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ZzeusS
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Posted - 2006.01.25 18:49:00 -
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This could be an interesting tactic when I run up against a gate gank. I still haven't seriously played in a while so let me ask some newb questions.
All gates fire on agressors regardless of security of the sector?
What options are non-agressive? Warp jamming so they can't get away sounds fun.
Can you warp through the gate if you are engaged in hostile action?
Is the Punisher the best frig for this type of thing? And is one small armor repairer enough? I assume you are draining someone to keep your cap running all this time.
Why would someone at a gate open fire if they can't tank the sentries? Or was a matter of time because they thought you were an easy kill?
Would Battleships be able to overwhelm this setup, or would they not be able to hit you easily due to being small?
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Kay Dee
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Posted - 2006.01.25 19:05:00 -
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Edited by: Kay Dee on 25/01/2006 19:08:11
 Originally by: Malka Badi'a
It's like watching your child die in front of you, slowly.
OOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooo Kay....
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Raznarok
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Posted - 2006.01.25 19:21:00 -
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Originally by: ZzeusS
This could be an interesting tactic when I run up against a gate gank. I still haven't seriously played in a while so let me ask some newb questions.
All gates fire on agressors regardless of security of the sector? - not in 0.0
What options are non-agressive? Warp jamming so they can't get away sounds fun. - warp jamming is considered aggressive
Can you warp through the gate if you are engaged in hostile action? - only if you havent aggressed
Is the Punisher the best frig for this type of thing? And is one small armor repairer enough? I assume you are draining someone to keep your cap running all this time. - cap relays decrease cap recharge rates, there were three fitted according to post
Why would someone at a gate open fire if they can't tank the sentries? Or was a matter of time because they thought you were an easy kill? - coz their nublings
Would Battleships be able to overwhelm this setup, or would they not be able to hit you easily due to being small? - if they were kitted correctly, yes they could hit you
I answered these according to whats in the thread. 
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Malka Badi'a
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Posted - 2006.01.25 19:35:00 -
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Edited by: Malka Badi''a on 25/01/2006 19:36:15
Originally by: ZzeusS
This could be an interesting tactic when I run up against a gate gank. I still haven't seriously played in a while so let me ask some newb questions.
I'd consider you a fool for not asking. Knowledge if power in EVE. Quote:
All gates fire on agressors regardless of security of the sector?
Correct. If anyone commits an aggressive act, the sentry guns fire. However if someone attacks someone that has aggroed the sentry guns, they they can fire on the attacker without the sentry guns returning fire or getting a security hit. This is because the origonal attacker is now considered CONCORD threat and is blinking red. Killable even, without a sec hit. Quote:
What options are non-agressive? Warp jamming so they can't get away sounds fun.
Anything hostile. Nos, scrambler, guns, ecm, etc. Quote:
Can you warp through the gate if you are engaged in hostile action?
No, if you have activated any hostile module, even if you are the defender and not the origonal attacker, you have a wait period of generally 60 seconds after your module is turned off before the gate allows you through. Quote:
Is the Punisher the best frig for this type of thing? And is one small armor repairer enough? I assume you are draining someone to keep your cap running all this time.
It depends. Against missiles and cruiser-class wepaonry (and higher) the punisher's natural resistance makes it an incredible tank. The heavy missiles were only hitting me for 10-15 damage each, something quite easily tankable. The punisher also has a VERY low signature radius for a frigate so turret tracking against it can be difficult. A balanced speed with an AB is plenty of speed to close the gate.
Your only concern is someone who is sniping from a long distance using multiple tracking computers, or if two or three webs are placed on your ship. One shouldn't be enough to slow the punisher down to the point of overpowering focused damage, but two can. Quote:
Why would someone at a gate open fire if they can't tank the sentries? Or was a matter of time because they thought you were an easy kill?
Bingo. The battlecruisers can tank sentry guns for a limited period of time with a combination of hardeners and repair methods. Generally enough time to wipe your victim up and warp out. They should have fitted light missiles, webs, and stronger tanks if they wanted to eliminate me. Quote:
Would Battleships be able to overwhelm this setup, or would they not be able to hit you easily due to being small?
Depends. Long range snipers? Most likely. Close-range battleships? You can generally sprint straight for the gate as their larger guns have a hard time tracking you, but heavy drones would pose a problem.
I can't give you a direct answer because the setup/ship choice is very depedant upon situation. You can see how my setup played perfectly to this exact situation.
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Flash Oldladies
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Posted - 2006.01.25 20:11:00 -
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Originally by: Alex Kynes
Originally by: Flash Oldladies
My immediate thought is...
You jump a gate, you don't warp it.
You 'jump in' from a different system, you don't warp in.
These sort of mistakes would mess up communications in any serious pvp op. Noob.
Any serious PvP operation would be using voice coms. Shut up.
Troll.
/AK
And the mistake is lessened on voice comms how exactly? I think my point is that its a bit rich calling people PvP rookies when you fail to grasp basic terminology yourself.
And Kuscheltier, thanks for my 'price'. I'm sorry that my opinions aren't so well constructed and thought out that I have to edit them twice simply to quote someone. |
Malka Badi'a
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Posted - 2006.01.25 20:25:00 -
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Edited by: Malka Badi''a on 25/01/2006 20:27:22
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And the mistake is lessened on voice comms how exactly?
I didn't realise that voice communications had anything to do with speaking to random people in local. Should I start inviting everyone into my teamspeak server as if it was the new MySpace? Quote:
I think my point is that its a bit rich calling people PvP rookies when you fail to grasp basic terminology yourself.
Terminology? I don't care what terms someone uses to describe an action because it's about the sent message, not the semantics. If you fly with people who use different semantical terms then don't try and assume that everyone uses the same terminology you do. The people I fly with know what I mean when I say the following:
"Gate activation, ___ gate. Incoming target, still cloaked. Visual confirmed." = Someone used the jump gate to come in system. I saw it with my eyes, not my scanner.
"Target has left out of the ___ gate. Visual confirmed." = Someone used the jump gate to leave the system. I saw it with my eyes, not my scanner.
"Hostiles on me. Warp on top, 15k range." = Someone has warped to me, regardless where, and their range would best be intercepted by a 15k warp to me.
Now, if you want to stand on your soapbox and begin forcing everyone to use the same terminology that you do, that's fine. Don't expect a following. People will use the terminology passed on through mentors, gameplay, previous games, and whatever merely works best for them. Next time I want to treat a local ASCII based communication, I'll begin emoting the keypress activation for teamspeak in local. How's that?
/releases the teamspeak button, mic off.
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Flash Oldladies
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Posted - 2006.01.25 21:39:00 -
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And the mistake is lessened on voice comms how exactly?
I didn't realise that voice communications had anything to do with speaking to random people in local.
Neither did I, glad you noticed. I didn't bring it up first, if you check.
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Terminology? I don't care what terms someone uses to describe an action because it's about the sent message, not the semantics.
Now, blah
Well, you see the terminology helps the message be accurate you see - its not really much of a soap box is it. Warp drive, warp scramblers, in warp. Jumping, x jumps away - this is what it says in game when you do or plan to do these actions.
For example(and I only need 1 example to show you up): Saying "Warping now" when you are in fact jumping to a team mate when he calls for help might mean that pilot stays longer in a situation when he should really have left.
The difference between 'jumping' and 'warping' is universally recognised. But hey call 'ships', 'stations' if you like. But just don't post professing to be superior at the naming of celestial objects. |
Malka Badi'a
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Posted - 2006.01.25 21:50:00 -
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Edited by: Malka Badi''a on 25/01/2006 21:51:49
Originally by: Flash Oldladies
Neither did I, glad you noticed. I didn't bring it up first, if you check.
I did check. So what was the point of even bringing up the topic in a post strictly about ASCII communication? Quote:
Well, you see the terminology helps the message be accurate you see - its not really much of a soap box is it. Warp drive, warp scramblers, in warp. Jumping, x jumps away - this is what it says in game when you do or plan to do these actions.
Er.. okay? Quote:
For example(and I only need 1 example to show you up): Saying "Warping now" when you are in fact jumping to a team mate when he calls for help might mean that pilot stays longer in a situation when he should really have left.
What on earth are you talking about? Who cares what terminology you use? Did you even read my post? Let's review, for your troll sake.
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I decide to let silent actions end the discussion and began a warp to the gate.
I never said I jumped. I said I warped to the gate. No question there. Quote:
One ferox is taking too much damage and warps out.
I never said he jumped through the gate, I said he warped out. No confusion there. Quote:
A medium range brutix warped in and managed to break my tank
Again, I said he warped in, not jumped in. No confusion. Quote:
I warp through the gate and relax.
Is that your ONLY objection? I can understand your confusion on the terminology, but I can't see a single person being confused about someone warping THROUGH the gate versus TO the gate. If that confuses you, well... Quote:
Malka Badi'a > Sure thing and then approaching the gate to warp in.
Was it this part? Or did you not read it properly? I was explaining that they would have approached the gate, entered, and warped into my position. Peice of cake to understand.
No one else seemed to have a problem listening or reading it. Not in my two years of EVE has anyone EVER had a problem understanding what I am saying. Trolls ftl.
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ZzeusS
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Posted - 2006.01.25 23:17:00 -
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Malka thanks for the info. There is one particular group of battleships at a gate that I have to fly through to move goods that I might try this on. Usually I slip through with not much damage but I may fit a gate *****er just to try fighting back for once.
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Malka Badi'a
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Posted - 2006.01.25 23:22:00 -
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Originally by: ZzeusS
Malka thanks for the info. There is one particular group of battleships at a gate that I have to fly through to move goods that I might try this on. Usually I slip through with not much damage but I may fit a gate *****er just to try fighting back for once.
Battleships have a much larger ability to tank the sentry guns, so be careful. What type of battleships and what are they able to hit you with thus far?
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ZzeusS
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Posted - 2006.01.26 00:29:00 -
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Originally by: Malka Badi'a
Originally by: ZzeusS
Malka thanks for the info. There is one particular group of battleships at a gate that I have to fly through to move goods that I might try this on. Usually I slip through with not much damage but I may fit a gate *****er just to try fighting back for once.
Battleships have a much larger ability to tank the sentry guns, so be careful. What type of battleships and what are they able to hit you with thus far?
I wasn't paying too much attention as I was zipping around in windowed mode not really paying attention. three of them, all firing at the same time. No webbing or jamming or anything, and not really hitting for that much. I didn't have my log running :|
I hit my shield recharger and toughed it out. They got to about half armor left. My alt was in an Amarr ship, I forget the name. The one that goes 400m/sec base and looks like a cylon raptor.
Come to think of it they could probably take the sentries for longer then it would take to pop me.
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Scoundrelus
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Posted - 2006.01.26 00:49:00 -
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Where do these guys hang out? I can pirate a few of them just because of how dumb they are >.<
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Malka Badi'a
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Posted - 2006.01.26 01:05:00 -
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Originally by: Scoundrelus
Where do these guys hang out? I can pirate a few of them just because of how dumb they are >.<
Bantish system, primarily, but also mining/NPCing within that general low-sec area of Genesis. Makh constellation.
Anyone who wants, feel free.
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Dahin
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Posted - 2006.01.26 14:51:00 -
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you should have scrammed.
The pilot would whine and the 3 frigs would engage and die pretty fassssst.
Then he dies also and you get 4 kills 
Then you could claim to be "todays pwnman" in the forums.
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NightfallGemini
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Posted - 2006.01.26 18:00:00 -
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Hahaha! Awesome. <3
Malka wins hard.
Now I'm gonna have to try this setup at some point! XD
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minnmirman
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Posted - 2006.01.26 18:26:00 -
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Congratulations malka for overcoming stupidity with maturity, non-dumbassedness, and an all around sensible view of the game and the way you play it. Not killing the noobs, while it shows real class, may not have been the best thing to do. They obviously need to learn the hard way that they are not extreme rulers of the universe and all that it contains.
Flash- You sir are a moron. Dont pick apart a a part of the thread that is meaningless to the overall theme.
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Malka Badi'a
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Posted - 2006.01.26 18:27:00 -
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It's an uncommon but viable setup. I recently engaged a caracal last night that was using a web and heavy missiles. Tanked it completely and when he refused the ransom I destroyed him. The key was that my tech I armor repairer can negate a good deal of damage but capacitor becomes a problem. NOS helps but it isn't enough to sustain repairer+cap intensive weaponry+scrambler for an indefinant period of time. Because of those three relays I can safely engage and tank off larger ships. Some of these fights may even last five to six minutes of me orbiting, tanking, and shooting. I need that capacitor.
Last night I also managed to call a draw against a crow since his explosive rockets couldn't break my tank and he couldn't break my capacitor. If it went on much longer I think I could have had him, as despite his 2k speed I was able to hit him if I manually created my own transversal velocity.
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Under TheMole
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Posted - 2006.01.26 19:46:00 -
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Malka, I'll reply to your comments.
We had a short chat last night I believe when I came and targeted you in a nearby system to Bantish.
Honestly, I know one of the reasons your down there, and even though it puts me at risk, meh, your in it for the money anyway. 
I personally don't see any reason to go after you unless you go after me (which I'm sure you will eventually LOL). Anyway off topic, I do agree that was kinda stupid to go after you within sentry range .. and did you say that was a T1 frig? Like you were in last night? WTF? And exactly why did they do this? Or were they just seeing a big bounty?
Anyway, just wanted you to know I do keep it civil and don't prefer smack talk drivel. It's just a game .. geeesh.
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Malka Badi'a
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Posted - 2006.01.26 20:00:00 -
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Edited by: Malka Badi''a on 26/01/2006 20:00:32
Originally by: Under TheMole
We had a short chat last night I believe when I came and targeted you in a nearby system to Bantish.
A brief chat but you had the maturity and patience to keep it civil. You have my respect for that. Quote:
Honestly, I know one of the reasons your down there, and even though it puts me at risk, meh, your in it for the money anyway.
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Anyway off topic, I do agree that was kinda stupid to go after you within sentry range .. and did you say that was a T1 frig?
Tech 1 Punisher frigate, yes. And generally, they could have killed me and warped out to saftey in time due to the BCs large amount of armor. Unfortunatally, they didn't fit light missiles. Quote:
Like you were in last night? WTF? And exactly why did they do this? Or were they just seeing a big bounty?
I can't remember what ship you were in? There were two engagements of the six last night that I had to pull from, one from a minmatar stabber and one from a minmatar rupture. The stabber couldn't break me and I couldn't beat his afterburner once he had me webbed. The rupture couldn't break me but I couldn't beat his Nos. Both were excellent fights by both pilots. Quote:
Anyway, just wanted you to know I do keep it civil and don't prefer smack talk drivel. It's just a game .. geeesh.
Good man. See you in space then
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OVERCOPES 1
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Posted - 2006.01.26 20:56:00 -
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so they couldnt pop you in rupture or a stabber.
Brutors out of control?Sebiestors becoming work shy?
Worry no more.
Use vitoc,makes the stubornist apes clean faster!!!!
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Malka Badi'a
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Posted - 2006.01.26 21:33:00 -
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Originally by: OVERCOPES 1
so they couldnt pop you in rupture or a stabber.
Stabber was using arts, thus why I engaged him. My punisher can easily fly underneath the arts. Arts couldn't touch me and his heavy missile (IIRC it was indeed a heavy) was only hitting for 20-25 damage. The rupture's heavies hit for the same damage as the stabbers, so easily tankable. His medium drones also didn't last long against multifrequency crystals so all that was left were his Arts, which of course could not hit me.
Strange and dumb for them to fits arts? Perhaps. I'm not one to judge. But I pick my fights carefully and thus why neither could break me. The caracal and crow though, well.. simply a matter of tactical edge on my end.
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Famine Aligher'ri
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Posted - 2006.01.26 21:39:00 -
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Na artys are ok if they brung
-Web
-Painter
I instant pop tech1 frigs with 720 II's on a cruiser. But i guess that's just me.
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Malka Badi'a
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Posted - 2006.01.26 21:47:00 -
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Originally by: Famine Aligher'ri
Na artys are ok if they brung
-Web
-Painter
I instant pop tech1 frigs with 720 II's on a cruiser. But i guess that's just me.
Agreed, a web and painter are going to make art's deadly devices. BUT I've yet to see a web bring my 2k orbital punisher to a halt though. I think under the 5k range mark they simply can't track fast enough, even when I'm webbed. What is your experience on that?
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Leno
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Posted - 2006.01.26 22:23:00 -
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Originally by: Flash Oldladies
Originally by: Alex Kynes
Originally by: Flash Oldladies
My immediate thought is...
You jump a gate, you don't warp it.
You 'jump in' from a different system, you don't warp in.
These sort of mistakes would mess up communications in any serious pvp op. Noob.
Any serious PvP operation would be using voice coms. Shut up.
Troll.
/AK
And the mistake is lessened on voice comms how exactly? I think my point is that its a bit rich calling people PvP rookies when you fail to grasp basic terminology yourself.
And Kuscheltier, thanks for my 'price'. I'm sorry that my opinions aren't so well constructed and thought out that I have to edit them twice simply to quote someone.
look lets just go with your both pvp nubs who should worship and pay homage to me 
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RIP - Smoske, My Friend
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OVERCOPES 1
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Posted - 2006.01.26 22:26:00 -
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artys on a stabber is wrong on so many levels.
not that i fly minnie or anything......id get laughed at
Brutors out of control?Sebiestors becoming work shy?
Worry no more.
Use vitoc,makes the stubornist apes clean faster!!!!
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Famine Aligher'ri
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Posted - 2006.01.26 23:21:00 -
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Originally by: Malka Badi'a
Originally by: Famine Aligher'ri
Na artys are ok if they brung
-Web
-Painter
I instant pop tech1 frigs with 720 II's on a cruiser. But i guess that's just me.
Agreed, a web and painter are going to make art's deadly devices. BUT I've yet to see a web bring my 2k orbital punisher to a halt though. I think under the 5k range mark they simply can't track fast enough, even when I'm webbed. What is your experience on that?
Last night I popped a ares at a gate around 3,000m away from a -90 velocity webber + painter. Didn't give him a chance to orbit i guess. Other times, I mean it's obviously based on how fast your web speed is. Punisher with an AB isn't going to do what a Inty + MWD while webbed can do.
If your punisher was 2k orbit around me and webbed with a AB on. Then your speeds would be around 100m/s if not slower depending on my elite webber. Should be able to hit you but if I couldn't. I would have the chance to move away from you being you wouldn't have webbed me. 300m/s vs 100 or less m/s = me getting in range. But like I said I use web + painter so your sig gets a nice boost to help even at 2k.
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2006.01.27 01:01:00 -
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Originally by: Reimbursement Dancer
What's the meaning of this post Malka?
You're afraid to fight people without the safety of your precious sentry guns...the only thing I learn from this thread 
If retardaton was money your name would be Bill Gates.
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
I'm probably one of the biggest Bush fanboys in Eve...
This is like, Darth Vader, can't-reach-climax-without-killing-a-puppy evil.
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proselytizer
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Posted - 2006.01.27 05:30:00 -
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Originally by: Malka Badi'a
sebskywalker
lmfao, always worth a laugh when in local
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SULAN BARHIR
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Posted - 2006.01.27 10:07:00 -
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Originally by: Reimbursement Dancer
What's the meaning of this post Malka?
You're afraid to fight people without the safety of your precious sentry guns...the only thing I learn from this thread
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Eveas Lag
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Posted - 2006.01.27 13:23:00 -
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Malka Badi'a
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