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Sal Landry
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Posted - 2013.10.13 07:25:00 -
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Scatim Helicon wrote: To be honest, I doubt most players particularly care about SOMER one way or another
I think (at least I hope) that the vast majority of Eve players are able to look at a lottery that sells twelve 100m tickets for a 1b ship and just say "lol no"
I don't hate Somer blink any more than I hate the average jita isk doubler, but that doesn't mean I give them money , or that I'm ok with CCP showering them with gifts at random |
Sal Landry
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Posted - 2013.10.13 15:02:00 -
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Rammix wrote: BTW I consider all ingame lotteries a scam. But scam is a part of gameplay, so I just didn't pay much attention to it.
All lotteries are scams, including ones IRL. They take in X amount of money from customers, and then give a fraction of it back. The difference being with IRL lotteries is that they're regulated. I've heard that new Blink accounts tend to win isk more easily when they first start in order to get them hooked. Is this true? Maybe, maybe not. In an IRL lottery that would be strictly illegal.
Likewise, there isn't a single person in all of Eve that can provide proof that Somer and his crew don't randomly insert their own alts into the lotto process if they choose to and make sure they come out with the winnings.
Nevertheless despite the total lack of oversight we have CCP employees coming out and officially vouching for their trustworthiness, telling everyone that "Somer has for years delivered on every blink, bonk, and whatever other stupid terms they use" all the while reading like bought and paid for advertisement. |
Sal Landry
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Posted - 2013.10.13 17:13:00 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:(and you can't do it with ISK, either).
You can if you're Somer and you bundle isk with GTC sales. People don't buy GTCs through Somer because the GTCs are different, it's because he sells packs of GTC+isk. |
Sal Landry
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Posted - 2013.10.15 12:56:00 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:I think that the length of time CCP is taking to respond, is an indication that they are talking all the relevant issues very seriously.
And I think they've decided to let this entire issue quietly die and never speak of it again, now that the post frequency about it has diminished. |
Sal Landry
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Posted - 2013.10.17 01:11:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote: And lets face it everyone knows how much I love Trebor.
That's the only explanation I can see for why you'd be satisfied with his response of basically "shut up and go away" |
Sal Landry
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Posted - 2013.10.17 01:36:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote: What I was saying was that he showed courage to actually face this crowd unlike others who are MIA or just post and run.
I'll agree there have certainly been worse CSM responses
Malcanis wrote: *sips mojito
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Sal Landry
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Posted - 2013.10.17 18:10:00 -
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Scatim Helicon wrote:Do we have an explanation yet for why it is that when anyone else is caught in RMT practises, they're immediately permabanned, but when CCP's chosen favourites Somer are found to be doing it, the response is to hold off a decision (and allow the RMT to continue in the meantime) whilst a lengthy consultation is conducted about whether Somer's chosen method of RMT is so bad after all?
I'd already decided to let this one remaining account lapse when this whole mess started but the more of this utter trainwreck unfolds before me the less inclined I feel to reverse that decision. Other RMTers operate independently and cut CCP out of the market, denying them possible plex sales the people needing isk might have bought. By basing his RMT through gametime sales SOMER is giving CCP a cut of the profits on every transaction.
banned RMTer = sent someone some isk somehow and got $ in his paypal account (or something. I'm not an RMTer so how would I know) Somer RMT = $ in CCP's wallet with every sale
What's going to happen is in a few months they'll release a EULA/TOS "clarification" to explicitly allow Somer's business model. Then they'll release a survey after this with no questions at all related to Somer's RMT, because if you disagree with them then you'll be in breach of EULA. The only survey questions will be like 'what cool things can CCP do with giveaways in the future' and have pretty much nothing related to the meat of the issue whatsoever.
I added one more month on both of my accounts when Guard made this thread because I was hoping for a resolution. THAT was my patience. My patience is certainly NOT waiting around for months only for CCP to eventually tell us to **** off anyway. |
Sal Landry
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Posted - 2013.10.17 19:01:00 -
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Argus Sorn wrote: As I pointed out elsewhere, the GTC RMT'ers may actually be taking cash from CCP because they are giving the buyer additional isk, outside of CCP's system for purchasing it. I don't know the actual numbers, but it is not outside the realm of possibility.
You see, I don't know if I buy into the idea that the 200M credit results in more sales of GTC globally. It may just result in more sales from certain sellers (the one's that give away isk along with the GTC). I think that people will be buying GTC's anyway and that in fact, when a seller gives them an additional 200M isk, they need to buy fewer GTC's.
Indeed, if the 200M was not allowed, it might actually allow more sellers to compete on equal grounds which would result in more exposure and perhaps even more sales.
It's possible I suppose, but without actual hard data you and I won't really be able to say for sure.
I remember when Incarna came out and people were horrified at the $70 monocle price tag. People came out and said how basically every microtransaction store on the planet makes more money from lower prices, 5 people buying something for $1 instead of 2 people buying it at $2. CCP's response was that the monocle was their top selling item, so obviously it was a good idea. The possibility that they could have made more money without the ******** pricing simply didn't make sense to them no matter how often it was pointed out.
So even if you're right and Somer either doesn't make them any more money, or even actively cuts out people buying plex because of the "free 200m" they get with each GTC purchase, CCP might still only see "SOMER Blink top GTC seller, SOMER good" |
Sal Landry
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Posted - 2013.10.17 21:40:00 -
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So now I guess all that remains is to figure out how those who aren't officially trusted and endorsed by CCP like Somer and DNSBlack can get in on this.
Oh well. It was fun while it lasted I suppose. |
Sal Landry
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Posted - 2013.10.18 16:14:00 -
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Argus Sorn wrote: The primary argument of the FTC RMT'ers have given to defend the validity of their practice is that CCP hasn't stopped it. And I have to say, I agree with them - unless CCP was ignorant of it then the fact that nothing has been done thus far to stop it basically amounts to approval.
Considering that there have been 3 separate endorsements of Somer by CCP (community spotlight, 5-of-a-kind Somer-branded SoE ships, and secret scorpions) that CCP might not have bothered to check what Somer actually does would be hilarious to me.
I'm not sure which would be worse, their blatant hypocrisy if they did know, or the gross incompetence of every single person involved if they didn't. |
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Sal Landry
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Posted - 2013.10.18 20:21:00 -
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Anya Klibor wrote:You would think CCP saying, "We sent everyone on vacation before this and it was a mistake" would be a good indication they had learned their lesson, and as such the entire group wouldn't be MIA again for this. It's an exercise in futility! But why should they have to say anything? CCP Guard told us to wait a few months and maybe they'll get back to us.
CCP damage control at its finest. |
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