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Silas Vitalia
Nobilita Nera JIHADASQUAD
1065
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Posted - 2013.10.08 22:50:00 -
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Odelya d'Hanguest wrote: I deemed it necessary, however, to inform Admiral Nomarya of the Royal Khanid Navy about Lok'riGÇÖs shockingly outrageous impertinence towards a holder of the Kingdom, which not only insults the Kingdom, but crosses every commonsensical line of jurisdictionGÇöwhich he doesnGÇÖt even possess in this case.
I made sure to pass along a few copies of your last skin flick to Commodore Nomarya along with your complaints.
Odelya d'Hanguest wrote:shockingly outrageous
Sen-Sational!
Sabik now, Sabik forever |

Zelarrs Elkoth
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
42
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Posted - 2013.10.08 22:50:00 -
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Silas Vitalia wrote:Gaven Lok'ri wrote:The war against Shakor takes priority over treacherous words and beliefs.
This does not sound like you. There's an old saying you might remember, to the effect of "suffer not a single heretic, though a whole world may burn as a result."There was a time not so many years ago, when True Amarr brother and sister capsuleers would settle this sort of thing immediately, political consequences be damned. You remember.
Your transparently self-serving comment has been noted. Thank you for encouraging infighting.
PIE works with and upholds established authorities and institutions within the Empire, just as any Imperial citizen should. No need for anarchic acts.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Commander, Head of Diplomacy, Recruiting Officer Contact on channel: "PIE Public" "I walk the razor's edge of embracing the future while protecting what we value of the past." |

Aldrith Shutaq
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
411
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Posted - 2013.10.08 22:50:00 -
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Odelya d'Hanguest wrote:Aldrith Shutaq wrote:Glad to see we are taking a stand on this, Admiral. Even if those like Ms. d'Hanguest are not direct subjects of the Empress they should at very least show some respect. I expect the MIO to be no more than mildly bemused by their opinons, but I am always for telling people to mind their manners. So now it is the place of failed court poets to judge the nobles? Yah, a party of foolish jesters you truly are. And you dare to talk about GÇ£understanding following proper procedure.GÇ¥ Preposterous. Preposterous. Preposterous!
My apologies if I have offended you, my lady. I still respect the Kingdom and those who hold titles within it immensely, but I am also not afraid to tell you in this case that it is in your best interests to keep the discourse between yourself and those of the Empire civil.
As you are a Holder you are a representative of your nation, just as Lord-Admiral Lok'ri is a representative of ours. We are allies and as such should respect one another enough that things like this are never an issue. I know that I am a mere commoner and that I perhaps do not know enough about matters of sovereignty and disputed titles to comment, but I do believe this much is obvious. I humbly suggest you retract your previous statements and apologize for any offence given so that we might put this affair behind us and get back to the proper business of keeping the faithful out of harms way in the current war. |

Silas Vitalia
Nobilita Nera JIHADASQUAD
1065
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Posted - 2013.10.08 22:54:00 -
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Zelarrs Elkoth wrote:[quote=Silas Vitalia]
Your transparently self-serving comment has been noted. Thank you for encouraging infighting.
PIE works with and upholds established authorities and institutions within the Empire, just as any Imperial citizen should. No need for anarchic acts.
Oh don't worry this won't effect my upcoming evisceration of her and subsequent gift to your organization. Sabik now, Sabik forever |

Zelarrs Elkoth
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
42
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Posted - 2013.10.08 23:34:00 -
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Silas Vitalia wrote:Zelarrs Elkoth wrote:[quote=Silas Vitalia]
Your transparently self-serving comment has been noted. Thank you for encouraging infighting.
PIE works with and upholds established authorities and institutions within the Empire, just as any Imperial citizen should. No need for anarchic acts.
Oh don't worry this won't effect my upcoming evisceration of her and subsequent gift to your organization.
I do not worry as your opinions are irrelevant, admitted heretic. And "gifts" unwelcome. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Commander, Head of Diplomacy, Recruiting Officer Contact on channel: "PIE Public" "I walk the razor's edge of embracing the future while protecting what we value of the past." |

Tarunik Raqalth'Qui
Anomalous Existence
130
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Posted - 2013.10.09 00:16:00 -
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There is a sidenote I would wish to make, and that has to do with direct questions of authority (denying that someone is your leader, chief executive, commander in chief, or whatever title has been bestowed upon him/her, or claiming their holding of the title is illegitimate) vs. questions of policy. The former, I agree, are troublesome no matter how a government or other such body is structured, with a few rare exceptions related to fitness to rule, of which Empress Sarum is not one of them (and for her sake, I do not wish such a mental breakdown upon her). The latter, though, are a normal and healthy part of a functioning governance apparatus. To conflate the former and the latter is quite harmful, considering that while she may have all the enlightenment the title of Empress brings, Jamyl I Sarum is still as capable of goofing something up as you or I, Lord Lok'Ri.
In short: "the Empress sucks" is one thing, "the Empress made a bad call there because of such-and-such reason" is a whole another story. Don't mix the two up, and I think we'll all be better off for it. |

Gaven Lok'ri
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
48
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Posted - 2013.10.09 01:05:00 -
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Tarunik Raqalth'Qui wrote:There is a sidenote I would wish to make, and that has to do with direct questions of authority (denying that someone is your leader, chief executive, commander in chief, or whatever title has been bestowed upon him/her, or claiming their holding of the title is illegitimate) vs. questions of policy. The former, I agree, are troublesome no matter how a government or other such body is structured, with a few rare exceptions related to fitness to rule, of which Empress Sarum is not one of them (and for her sake, I do not wish such a mental breakdown upon her). The latter, though, are a normal and healthy part of a functioning governance apparatus. To conflate the former and the latter is quite harmful, considering that while she may have all the enlightenment the title of Empress brings, Jamyl I Sarum is still as capable of goofing something up as you or I, Lord Lok'Ri.
In short: "the Empress sucks" is one thing, "the Empress made a bad call there because of such-and-such reason" is a whole another story. Don't mix the two up, and I think we'll all be better off for it.
That you can say this just demonstrates that you know nothing about the unique position of the Empress as the viceroy of God. There are only a very select few who have the authority to question the Empress, and none of them frequent these forums. Lord Admiral of PIE Inc."Face the enemy as a solid wall /-áFor faith is your armor /-áAnd through it, the enemy will find no breach /-áWrap your arms around the enemy /-áFor faith is your fire-áAnd with it, burn away his evil"- The Scriptures, Amarr Askura 10:3 |

Gaven Lok'ri
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
49
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Posted - 2013.10.09 01:46:00 -
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Amann Karris wrote:They are treating individuals as traitors without even allowing those of Holder status their right to honorable duel.
Those who step so far above their station as to question the Empress have no honor, and therefore have forfeited any courtesy that would otherwise be due to them.
Holders have a special responsibility to uphold the Amarrian way of life and to provide an example of proper and decorous behavior for all who are of lower status. Publicly questioning the Empresses status is a direct violation of that responsibility and a disgrace to the office of Holder. Lord Admiral of PIE Inc."Face the enemy as a solid wall /-áFor faith is your armor /-áAnd through it, the enemy will find no breach /-áWrap your arms around the enemy /-áFor faith is your fire-áAnd with it, burn away his evil"- The Scriptures, Amarr Askura 10:3 |

Amann Karris
Yulai Enclave
32
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Posted - 2013.10.09 02:24:00 -
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Gaven Lok'ri wrote:Holders have a special responsibility to uphold the Amarrian way of life and to provide an example of proper and decorous behavior for all who are of lower status. Publicly questioning the Empresses status is a direct violation of that responsibility and a disgrace to the office of Holder. Then let her address my disgrace openly. Neither she nor the Ministry of Internal Order need help in finding evidence of my alleged treason. What will you do to stop my speaking out against her?
Have I spoken against the Empress? Yes. On multiple occasions. I do not accept her place as leader on the grounds that Jamyl Sarum died an honorable death during the Trials. The individual claiming to be Jamyl Sarum is either a clone or an impostor. As such, I challenge her claim to the throne. I see no reason why the Privy Council could not challenge her themselves on this point, and the only reason I can see for them to not do this is fear of upsetting the precarious order of the Empire.
I believe the Empire is stronger than that.
These are my beliefs. I was content with quietly making observations when I had the opportunity, but now you have given me a reason to vent my continued frustration. For that, I thank you.
I do wonder though. What do you expect to accomplish from this public theater? As your allies have diplomatically put it, this is an internal matter of the Empire. Neither the MIO nor Empress Jamyl I have the right to block my entrance to the Empire, as I am a Capsuleer. As a destitute Holder, I have nothing for them to take save my title. If I receive notice that my title has been revoked, and that I have been demoted to the status of mere commoner, I would smile and move on with my life, and continue to question the Empress.
There is nothing you can take from me that I am not prepared to lose.
I am Lord Amann Karris. I am not a heretic. I am not a traitor. I am a devoted servant of the Empire and God. I will not quietly accept your judgment over me. I will not quietly accept a ruler who has not accounted for her actions.
Quote:To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin. - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21 Open your eyes. Open your minds. |

Isis Dea
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
134
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Posted - 2013.10.09 02:58:00 -
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And here I was thinking there weren't already enough heretics in the Amarrian-Minmatar warzone.
With all these people outcrying for attention by questioning a figure who is so far above ever needing to account for her actions, backed by an Empire that need not ever account for its own actions... PIE, why?
Why waste time on garbage?
Your Empress, if I ever could claim to understand a sliver of the great woman leading your Empire, I'm sure would expect better of you. |
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Gaven Lok'ri
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
50
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Posted - 2013.10.09 03:10:00 -
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I hate to break it to you, Mr. Karris, but you were merely the last straw. The person whose treacherous ramblings made me decide that a stance needed to be made. Beyond that, you are little more than a pathetic and honorless disgrace to your ancestry.
This statement isn't about you, it is about those who would be tempted to follow you, to give in to the council of Molok and question the Empress who was appointed by all of the correct officials. They need to understand that such a course is not acceptable, that such a course is a failure of the test and a betrayal of God.
To question the Empress is to claim the authority of the Theology Council, the Privy Council, or the Speakers of Truth for one self. Such a usurpation of authority is a massive sin and I pray that my efforts here can help stem this cancerous Gallente idea that it is the place of those of us who should be serving the Empire to question it.
Lord Admiral of PIE Inc."Face the enemy as a solid wall /-áFor faith is your armor /-áAnd through it, the enemy will find no breach /-áWrap your arms around the enemy /-áFor faith is your fire-áAnd with it, burn away his evil"- The Scriptures, Amarr Askura 10:3 |

Fredfredbug4
Eve Defence Force Cult of War
1415
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Posted - 2013.10.09 03:20:00 -
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Why do you heathens mock PIE? Clearly they are launching this initiative to create a list of people to send angry letters to! In proper display of their anger, they won't even use proper postage!
Amarr Victor!
Sarcasm aside, your Empress is not divine, even she knows this. The fact that an Empire of trillions of people is expecting her to be the living embodiment of their God's will is part of why the poor woman is being driven to insanity. Watch Fred Fred Frederation and stop cryptozoologist! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it! |

Amann Karris
Yulai Enclave
32
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Posted - 2013.10.09 03:46:00 -
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Gaven Lok'ri wrote:I hate to break it to you, Mr. Karris, but you were merely the last straw. The person whose treacherous ramblings made me decide that a stance needed to be made. Beyond that, you are little more than a pathetic and honorless disgrace to your ancestry. You know nothing of my ancestry. You know nothing of my hardships.
You are correct, however. This is not about me. This was never about me, or the other voices of dissent. It is about the souls you wish to protect from what you perceive as a corrupting influence. I respect that. I honor that. I have known you to be a man of righteousness and of conviction, and your actions here reinforce that view of you.
Regardless of the high esteem I have for you and your organization, I cannot in good conscience stay quiet. Feel free to take whatever steps you wish to try and silence me.
To those who apparently need protecting from such deception:
Face the enemy as a solid wall For faith is your armor And through it, the enemy will find no breach Wrap your arms around the enemy For faith is your fire And with it, burn away his evil - The Scriptures, Amarr Askura 10:3
I stand firm in my faith. I will not allow evil to prevail. |

Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
563
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Posted - 2013.10.09 04:18:00 -
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Speaking against Empress is like it was speaking against Tibus Heth, when he was Executor. It is a treason. Show them no mercy. |

Rioghal Morgan
Pixel Navigators
48
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Posted - 2013.10.09 04:23:00 -
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Oh gods. See what you did, PIE? You got Diana Kim to agree with you. Now you know you've well and truly arrived in crazy town. |

Eran Mintor
Esoteric Philosophy
173
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Posted - 2013.10.09 04:25:00 -
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Rioghal Morgan wrote:Oh gods. See what you did, PIE? You got Diana Kim to agree with you. Now you know you've well and truly arrived in crazy town.
Is crazy town in any way related to Busy Town?
-Eran |

Anabella Rella
Gradient Electus Matari
1090
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Posted - 2013.10.09 05:31:00 -
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Down with this sort of thing! No one likes a tattle tale.
P.S. Your empress is a clone, she's supposedly been seen having heated debates with herself and she dresses funny. Oh, and your deity is just a fairy tale told to frighten small children and the weak-minded. Is that heretical enough? Can I be on the naughty list now? I know I probably am already but, I want to be certain.
I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused. |

Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
563
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Posted - 2013.10.09 05:38:00 -
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I think that would qualify for a "primitive tribal" list instead. Unfortunately, I can't think of any other person to make you a company there. |

Sebastien Starstrider
Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
54
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Posted - 2013.10.09 06:23:00 -
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I question the Empress' expertise in intimate bedroom encounters. If she wishes to defend herself, I would be more than willing to judge her competence myself in private. |

Rodj Blake
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1475
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Posted - 2013.10.09 06:52:00 -
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Anslo wrote:Alright. Inappropriate facetiousness aside, I need to actually ask something here. Your worlds and systems rest in the hands of the Minmatar, your sworn enemy you vowed to bring back under the banner of Amarr, and you're making a list? Why don't you leave that to the MIO, you know...as it's their job? Why do you think they are incapable of handling this?
I don't understand why you're wasting time declaring a new 'list' to be made and handed over to MIO essentially saying I'M TELLING I'M TELLING instead of taking back your worlds. For the love of Gods, I thought this was a joke at first. But no, you're actually doing this. Unbelievable....
Imagine the following scenario:
You're walking along a street when you see a gang of thugs attacking an old lady. You decide that they need to be stopped, but you intervening directly will not help the situation.
Do you contact the police and let them know what's happening, or do you leave it to them, you know, as it's their job?
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |
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Odelya d'Hanguest
ZERO HEAVY INDUSTRIES 24eme Legion Etrangere
141
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Posted - 2013.10.09 07:41:00 -
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Rodj Blake wrote:Anslo wrote:Alright. Inappropriate facetiousness aside, I need to actually ask something here. Your worlds and systems rest in the hands of the Minmatar, your sworn enemy you vowed to bring back under the banner of Amarr, and you're making a list? Why don't you leave that to the MIO, you know...as it's their job? Why do you think they are incapable of handling this?
I don't understand why you're wasting time declaring a new 'list' to be made and handed over to MIO essentially saying I'M TELLING I'M TELLING instead of taking back your worlds. For the love of Gods, I thought this was a joke at first. But no, you're actually doing this. Unbelievable.... Imagine the following scenario: You're walking along a street when you see a gang of thugs attacking an old lady. You decide that they need to be stopped, but you intervening directly will not help the situation. Now imagine the following scenario: A military organisation of about one hundred people which is part of a militia, sees a group of thugs attacking an old lady. The military organisation, which consists of trained capsuleers, decides to call the police. Would you call that an example of duty? An example of braveness?
Rodj Blake wrote:Do you contact the police and let them know what's happening, or do you leave it to them, you know, as it's their job? What's your job then, Blake? Book of Prayers GÇö Download GÇö Viva la Legion! |

Anabella Rella
Gradient Electus Matari
1090
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Posted - 2013.10.09 07:42:00 -
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Rodj Blake wrote: Imagine the following scenario:
You're walking along a street when you see a gang of thugs attacking an old lady. You decide that they need to be stopped, but you intervening directly will not help the situation.
Do you contact the police and let them know what's happening, or do you leave it to them, you know, as it's their job?
So advocating an unorthodox idea within the Empire is viewed the same as committing a violent crime against persons? Interesting.
I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused. |

Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
267
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Posted - 2013.10.09 08:06:00 -
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Odelya d'Hanguest wrote:Rodj Blake wrote:Anslo wrote:Alright. Inappropriate facetiousness aside, I need to actually ask something here. Your worlds and systems rest in the hands of the Minmatar, your sworn enemy you vowed to bring back under the banner of Amarr, and you're making a list? Why don't you leave that to the MIO, you know...as it's their job? Why do you think they are incapable of handling this?
I don't understand why you're wasting time declaring a new 'list' to be made and handed over to MIO essentially saying I'M TELLING I'M TELLING instead of taking back your worlds. For the love of Gods, I thought this was a joke at first. But no, you're actually doing this. Unbelievable.... Imagine the following scenario: You're walking along a street when you see a gang of thugs attacking an old lady. You decide that they need to be stopped, but you intervening directly will not help the situation. Now imagine the following scenario: A military organisation of about one hundred people which is part of a militia, sees a group of thugs attacking an old lady. The military organisation, which consists of trained capsuleers, decides to call the police. Would you call that an example of duty? An example of braveness?
"Those who are put on this list will be considered traitors to Amarr by PIE inc and will be treated as such. This list will also be sent to the MIO..."
Sending the list to MIO is secondary.
Anabella Rella wrote:So advocating an unorthodox idea within the Empire is viewed the same as committing a violent crime against persons? Interesting.
Her Imperial Majesty is the viceroy of God. Challenging her authority is like challenging God's. |

Gaven Lok'ri
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
52
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Posted - 2013.10.09 08:23:00 -
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Anabella Rella wrote:Rodj Blake wrote: Imagine the following scenario:
You're walking along a street when you see a gang of thugs attacking an old lady. You decide that they need to be stopped, but you intervening directly will not help the situation.
Do you contact the police and let them know what's happening, or do you leave it to them, you know, as it's their job?
So advocating an unorthodox idea within the Empire is viewed the same as committing a violent crime against persons? Interesting.
Propagating a soul damning idea is worse than violent crime. Violent crime only destroys the body, heretical ideas destroy the eternal soul's chance at paradise.
Lord Admiral of PIE Inc."Face the enemy as a solid wall /-áFor faith is your armor /-áAnd through it, the enemy will find no breach /-áWrap your arms around the enemy /-áFor faith is your fire-áAnd with it, burn away his evil"- The Scriptures, Amarr Askura 10:3 |

TomHorn
Join The Dark Side Join The Empire
109
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Posted - 2013.10.09 09:10:00 -
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Horn family admire the stance of PIE inc. against traitors & heretics of the Amarr Empire. If it is possible to have a copy of the list once it is compiled, my family will happily punish any on the list we come across in open space.
As allies to the Amarr Empire we wish you well in your endeavours. |

Seriphyn Inhonores
Elusenian Cooperative
552
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Posted - 2013.10.09 09:36:00 -
[56] - Quote
Gotta give this one to Lord Admiral Lok'ri for integrity and consistency. Better to stick to your empire's original beliefs than wishy-washy, Gallente-tainted "interpretations".
After all, the Empire is an absolutist entity. What is said at the top is unambiguously the word of God, and even an atheist can understand that there can be no word higher than the creator of all existence, if one believed in it. Liberal relativism has never been a thing there, so it is Admiral Lok'ri who appears wholesome. |

Kyllsa Siikanen
Gradient Electus Matari
39
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Posted - 2013.10.09 10:54:00 -
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Gaven, oh you little drop of sunshine you,
If someone has actual, recorded proof of one of your own - yes, a PIE member - decrying the Empress, the Theology Council, and the Amarrian Faith, would you report them too?
This is fun! GÇ£Crying is all right in its own way while it lasts. But you have to stop sooner or later, and then you still have to decide what to do.GÇ¥-á
GÇò C.S. Lewis-á |

Andrea Okazon
Alexylva Paradox
175
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Posted - 2013.10.09 12:09:00 -
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Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:Gotta give this one to Lord Admiral Lok'ri for integrity and consistency. Better to stick to your empire's original beliefs than wishy-washy, Gallente-tainted "interpretations".
After all, the Empire is an absolutist entity. What is said at the top is unambiguously the word of God, and even an atheist can understand that there can be no word higher than the creator of all existence, if one believed in it. Liberal relativism has never been a thing there, so it is Admiral Lok'ri who appears wholesome.
I imagine that there is more to the Amarr religion than mindless ranting atop the walls of a hollowed-out fortress, even if -- from the outside -- it is rather difficult to see it. |

Cain Aloga
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2013.10.09 13:30:00 -
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This is an Internal matter within the Amarr Empire. Even though they are our sworn enemies, and we are theirs, It is my opinion that this matter be left to them and them alone. I would ask that any Minmatar refrain from further commenting on this topic, as it is neither necessary nor productive.
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Dahacai Laguz
Aliastra Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2013.10.09 13:36:00 -
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Having worked on occasion for the Royal Family makes me support this. The Empress' beauty and grace is unrivalled and beckoning even to a heathen such as myself. Had I the faith you possess and it would be an honor to be one of her knights. |
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