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Molly
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Posted - 2003.08.27 15:24:00 -
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Lol, 2 additional fans. Too sad you are full of whining.
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Fusco T
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Posted - 2003.08.27 17:20:00 -
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Well actually he is exploiting but then again so do most people to one degree or another.
Def 1: 'To employ to the greatest possible advantage'
Most of us have "exploited" the poor AI of NPCs, Either warping to opposite ends of a long belt to avoid killing NPCs. Or hiding behind large scordite to avoid missle attacks. Or toying with the last of an escort, counting on NPCs calling for reinforcements.
Now the only difference is that this shockandawe fella' is exploiting and using definition 2: 'To make use of selfishly or unethically'
So both scenarios fit the definition of exploit.
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Acix
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Posted - 2003.08.27 17:21:00 -
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Edited by: Acix on 27/08/2003 17:22:59
hey molly, why don't you come play with someone that knows the rules and has a ship outfitted to kick your waste of biomass all over the universe. Your useless posts have no place here.
Defenition time, everything you wanted to know through Molly's (and her sidekick retards that share her opinion's) eyes:
Exploit = a word that carebears use. Derived from the latin phrase "ex-plotitis", meaning "he who is carbear"
Griefer = fictional person that does not exist in game play. Derived from latin phrase "gree-phor", meaning "he who does not exist"
Carebear = anyone that has a differing opinion. Derived from the latin phrase "crie-bier", meaning "he who does not share my same thought"
More to come later.........
Anyone seeing a pattern here. I do Molly must die, oh and Avon, go back to selling useless cleaning products door to door. Hey look its the Avon Lady
edits for spelling
SNIGG is now officially open for business. We are a merc corp looking for contracts.
For more info click below
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=68313 |
Adam Edwards
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Posted - 2003.08.27 18:13:00 -
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LOL. Tell em Acix.
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nono
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Posted - 2003.08.27 18:20:00 -
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LOL Avon is make-up and perfume.
Your thinking of Amway.
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Molly
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Posted - 2003.08.27 19:10:00 -
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"hey molly, why don't you come play with someone that knows the rules and has a ship outfitted to kick your waste of biomass all over the universe. Your useless posts have no place here."
Huh? I have destroyed dozens of cruisers in G-5EN2 and neighbour systems while EVE Marshals were hiding, so stop making me laugh please. You aren't kicking anything. Thank you.
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Ulstan
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Posted - 2003.08.27 19:19:00 -
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Begging the mods to ban someone just because you disagree with them is the height of carebear'ism.
I don't find your posts worth reading at all. Am I complaining to the mods to have you banned? No, I just skip your posts.
Why don't you just skip Molly's?
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Acix
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Posted - 2003.08.27 20:44:00 -
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Molly I have never seen you in any space near me before. If others were out doing something and didn't notice you fine so what. We haven't ever even set out to find you before. We have not hidden from anyone since I have been a member. People have hidden from us tho. They like to run too.....
Avon/amway whatever doesn't matter to me, just funny that his name is that.
Banning Molly and the others was probably meant as a joke by a frustrated reader tired of molly calling everone a carebear that thinks ruining the game for noob's is a bad idea.
Anyway what people are trying to get across here is that if you have something bad to say about what someone has posted put exactly why. Just calling them a carebear does not make you point valid. It does make you look stupid. Why don't you try to use that chunck of grey fatty material in your skull. Put your constructive thought together so someone else can understand it, then post. A "just because" or "your a carebear" reason is really dumb.
This guy has a valid point to make in his initial post (if you read it and understand it). The combat for eve is easily used in ways that it was not meant in theory to function. Killing people in 1.0 space was never meant to work like Molly and Tank used it. That is why the over-reaction came from CCP. If you know things like this are out of bounds (think about it stupid, don't post the bull **** well that game let me do it, its not a valid reason)then report the incident to CCP so it can be fixed, because it was never meant to work like that to begin with.
You might call me a carebear for reporting odd bug like things like that, I don't care. I would rather play the game as it was meant to be played than find some bull**** trick that makes me uber powerful over everyone else. It proves nothing that i can use a trick to kill someone when obviously i was never meant to be able to do the trick to begin with. You loose player base from doing this. CCP is a business and I happen to like EVE. If you want to go around and grief new players, fine do it and watch EVE start to circle the toilet rim and soon just go down with a big flush..............
SNIGG is now officially open for business. We are a merc corp looking for contracts.
For more info click below
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=68313 |
Kyn Aerie
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Posted - 2003.08.27 21:39:00 -
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Dunno if anyone has mentioned this, yet. I didn't bother to read the entire thread.
I'm not going to mention what CCP should or should not do. That's already been debated in this thread. I have an option that you can pursue whenever you see this tactic being used. This will get the pirate to stop and (hopefully) pad your wallet a little bit.
Hang out with him. That's it. And when his tactic works on a newb, collect the stuff that he's been waiting on. If a few people stick with him in the systems he's camping, he'll get hardly any loot from his 'exploit' and give up or move on.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.08.27 21:46:00 -
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Kyn,
Good idea - you could also shoot the cans when they're dropped.
that would REALLY annoy the little griefer.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
H3R0
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Posted - 2003.08.27 21:56:00 -
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Well maybe not so many have noticed that the sentry guns are bugged to, hapened 3 times now for and my friend that the sentries shoot at u when fiting at npc guarding containers at gates. If we start firing the sentry start firing on us even tho it is npc we are shooting at.
And I agree the shield and armor vanishes really fast took arund 2-3 sec onds to get to half armor on my moa before warp away.
CEO - The Allies |
Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.08.27 21:58:00 -
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I stopped shooting NPC rats around gates as soon as the loot tables were nerfed because I was gutted when Alpha Hull Mods stopped dropping from NPC pirates at the Balle gates.
As it stands now, shooting NPC gate pirates only prevents me from travelling for 30 seconds.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
ShockAndAwe
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Posted - 2003.08.28 07:33:00 -
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Edited by: ShockAndAwe on 28/08/2003 07:37:34
Actions speak louder than words, you've witnessed my actions now hear my words:
1. All pirates with a bounty should be freely attacked by anyone, in any security without police protection.
2. I will delete the character if CCP ask me to.... Polaris have turned up twice, but have said or done nothing.
3. I will continue to use this method as my only option of protest, becuase we all know petitions do jack ****.
4. The more people that complain and moan about my actions the better, CCP will start to listen and take notice of the silly pirate protection rules.
5. I don't target new characters.
6. As soon as I can freely target and kill a wanted player, without retribution from Concord, I will delete this character and go back to being a happy miner.
7. I work alone and have turned down all offers of joining pirate corps. |
Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.08.28 07:57:00 -
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Edited by: ShockAndAwe on 28/08/2003 07:37:34
Actions speak louder than words, you've witnessed my actions now hear my words:
1. All pirates with a bounty should be freely attacked by anyone, in any security without police protection.
2. I will delete the character if CCP ask me to.... Polaris have turned up twice, but have said or done nothing.
3. I will continue to use this method as my only option of protest, becuase we all know petitions do jack ****.
4. The more people that complain and moan about my actions the better, CCP will start to listen and take notice of the silly pirate protection rules.
5. I don't target new characters.
6. As soon as I can freely target and kill a wanted player, without retribution from Concord, I will delete this character and go back to being a happy miner.
7. I work alone and have turned down all offers of joining pirate corps.
[flame on]
Considering you have a -1.5 sec rating, that would make you fair game.
Very noble goals, but riddle me this: If your protest is against pirates being too protected, why don't you spend your time learning to fight them where they CAN be attacked, rather than griefing innocent bystanders?
Is it because you know that you're incapable of killing anyone in a fair manner?
Is it because you know you're incapable of killing anyone who actually does have a -5.0 sec rating?
You, my boy, have come up with the most obvious excuse for your griefing.
You aren't doing it for the good of the community, you're doing it for yourself.
Why else do you have indies with you to cart away the loot dropped by those innocent bystanders?
Do you offer to give them it back and then explain your reasons for their ship being destroyed?
No.
Your excuse stinks, just like your tactics.
[flame off]
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Asmodia
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Posted - 2003.08.28 09:21:00 -
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Quote:
hey molly, why don't you come play with someone that knows the rules and has a ship outfitted to kick your waste of biomass all over the universe. Your useless posts have no place here.
Looks like u speak NOT about urself and ur corp. IAs we had the nice playing with Tank CEO and 6 BS of 'The Collective' we contacted one of ur members to ask , if he want to join the fun.
answer : 'NO, Stain region is dangerous ... blah blah blah'
It is a shame that one of ur members had contact to Eve Marshalls. He had a trade with a guy of them and he told him : 'We fight vs M0o'
question:'Did u destroyed ships of M0o?'
answer:'No, we didnt'
I think u clown asses need a reality check. Molly never would waste ammunition on u. The only contest u would win vs her is a 'mining contest'..... maybe
Yes, i am ****ed off of our posts, Mining Marshalls. Only big words .....
Ban Molly from the forum ? Better ban u from eve, because u use a name like Sentenis Patroller or Angel Rough. You guys are only a FAKE.
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Callum McGrath
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Posted - 2003.08.28 09:40:00 -
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Hee! Hee! What fun!
As far as I can see the population of Eve is split into two sections ;
People who want to play the game, see it evolve, do a bit of this and that, make nice comments, petition about something every now and again etc..,
People who want to play the game until they get boredand then try and see what they can get away with.
Now, new players... is a new player defined by money alone? Tell you what, I'll give a 10 year old 100mil isk and a nice ship - does that make him/her experienced? You could be flying round in a frigate but be the CEO of one of the biggest Corps in EVE but have no money or anything of worth on you - does that make you a new player? Honestly some people!!!
This game does have a steep learning curve, I'd still classify myself as a new player, only been playing a month or so, there are still tricks to learn different tatics etc..,
Anyway, I'd just like to add my twopenneth worth - if you find something which you think - hey this is cool, then try it out, obviously if this involves doing something which is so obviously not in the sprit of the game then tell the devs - oh, you don't want to... nice person.
Ohh, I found your cash card, ohh, you left your pin number on it, hang on.... ohh, I've just taken 3000 out of your account, I hand the card into the police (after making sure there are no finger prints on it, nor was I caught on CCTV) - any exploit or criminal activity?
I'll leave it for you to think about.
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ShockAndAwe
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Posted - 2003.08.28 12:21:00 -
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Edited by: ShockAndAwe on 28/08/2003 12:23:04
Joshua: I said I play solo!
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ULTIMA TREX
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Posted - 2003.08.28 12:55:00 -
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You ever heard of the saying "never judge a book by its cover"
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Jarrick Camdar
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Posted - 2003.08.28 13:20:00 -
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Josh, you keep coming back to this "everyone should know" point. It's like you can't hear the other players complaining about the substance of the rules as they stand. They don't make sense. They are currently built to discourage conflict. Where are the bounty hunters? Where is the conflict? Should we all move to 0.0 non-empire space and have it? Can't you see the problem with a system like that?
Jarrick
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Georg
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Posted - 2003.08.28 13:48:00 -
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To the person talking about sentry guns firing when you shot at NPCs: are you *absolutely* sure it was an NPC. I personally have run into a PC who had given their character the name 'serpentis patroller' and was deliberately targetting and tricking people into firing on him. Unless you checked the ship icon for cross/box you would not even be aware that you had been had. Thankfully I only had mining lasers installed and so didn't go charging straight in.
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ShockAndAwe
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Posted - 2003.08.28 15:13:00 -
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Edited by: ShockAndAwe on 28/08/2003 15:17:25
I'll leave you all with this to ponder on.....
The other night a few of the locals, about 4 - 5 we're at the jumpgate, moaning and groaning about me being there. The local channel was full of hate.
The next thing you know a bloody great big 'Megathon' shows up, destroys my ship and then gets wasted by Concord. The locals then rush towards the loot. Their cries of delight fills the local chat with "I'm rich" and "woohoo"...
One minute I'm public enemy No.1 the next I'm their Robin Hood!
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Anya Stark
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Posted - 2003.08.28 15:38:00 -
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Back to "what should CCP do" maybe people?
Personally I think the warning is good (I didn't turn it off until the end of my first week) but needs to be split into two sections that can be disabled separately. First, one that generally warns you that you are about to take hostile action. Leave this one only if you are some kind of role play pacifist. Second, a warning that you are about to commit an agressive action with clear Concorde or faction implications (ie. firing first at a PC, attacking an NPC station or gate, attacking NPC police or Concorde). This second warning would prolly only be disabled by serious badass pirate types, leaving the rest of us to say "whoa, hell no, cancel" whenever we got this second warning, unless we clicked okay in order to kill a convoy or something.
I took the warning seriously when I started and left it on because Kang (see the Darwin awards) is a friend of mine and got podded by a sentry gun in beta because of accidently firing on a station (yup, they used to pod you). I have ever since paid close attention to how CCP implements the flashing lights, and did some research on EVE-i to be sure I understood security status and gate/cop reactions in detail. I don't really want to be killed by PCs, but I sure as hell don't want to be killed by accident.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.08.28 15:41:00 -
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Quote:
Josh, you keep coming back to this "everyone should know" point. It's like you can't hear the other players complaining about the substance of the rules as they stand. They don't make sense. They are currently built to discourage conflict. Where are the bounty hunters? Where is the conflict? Should we all move to 0.0 non-empire space and have it? Can't you see the problem with a system like that?
Jarrick
Jarrick,
Read my first post again.
You'll see I am asking for more documentation.
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Battle Arena
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Posted - 2003.08.29 05:30:00 -
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I have to agree with Joshua about better documentation, maybe a static message at the top of the news section, featured on the warpgate spamboards, re-warning people of the dangers of first contact.
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Jolo
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Posted - 2003.08.29 07:28:00 -
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The warning just says "There may be consequences" am I right? Doesn't say "Your battleship will be destroyed on site" or You better be sure the player has a -5.0 or you are in 0.4 or less space. etc. If i recall, it was just a simple warning.
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