Why should people be freely granted more anonymity rather than working to get anonymity?

This would also cause an imbalance between groups of ships as some have unique hulls, while others share.

Why should people be freely granted more anonymity rather than working to get anonymity?

This would also cause an imbalance between groups of ships as some have unique hulls, while others share.

You know Lucas I find that statement coming from you one of the most ironic things I've heard in a long time. Egads, giving more anonymity...and for free no less. Why that's horrible. Not like there is a free intel mechanic in game already...oh wait, damn nevermind.

Why should you be freely granted information without having to work to get it?
Yep unique hulls will be identifiable. Part of their charm.

If you are trying to make the game more realistic, then why not only identify class types, like Frig, Destroyer, Cruiser, and so on? I am not sure how losing the ability to tell the difference between a Merlin, Hawk and Harpy but still being able to see a Hookbill is in anyway a good thing.

I agree with the general idea of making intl in the game less perfect, but it needs to be done fairly.

But with this changed there wuld be no "work to get it". Most people would have no ability to identify ship type. You'd have to guess, or assume the worst.
This isn't a case of "hey, lets make the game more dynamic by making a decent mechanic" it another "lets **** a mechanic to make ganking easier". Apologies if I think it's easy enough to gank people. Now a module that would mask your ship type, that I could get behind. But freely masking ship types depending on your choice of hull, with no negative side effects? I think that would just make certain hulls more popular in PvP, while further relegating hulls that are unique.

Just like you should be forced to work for your intel as well, instead of having it handed freely to you on a platter by the game mechanics (i.e. local), right?

Yeah, I bet your tune will change now.

Sauce for the goose, +1 to the OP. Free intel via mechanics for everyone!!!

A module to mask your ship type!?!? Why I never.

Your gyrations here Lucas are becoming very amusing. No free intel for you, but free intel for me, right?

You already do not get a snapshot of what's there. Ships can be fit in different ways. Ships can be cloaked. Ships can position themselves outside of your dscan range.

If players want to mask their true capabilities, then it should be an active decision that has cost and consequences (such as fitting a cloak, or changing position). Forcing you to be on grid before knowing what you're even up against makes PVP less about planning and decision-making and more of a crapshoot. It's also likely to make people more afraid of fights as they assume the worst about a particular hull (I very well may decide to engage a Stabber, but probably not if it may be a Vagabond)

Lol you seriously can;t get over parading your "nuke local" idea can you. This thread is not about that. So take it elsewhere, like back to your other thread, rather than derailing this one.

Making d-scan show hull type would make certain hulls by default better than others. That's utter nonsense. Even the idea of ship class rather than hull type is better than that.

But go ahead. Tell me how I want everything for nothing. You want to freely kill unarmed ships with no chance at failure. Internet tough guy right there people, give him a pat on the back.

Why should you be freely granted information without having to work to get it?

I'd like to see different ships get different D-scan powers. There are so many things that could be done to change it up. You could have ships that can't narrow it down more than its size class. Some ships could be able to tell its tech level without being able to discern its hull. Some could tell its approximate direction with any specific degree of accuracy at the cost of not being able to tell its type as well, while some could get a better fix on type and attributes without knowing its direction, or maybe type and direction without distance.

You're right, from now on I say ships get a limited grid view range. Like 1000m.

To increase it you need modules, scripts and like 20 different skills which improve everything from sharpness to color.

Actually, Mr Doctor's idea removes some free intel from people who already benefit substantially from free intel. A null sec PvE pilot has an absolute advantage over any hostile entrant to his system he is PvEing in. The PvE pilot will see the entrant well before the entrant will have time to load grid let alone do anything to even pose the slightest threat to the PvE pilot.

With the proposed change instead of see malediction on scan, you'd see...crap what is the t1 variant...ahh, executioner class. Does that make a difference? I don't know, probably not, but what the heck. Any watering down of the current intel mechanic people use in null is fine by me.

Mr Doctor simply turned around Lucas' criticism which is totally valid. Especially since Lucas is an ardent supporter (to put it mildly) of the free intel system we currently have.

I find it amusing you talk out of both sides of your mouth.

On one hand free intel bad.

On the other free intel good.

Do you perchance have a third hand?

And no Lucas, I'm not going back to another thread. I like discrediting you in this one by pointing out this wild inconsistency on your part.

The inconsistencies are in your understanding rather than my beliefs. I believe in diversity, that's all. I'm neither for or against intel systems as they stand or changes to them, but those changes have to be balance and not just thrown in because some random group wants a fresh intel advantage over another. The fact is you've been able to put forward a balanced suggestion, you simply keep reeling off the same one, then you try to pick out the semantics of responses. How about you improve your idea, rather than simply trying to discredit those that object to it?

Could expand beyond ships to give less info on... the size of a can, warp bubble, name of a rat wreck etc.. Give players an idea of whats out there, but not a snapshot.

Instead I have to do all these things, I have to work for those benefits. Intel should, in theory be the same way.