gate.. is at staying at the noob corps. "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!"
Marc Callan Interstellar Steel Templis Dragonaors 310	Posted - 2013.10.07 08:21:00 - [15] - Quote There are several ways to bypass gate camps. First is to travel-fit your ship; warp core stabilizers, nanofibers to reduce align time, a microwarp drive to burn out or back to the gate, maybe a cloak. Not 100% guaranteed. Second is to get a buddy to scout the other side of the gate for you; if you're in a corp operating in the war zones, generally there'll be at least one or two guys who can fly covert ops or force recon ships, who will be able to tell you if the gate's clear or not. Third would be to try alternate routes, checking kill counts on the EVE in-game map or on the evemaps.dotlan.net maps. For entering Black Rise, for example, systems like Tama and Akidagi are often extremely active, but Ishomilken and Ikoskio are much quieter, and make decent alternate routes (at the expense of longer journeys once you're over the low-sec threshold). Friends who are familiar with the local astrography can be very helpful in this regard as well. "Nevertheless a prince ought to inspire fear in such a way that, if he does not win love, he avoids hatred..." - Niccolo Machiavelli-á
Iyokus Patrouette End-of-Line 7	Posted - 2013.10.07 13:12:00 - [16] - Quote wow, the universe of EvE is seemingly getting smaller and smaller. Apparently there is only one way to get somewhere (again). Take some time to experiment with your eve map. It's amazing you can see ships in system in the last 30mins, how many ships have been destroyed and a whole bunch of other stuff. and then you can plot a route to avoid those heavy traffic systems. . . Also.. wormholes for the win, they can always spit you out anywhere. of course you then need to worry about a completely different type of camp. Join End-of-Line, -EOL, today, and kill your CEO! (Terms and conditions apply.)
Garviel Tarrant Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel 1477	Posted - 2013.10.07 14:39:00 - [17] - Quote Legality wrote: SO as a new player to eve and Faction warfare. ALL I see are pirate corps set up on gates to low sec coming from High sec and insta poping and poding newbies. As in all games where the masses are allowed to play there will always be "greivers", but that leaves me to 1 question Why would anyone play THIS game if they are blown up every time they decided to go and try to plex a system, when your only route is thru the one gate where 10 pirates are posted waiting for you. Sure isk is easy to make, after you have established time in the game and have the resources to earn it Sure combat is easy, after you have established the time in the game to use the stuff that makes it easy. I started with 5k isk and a ship that does lol 11 dps. so how am I to make isk in FW when I cant outrun, outgun or hold my ground from their assaults. Not really seeing the fun in that. There are probably more ways into lowsec than there are big pirate corps in the game. That is all. (I for example have never ever lost anything going from high to low.) BYDI recruitment closed-ish
Sura Sadiva Entropic Tactical Crew 630	Posted - 2013.10.07 15:36:00 - [18] - Quote Legality wrote: ALL I see are pirate corps set up on gates to low sec coming from High sec and insta poping and poding newbies. Just don't go trough those gates. Fastest High Sec - Low Sec access points are often camped, but there's always a backdoor, longer but safer. But mostly: don't be a tourist, move and live in low sec, you will minimize the risk to travel trough that gates. FW is a low sec "profession".
Kaivar Lancer Metropolis Acquisition Services 316	Posted - 2013.10.07 18:46:00 - [19] - Quote To get pass a low-sec gate camp: - install warp core stabilisers in your low slots (immune to warp scramble) - insteall low friction nozzles in your rig slots (to boost agility and reduce align times) - install small/medium shield modules in your mid slots (increase your survivability if you do get locked) Put all the other modules you intend to use in your cargohold and dock at a station once you're pass the camp. Swap the modules & rigs there, and pat yourself on the back. :)
IbanezLaney The Church of Awesome Caldari State Capturing 572	Posted - 2013.10.07 22:57:00 - [20] - Quote The answer is - Don't go to High sec. Then you wont have to pass any camps to enter low sec. If you want to get your soul to heaven, trust in me. Now don't judge or question. You are broken now, but faith can heal you. Just do everything I tell you to do. (Opiate - Tool)
Major Killz La Fraternite 250	Posted - 2013.10.07 23:04:00 - [21] - Quote You know. I'm starting to think CCP will introduce Interceptors that have 3 warp stabs built in and are nullified. Might start having REAL TIME camp monitoring too. Like threw the billboards and sh!t. Change the channel in your captain's quarters to see what OMS or AMAMAKE gate is like... Game seems to be going that way. - Killz Combat Log: http://www.youtube.com/user/kdsalmon/videos - Pantaloon II: Violins (Jun 23, 2013)
Cage Man 270	Posted - 2013.10.08 01:58:00 - [22] - Quote Join a corp and they can help you get a foot hold. MMO's generally shouldn't be played solo. The thick plottens... CCP, When can my crane get its black paint job back??
Mycael Self-Service Camping 33	Posted - 2013.10.08 08:02:00 - [23] - Quote Cage Man wrote: Join a corp and they can help you get a foot hold. MMO's generally shouldn't be played solo. He didn't blow up alone.
Seraph Castillon Justified Chaos 127	Posted - 2013.10.08 09:00:00 - [24] - Quote If you want to play FW then live in low sec and learn how to live in lowsec.
Alaric Faelen Sabotage Incorporated Executive Outcomes 171	Posted - 2013.10.08 15:01:00 - [25] - Quote Pirates at a gate aren't 'griefing' anymore than the enemy FW camping them, or plexes is. Denial of travel, resources, reinforcement, etc are among the most common tactics in any sort of warfare. This seems to come as a surprise to people when it really shouldn't. Real militaries rarely operate lone warships during an open conflict (submarines being an exception), so flying solo into hostile space and being bushwhacked is a failing of tactics, not the game. Like the Achille Lauro incident- even the most powerful navy in the world can, and did, lose a multi-billion dollar military ship to hijackers when left unattended by escort. Essentially the US Navy's shiny T2 spy ship was ganked. TBH, it demonstrates how close Eve comes to 'being real' at times. Flying alone in hostile space is wholly unrealistic for any military, and the tactic works as well in Eve as it does in RL. Around the fringes of any major conflict, say four empires fighting perpetual war, there are always looters, thieves, pirates, and murderers looking to exploit it. It could be said that care bears selling ships and ammo in FW markets are little more than gun-runners and war profiteers directly arming the pirates! The term pirate is also somewhat misapplied. They could simply be that the people that live in those regions don't want ANY of the empires there. Consider Afghanistan as an RL model- the people that actually live there hated BOTH the US and the (former) USSR. The locals accepted the help of the US to defeat the USSR during the 80's, then immediately turned on the US when the Russians left- their ultimate goal to expel BOTH sides from their land. One capsuleer's terrorist is another capsuleer's freedom fighter
Koujjo Dian 24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire 52	Posted - 2013.10.08 16:00:00 - [26] - Quote Seraph Castillon wrote: If you want to play FW then live in low sec and learn how to live in lowsec. Not always an option. I work offshore for 2 weeks of every month and currently have ships stuck in Sahtogas after we lost it whenever it was while I was at work. I tried searching for a neutral station but apparently they kick you out too when your faction loses the system. I now use an alt in a throw away frigate to recon my intended route from high sec before undocking something more expensive. Kind of a PITA but it works. Still looking for a better solution in the meantime.
Princess Nexxala Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats 473	Posted - 2013.10.08 16:44:00 - [27] - Quote This man gets it IbanezLaney wrote: The answer is - Don't go to High sec. Then you wont have to pass any camps to enter low sec. http://thewaysofthemew.blogspot.com
Anslo The Scope Gallente Federation 2840	Posted - 2013.10.08 16:44:00 - [28] - Quote If it makes you feel any better, not all of us gate camp. I personally find it boring, as do the others. -\_For the Proveldtariat_/-
Seraph Castillon Justified Chaos 130	Posted - 2013.10.08 21:45:00 - [29] - Quote Koujjo Dian wrote: Seraph Castillon wrote: If you want to play FW then live in low sec and learn how to live in lowsec. Not always an option. I work offshore for 2 weeks of every month and currently have ships stuck in Sahtogas after we lost it whenever it was while I was at work. I tried searching for a neutral station but apparently they kick you out too when your faction loses the system. Base out of true stronghold systems then. If your faction cannot be trusted to hold on to any system then base out of systems that are outside of the warzone, but are still lowsec.
Deviant X Sky Boxers Northern Associates. 34	Posted - 2013.10.09 02:07:00 - [30] - Quote Dotlan Maps is your friend. As is getting to know the settings for the in-game map. There is some good advice in this thread: 1. Join an established FW corp to teach you the ropes. 2. Join a training corp. There are a few corporations, schools, that help new players survive pvp. This will expand your survival to null sec where some mechanics are ... more aggressive. Then do FW. Corps to talk to? This one, I will let you research. You should not need more than a 3-8 weeks to get through their programs. Good luck and have fun.
Pinky Feldman Gank Bangers I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth 612	Posted - 2013.10.09 06:03:00 - [31] - Quote Legality wrote: SO as a new player to eve and Faction warfare. ALL I see are pirate corps set up on gates to low sec coming from High sec and insta poping and poding newbies. As in all games where the masses are allowed to play there will always be "greivers", but that leaves me to 1 question Why would anyone play THIS game if they are blown up every time they decided to go and try to plex a system, when your only route is thru the one gate where 10 pirates are posted waiting for you. Sure isk is easy to make, after you have established time in the game and have the resources to earn it Sure combat is easy, after you have established the time in the game to use the stuff that makes it easy. I started with 5k isk and a ship that does lol 11 dps. so how am I to make isk in FW when I cant outrun, outgun or hold my ground from their assaults. Not really seeing the fun in that. This is why I am not playing EVE right now because griever blow up my ship too much and don't want fights only ganks. You are totally right and the sad thing is that it is not much better even when you have lots of SP like me because WINMATAR. is pretty much unstoppable right now so why should I undock if they just blow up my ship everytime and have already won FW. The moar you cry the less you pee
Pinky Feldman Gank Bangers I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth 612	Posted - 2013.10.09 06:06:00 - [32] - Quote Alaric Faelen wrote: Pirates at a gate aren't 'griefing' anymore than the enemy FW is when they camp gates or plex clusters. Denial of travel, resources, reinforcement, etc are among the most common tactics in any sort of warfare. Nowhere does it say FW is strictly a two sided affair. That is an artificial and flatly incorrect interpretation of FW in the first place. What you want is R-v-B if you want clearly defined 'sides', designated combat areas, and artificial limitations on how wars are fought. FW is an organic war, taking place in space populated by civilians, including care bears, explorers AND pirates. They all are part of FW, whether they are in a milita or not. Real militaries rarely operate lone warships during an open conflict (submarines being an exception), so flying solo into hostile space and being bushwhacked is a failing of tactics, not the game. Much like the incident with the USS Pueblo in 1968. Essentially the US Navy had a multi-billion dollar T2 spy ship ganked. Lost to what amounted to pirates (for all intents and purposes- compared to the navy they stole the ship from, it's a fair assessment) because it was without escort in hostile waters. TBH, it demonstrates how close Eve comes to 'being real' at times. Flying alone in hostile space is wholly unrealistic for any military, and the tactic works as well in Eve as it does in RL. The term pirate is also somewhat misapplied. It could simply be that the people that live in those regions don't want ANY of the empires there. Consider Afghanistan as an RL model- the people that actually live there hated BOTH the US and the (former) USSR. The locals accepted the help of the US to defeat the USSR during the 80's, then immediately turned on the US when the Russians left- their ultimate goal to expel BOTH sides from their land. Just like in RL, most of the military fighting in contested regions don't actually live there- they come from Empire space. They arrive in death machines to blow things up, kill anyone not 'blue' to them, then leave and go home to the safety of high sec. Leaving the people native to the contested space living in a state of constant fear and deprivation, just wanting to farm their PI while seeing both sides of the ongoing war as 'the bad guy'. One capsuleer's terrorist is another capsuleer's freedom fighter Not true there are griefer in all areas of game. When I lived in HS before FW my alliance always had wardecs because some people think that killing highsec carebear that can't shoot back is fun. Then I came to lowsec with FW and it is just more sociopath and more blobbing. Also friendly militia shoot me with no consequence!? The moar you cry the less you pee
Merely Runaway The Flowing Penguins Iron Oxide. 30	Posted - 2013.10.09 21:31:00 - [33] - Quote Pinky Feldman wrote: Not true there are griefer in all areas of game. When I lived in HS before FW my alliance always had wardecs because some people think that killing highsec carebear that can't shoot back is fun. Then I came to lowsec with FW and it is just more sociopath and more blobbing. Also friendly militia shoot me with no consequence!? Maybe they just don't like you?
Grarr Dexx Snuff Box 278	Posted - 2013.10.10 15:37:00 - [34] - Quote IbanezLaney wrote: The answer is - Don't go to High sec. Then you wont have to pass any camps to enter low sec. I like the way you think.
Pinky Feldman Gank Bangers I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth 620	Posted - 2013.10.12 18:51:00 - [35] - Quote Merely Runaway wrote: Pinky Feldman wrote: Not true there are griefer in all areas of game. When I lived in HS before FW my alliance always had wardecs because some people think that killing highsec carebear that can't shoot back is fun. Then I came to lowsec with FW and it is just more sociopath and more blobbing. Also friendly militia shoot me with no consequence!? Maybe they just don't like you? I'm sorry. The moar you cry the less you pee
Alaric Faelen Sabotage Incorporated Executive Outcomes 176	Posted - 2013.10.13 16:29:00 - [36] - Quote Quote: Not true there are griefer in all areas of game. When I lived in HS before FW my alliance always had wardecs because some people think that killing highsec carebear that can't shoot back is fun. Then I came to lowsec with FW and it is just more sociopath and more blobbing. Also friendly militia shoot me with no consequence!? --Once again, that assessment is borne from logical fallacy. Assigning for other people their motivations and intentions, is a recipe for failure. It's not any more valid than waving a hand over high sec and declaring them all cowards for not engaging in PvP. Such broad generalizations, coupled with the arrogance of defining for other people their own actions and motivations, is a method of stoking one's wounded ego by dehumanizing the supposed enemy. They didn't dec you because it's valid economic warfare to deny others resources or to take resources someone labored to retrieve.....nope, it's just because they're bad people (tm) and like to grief.... The latter seems a better salve for a victim's ego, but the only one they are convincing is themselves. People throw around terms like sociopath because it's great hyperbole. How much more epic was a loss when it came at the hands of a mentally deranged person, rather than just another gamer nerd actually playing a game wholly within it's established rules? All chess players must be virtual Hannibal Lecters in that case. .since the only goal in chess is the total destruction of the other side- often 'killing' a dozen enemy soldiers (and even clergy) on the path to beheading an enemy monarchy. OR It's just a competitive and social past time where no one actually gets hurt.....like Eve
Lady Naween Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel 214	Posted - 2013.10.14 02:34:00 - [37] - Quote Pinky Feldman wrote: This is why I am not playing EVE right now because griever blow up my ship too much and don't want fights only ganks. You are totally right and the sad thing is that it is not much better even when you have lots of SP like me because WINMATAR. is pretty much unstoppable right now so why should I undock if they just blow up my ship everytime and have already won FW. snorts Around Avenod Amarr milittia is doing pretty good in kicking minmatar ass.
Iudicium Vastus Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 58	Posted - 2013.10.14 03:37:00 - [38] - Quote [quote=Alaric Faelen] Quote: People throw around terms like sociopath because it's great hyperbole. How much more epic was a loss when it came at the hands of a mentally deranged person, rather than just another gamer nerd actually playing a game wholly within it's established rules? All chess players must be virtual Hannibal Lecters in that case. .since the only goal in chess is the total destruction of the other side- often 'killing' a dozen enemy soldiers (and even clergy) on the path to beheading an enemy monarchy. OR It's just a competitive and social past time where no one actually gets hurt.....like Eve Bad analogy sweetheart. Chess (or any other sorts of boardgames) start of equal and symmetric footing. The pieces are provided for you without any effort or time investment on your part and always replaceable for next round at zero effort/time as well. The objective of Chess is only the domination of your single opponent with absolutely no other tasks or options to engage in at any time. Also, Chess is entirely voluntary as it is exceedingly difficult to force Chess on someone without questionable or outright illegal methods (unlawful imprisonment, blackmail, kidnapping, etc) Try again.
Milton Middleson Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance 362	Posted - 2013.10.14 04:35:00 - [39] - Quote If someone is blackmailing you into playing EVE, you should contact your local police department. If you've been imprisoned or kidnapped and forced to play EVE, but your captors are allowing you forum access, you might see if CCP will pass on information relating to your whereabouts to the relevant authorities.
Zappity Kurved Space 528	Posted - 2013.10.14 04:58:00 - [40] - Quote Are you going to die a lot as a noob? Of course. Are you going to win more fights as your character gets stronger? Of course. But every time you die you learn something. You can either chalk it up to experience and move on or you can whinge about it. Personally, I'm glad that EVE is difficult and dangerous. If it was easy for a noob there wouldn't be any enduring challenge would there? Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec.
Minmatar Citizen160812 The LGBT Last Supper 457	Posted - 2013.10.14 16:42:00 - [41] - Quote someone tell me factron war good isk/hr i dont like get kill how help
Inxentas Ultramar Ultramar Independent Contracting Home Front Coalition 729	Posted - 2013.10.16 06:27:00 - [42] - Quote This is why I sneak in via a backdoor (non-FW lowsec systems). Damn rival pirates... always stealing my kills and loot!
Phaade Debitum Naturae C0VEN 110	Posted - 2013.10.16 18:43:00 - [43] - Quote David Devant wrote: You have to solve problems in this game. It's hard. That's why most people like it. As for your 'problems', they are far from insurmountable. Because I'm a lovely guy (ask anyone), I'll lay it out for you. 1) Enter low sec in a pod (pirates can't catch you) 2) Go to friendly hub system 3) Buy frigate 4) Find quiet backwater 5) Open plex 6) Run if someone chases you 7) Cash in lp You can easily make an excellent income doing this which will fund your development as a player and increase your understanding of game mechanics. When I started playing this game I ratted in low sec to earn isk. It took me about a day's grind to afford a cruiser. You could manage the same in about 15 minutes. In summary: quit whining. I also first ratted in low sec to grind out my first cruiser (maller).... Then I got caught by somebody without realizing how damn exposed I was doing that. FW LP = easymode. Warp core stabs / Nanos on a frigate will get you through 99.9% of gate camps. If you get caught by an instalocking gang with that setup, then you'll have to find a route around that gate, which there almost always is. Besides, your plexing frigs should cost you less than a mil.
Raptors Mole Space Mutts The Wolfpack Nexus 164	Posted - 2013.10.16 19:35:00 - [44] - Quote Legality wrote: SO as a new player to eve and Faction warfare. ALL I see are pirate corps set up on gates to low sec coming from High sec and insta poping and poding newbies. Not really seeing the fun in that. Camp the Hi Sec side and see how they like it!
Tandros Kreel Scurvy Sucks Monkeys with Guns. 11	Posted - 2013.10.16 19:37:00 - [45] - Quote Koujjo Dian wrote: Seraph Castillon wrote: If you want to play FW then live in low sec and learn how to live in lowsec. Not always an option. I work offshore for 2 weeks of every month and currently have ships stuck in Sahtogas after we lost it whenever it was while I was at work. I tried searching for a neutral station but apparently they kick you out too when your faction loses the system. I now use an alt in a throw away frigate to recon my intended route from high sec before undocking something more expensive. Kind of a PITA but it works. Still looking for a better solution in the meantime. why not just live in a neutral low-sec system? Those aren't that hard to find.
Ginger Barbarella Caldari Provisions Caldari State 1515	Posted - 2013.10.16 20:47:00 - [46] - Quote What I tend to do with my FW alts is to move them into quiet systems inside or close to the warzone (in low sec), and then just JC out to high when I have other stuff to do. When I'm ready for more FW goodness I jump back into the warzone, bypassing troublesome gates. :) A Crane alt brings in good or hulls when I need them, so I never really have to worry about gate camps. Just my $.02 "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
Vypri Pirate Code 0	Posted - 2013.10.20 19:33:00 - [47] - Quote Legality wrote: SO as a new player to eve and Faction warfare. ALL I see are pirate corps set up on gates to low sec coming from High sec and insta poping and poding newbies. As in all games where the masses are allowed to play there will always be "greivers", but that leaves me to 1 question Why would anyone play THIS game if they are blown up every time they decided to go and try to plex a system, when your only route is thru the one gate where 10 pirates are posted waiting for you. Sure isk is easy to make, after you have established time in the game and have the resources to earn it Sure combat is easy, after you have established the time in the game to use the stuff that makes it easy. I started with 5k isk and a ship that does lol 11 dps. so how am I to make isk in FW when I cant outrun, outgun or hold my ground from their assaults. Not really seeing the fun in that. It's like this.... 1) when you're a child, you want to grow up. 2) when you're an adult, you want to be a child. The SP system is paced so that players don't get bored too quickly. If you could compete with a 10 man camp with your rookie ship, then you would lose interest in the game, as would the campers. I don't like gate camps, as they don't seem very sporting, but I'm glad they exist as it creates an interesting challenge to my game. I may complain, but that's part of the trials of EVE. Play this game a different way, until you can play the gate camper game.... if you stay with it, you will learn.....and may someday be a camper.
Desudes The Scope Gallente Federation 59	Posted - 2013.10.22 15:55:00 - [48] - Quote Shouldn't have much trouble if in a frig. I've gone through the heavy traffic fw areas in a griffin & algos with no worries. Did have someone in fleet try to take a plated exequor through OMS... didn't work out for him. Just don't be dumb. Excuse me, but what the fck are you desu?*

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