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NestcePas	Posted - 2006.01.24 07:35:00 - [1] So I am busy training teh skills to operate a miningbarge. Had a look at them, saw the drilling minelaser setup, and then had a look at the attributes of the miningbarges. And I started wondering, why is everybody so hyped about miningbarges? Stripmining sounds grate, until you see how many strip-lasers you can put on a ship: 1 at best, and then there is not much left for anything else. A sizeable dronebay for defense, the marketingleavelet says laughingly: 50 meters for the larges barge, which costs what? 20+mil? Granted, the yield of a stripminer is enormous compared with other mining lasers, but you are a sitting duck. So you have to go mining in a barge with friends, I think, but I see plenty ppl mining slo in a barge. Do I miss something here? Is there a link to an explaination/tutorial on the use of miningbarges, not mining in general, I have found that 1.
AlienBreed	Posted - 2006.01.24 07:43:00 - [2] mining barges are great the "goodly drone bay" was goodly before the RMR drone changes ruined it but even so i would say barges are essential for manufacturers Quote: Granted, the yield of a stripminer is enormous compared with other mining lasers, but you are a sitting duck. So you have to go mining in a barge with friends, I think, but I see plenty ppl mining slo in a barge yeah can be, means you need escort for low sec of any kind the small barge isnt great but its cheap, the med barge is decent and the covetor devours belts, and then there are exhumers
DaRuLe	Posted - 2006.01.24 07:56:00 - [3] I'm in a Hulk at the moment and yes it is worth it. In 0.5 where I spend most of my time I've got 2 cargo extenders giving me a total of 12k m3. So no hauler for me, I'm IN a mini-hauler now with 3 modulated strippers. :) Yes it has cost me dearly (300mill), but I'm using it to it's max. __________________________________________________________________________
Makree	Posted - 2006.01.24 08:18:00 - [4] Are miningbarges worth it? No, there are far better and more exciting ways to get minerals. Farming a level 4 rogue drone mission for example. Leave the asteroids alone. Ok.
James Lyrus	Posted - 2006.01.24 08:37:00 - [5] A medium mining barge with minimal skills mines around 1800m3/3minutes or 600m3/minute. If you're caldari, then that's better than any of the ships you can easily use. Next best is osprey, and with cruiser 4 that gains about 435m3/minute. But has such a small cargo bay that you have to do something about it every minute as well. There are battleships that mine faster. However, the real luxury of a barge is that where mining laser IIs have 1 minute cycles, and as a rule are fitted to ships with small cargo holds, a barge has 3 minute cycles and a usefully sized hold. The difference between having to pay attention every minute, and being able to get away with leaving it for 3 (or more, because after then next cycle starts, you still have another 3 minutes before you're risking 'ore loss') is quite notable for long mining stints. Some enjoy mining. Some find it tolerable. Both of these groups tend to find it more acceptable when on 3 minute cycles. -- We are recruiting Carriers on sale
Raven Aure	Posted - 2006.01.24 09:48:00 - [6] Originally by: James Lyrus A medium mining barge with minimal skills mines around 1800m3/3minutes or 600m3/minute. If you're caldari, then that's better than any of the ships you can easily use. Next best is osprey, and with cruiser 4 that gains about 435m3/minute. But has such a small cargo bay that you have to do something about it every minute as well. There are battleships that mine faster. However, the real luxury of a barge is that where mining laser IIs have 1 minute cycles, and as a rule are fitted to ships with small cargo holds, a barge has 3 minute cycles and a usefully sized hold. The difference between having to pay attention every minute, and being able to get away with leaving it for 3 (or more, because after then next cycle starts, you still have another 3 minutes before you're risking 'ore loss') is quite notable for long mining stints. Some enjoy mining. Some find it tolerable. Both of these groups tend to find it more acceptable when on 3 minute cycles. Used to mine in a Ferox with 5 Miner IIs. Also mined in a Brutix with 7. I now have a retriever and life is good when in high sec or with friends. ______________________ One day a conversation is going to kill ME for once.
Cypherous	Posted - 2006.01.24 09:58:00 - [7] If i ever mine its with a scythe with cruiser 5 and 3 miner II's, i can outmine a small barge easily with it and its great.
Sonreir	Posted - 2006.01.24 10:24:00 - [8] Small barge is useless. Skip it. Medium barge will only take you an extra few hours of training and is very much worth it.
Valius Altmer	Posted - 2006.01.24 10:46:00 - [9] i use a retriever in .5 and up cause it has such a great unit/cycle. With just a civilian shield booster and 2 medium combat drones (hammerhead for example) is enough to protect u from the rats. I use my alt flying an Interon III (will use iteron V once trained for it) to haul so i never have to take hauling breaks. When i mine .3 or .4 for isogen and zydrine though i like to take a brutix with 5-6 miner IIs though cause rats there will easily take out your retriever. With a brutix u can get all 5 drones and a gun or two to fight the rats (and sometime pirates) to protect yourself with. Dominix would be great to mine .4 and lower in once u have ability to armor tank with drones.
NestcePas	Posted - 2006.01.24 11:42:00 - [10] Edited by: NestcePas on 24/01/2006 11:43:07 Quote: Also mined in a Brutix with 7 (Miner IIs?) How do you do that?! If trie to put minerIIs on whatever ship, I speedily am left with no juice at all, cpu-wise speaking. What skills have you trained/mods do you use to increase your CPU-output? I know about the cpu-mods. And do you have juice left for something else? Like shieldextender or armorrepper? Or what? BTW, tnx for all the responses. And yes, reprocessing loot gives a nice handful of expensive mins to sell:)
Snake Jankins	Posted - 2006.01.24 11:56:00 - [11] Edited by: Snake Jankins on 24/01/2006 12:04:46 Edited by: Snake Jankins on 24/01/2006 12:01:27 If you want to become mainly a miner/industrial char, then mining barges are great. But if you are more a fighter and only want to do some mining from time to time, then I'd mine with a BS. Think that's a decision that you have to make. If you don't focus, it eats just too many SP and takes ages until your char is really good in something. Ok, only my opinion. edit: I mean industrial chars, who fly BS and large barges are quite common, although most of them don't have great combat skills, but fight chars usually don't skill all the industrial stuff, don't fly mining barges etc, but rather put millions of SP in gunnery etcs and only a bit in mining. ___________ 'Only ships can be assembled, this is a Frigate.'
Corp Scammer	Posted - 2006.01.24 11:58:00 - [12] high sec is fast becoming the preserve of the bots cheaper to buy their minerals it seems. Low sec well if youre mining jaspet or some similar level mineral with protection then they are still good value - 0.0 even better though sometimes a BS is better value there to
Syrec	Posted - 2006.01.24 12:03:00 - [13] Originally by: DaRuLe I'm in a Hulk at the moment and yes it is worth it. In 0.5 where I spend most of my time I've got 2 cargo extenders giving me a total of 12k m3. So no hauler for me, I'm IN a mini-hauler now with 3 modulated strippers. :) Yes it has cost me dearly (300mill), but I'm using it to it's max. Hello. How long does it take you to fill your cargo?
Corp Scammer	Posted - 2006.01.24 12:04:00 - [14] with his fitout about 5 minutes
Syrec	Posted - 2006.01.24 12:05:00 - [15] Originally by: NestcePas Edited by: NestcePas on 24/01/2006 11:43:07 Quote: Also mined in a Brutix with 7 (Miner IIs?) How do you do that?! If trie to put minerIIs on whatever ship, I speedily am left with no juice at all, cpu-wise speaking. What skills have you trained/mods do you use to increase your CPU-output? I know about the cpu-mods. And do you have juice left for something else? Like shieldextender or armorrepper? Or what? BTW, tnx for all the responses. And yes, reprocessing loot gives a nice handful of expensive mins to sell:) I think you have to fit a full rack of Co-proc IIs and possibly some cap rechargers to keep the mining up, and you are left quite vulnerable.
ALWAYS NEEDED	Posted - 2006.01.24 12:13:00 - [16] i ninja mine crokite in 0.0 with my level 3 barge - great fun
Roshan longshot	Posted - 2006.01.24 12:16:00 - [17] Mining barges are ment for "secure" space. They cant take much damage. They are slow...so "Instas" are needed. They cant hold but one or two cycles of minerals so you need to "Jet Can" And then you will need a hauler...so a "second account" is needed... They can fit five small drones in their bays...but small drones got the "Nerf" so if your not trained your going to loose them quickly... BUT on the other hand. You and two buddies, that are trained to use these marvelous items....you can make about 1.8-2.5 million an hour in "Empire" space. Free-form Professions, ensure no limetations on professions. Be a trader, fighter, industialist, researcher, hunter *pirate* or mixture of them all. [i]As read from the original box.
Snake Jankins	Posted - 2006.01.24 12:19:00 - [18] In 0.0 mining is teamwork anyway. One battleship tanks the rat spawn, the other guys just mine or haul. So you just sit there more or less safe in your barge and suck roids for hours and then your large barge beats any mining battleship. So barges are great in 0.0, too. But large barge, modulated strip miners II etc. need a lot of SP, so if you are not really a dedicated miner, but more often do combat, hunting, kill mission running, then better invest these weeks of learning into something else and mine with your BS like I said. ___________ 'Only ships can be assembled, this is a Frigate.'
Corp Scammer	Posted - 2006.01.24 12:23:00 - [19] well with the new named mining lasers etc (still to come into the game) comign soon tm or nerfed at the last stage by CCP not sure
Leon Gallet	Posted - 2006.01.24 14:45:00 - [20] I mine in a Brutix. I have 7 * Tech 2 Mining lasers in high slots, and only need 3 * Tech 2 Co-Processors in my low slots. I am also able to fit a named armour repper, a named cargo expander in the remaining low slots. In medium slots, I have a named shield booster, Tech 2 A/B, a named roid scanner and a spare for whatever. I have no problems with CPU, though I do have loads of CPU reducing skills trained up. A nous la Federation Gallente.
Tulia	Posted - 2006.01.24 15:27:00 - [21] Originally by: DaRuLe I'm in a Hulk at the moment and yes it is worth it. In 0.5 where I spend most of my time I've got 2 cargo extenders giving me a total of 12k m3. So no hauler for me, I'm IN a mini-hauler now with 3 modulated strippers. :) Yes it has cost me dearly (300mill), but I'm using it to it's max. Nope, you're not
NestcePas	Posted - 2006.01.24 16:06:00 - [22] I must be missing something here. A stripminer takes 12000 CPU, but on a Barge you have 98% reduction, leaving still240 cpu usage... No Barge can deliver that, onmodified. Even with cpu's and cpu-saving skills, can you put any other mod on a barge?! I am dedicating this character to mining and manufactoring, but I don't see the benefits of barges
Rafein	Posted - 2006.01.24 16:14:00 - [23] In high sec mining, the barge is nice. It brings in more ore than any other tech 1 ship, and defence is really not an issue, as 5 light drones, with a few drone skills, can easily protect a Covetor, leaving me 5 mining drones when nothing else is going on. Or to be very safe, i can go 5 mediums. Getting into lower sec space, the barges start to lose their luster. Rats take to long to kill, so your barge is taking more damage, and they are not great at taking damage.
Megadon	Posted - 2006.01.24 17:02:00 - [24] Originally by: NestcePas I must be missing something here. A stripminer takes 12000 CPU, but on a Barge you have 98% reduction, leaving still240 cpu usage... No Barge can deliver that, onmodified. Even with cpu's and cpu-saving skills, can you put any other mod on a barge?! I am dedicating this character to mining and manufactoring, but I don't see the benefits of barges You can't fit them on barges. It's another sick trick by CCP to get ppl to train for a ship they can't then fit properly. Don't fall into this hideous trap! "The Battleships is and should be a solo pwnmobile." - Oveur
NestcePas	Posted - 2006.01.24 17:57:00 - [25] Quote: You can't fit them on barges. So...where do you use stripminers? And what IS the benefit of a barge, if not the ability to fit a stripminer?
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.01.24 18:07:00 - [26] Originally by: NestcePas Quote: You can't fit them on barges. So...where do you use stripminers? And what IS the benefit of a barge, if not the ability to fit a stripminer? he was taking the ****. it wasn't funny though
Mudkest	Posted - 2006.01.24 18:12:00 - [27] strip miners take 60 cpu on a barge. not sure why it sais 98% reduction for 12000 cpu though ... -Would you attack a lion with a brooch-pin? Why would a lion have a brooch-pin?
Aeina Caeraen	Posted - 2006.01.24 18:34:00 - [28] I think they changed the Strip Miner attributes to prevent people from fitting them on the new capital ships, but forgot to change the description. Don't worry, they still fit on Barges. Oh, and in case you couldn't tell, that was Tulia tanking in the Hulk :P
Tulia	Posted - 2006.01.24 20:50:00 - [29] and for my next trick, I will be called primary in a caldari shuttle at a 0.0 gatecamp and survive by patching my hull with made-on-the-fly chewing bubbles. Incredible Hulk FTWÖ
DaRuLe	Posted - 2006.01.24 22:08:00 - [30] Edited by: DaRuLe on 24/01/2006 22:09:45 Edited by: DaRuLe on 24/01/2006 22:08:40 Originally by: Syrec Originally by: DaRuLe I'm in a Hulk at the moment and yes it is worth it. In 0.5 where I spend most of my time I've got 2 cargo extenders giving me a total of 12k m3. So no hauler for me, I'm IN a mini-hauler now with 3 modulated strippers. :) Yes it has cost me dearly (300mill), but I'm using it to it's max. Hello. How long does it take you to fill your cargo? Originally by: Corp Scammer with his fitout about 5 minutes I could have, there's one skill off all industry skills related to mining at level 4. Don't remember which one at the moment. It takes almost 3 full cycles for me. 8.5 minutes Originally by: Tulia Originally by: DaRuLe I'm in a Hulk at the moment and yes it is worth it. In 0.5 where I spend most of my time I've got 2 cargo extenders giving me a total of 12k m3. So no hauler for me, I'm IN a mini-hauler now with 3 modulated strippers. :) Yes it has cost me dearly (300mill), but I'm using it to it's max. Nope, you're not ROFL!! No, indeed I'm not. I take it back, I take it back! What fittings on that one? __________________________________________________________________________

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