JUSTK is considering a "don't goo the TESTies" policy, mainly because we love the idea of making them fly their pods 20+ jumps back to their staging systems.

You seem a little upset?

Also, please do hurry with all the structure grinding and other PvE. Im growing impatient waiting for my stacks of faction items and ships to start increasing in value!

There is a difference between not being familiar with low sec mechanics and being borderline mentally ********.

-When you warp in to their plex they very often just lay down and die.
-They manage to lose their ships to fits that they should hard-counter.
-They drift around in or outside of plexes for no apparent reason and when you burn for them they seem so surprised that they, again, just lay down and die.
-When in gangs they have a tendency to feed you their ships one by one rather than warp in as a group and actually fight.
-They seem at all times totally disorganized. I've seen people in my corp warp into whole gangs of them and come out alive with like 7-10 kills.
-They seem to have no way of distributing intel. You can camp gates that are vital to them for hours, be uncontested and continue to getting kills the entire time.

These and other things will get you killed in nullsec as well. They show that these pilots know very little about the game in general and have no PvP reflexes to speak of. I understand some of these guys are new to EVE and in that case a lot of these things can be forgiven and simply attributed to the fact that you don't learn EVE PvP over night. But there are loads that should know better.

So many words, when things are simple.

FW is still a broken mechanic and as such makes some things constant, ergo:

- Squids will reach tier 3/4, with test tier 5 is not unlikely. Its the way pendulum swings atm and its the natural course of things with current mechanics. Funny thing is - Test will take credit for this success even tho they will have nothing or very little to do with it in reality.

- Test will go through pretty much the same process all the other nullsec entities joining fw did - further bleeding of members, red killboards. Once they realize how bad they are at solo/small gang, they will do the only thing they know - blob all the time and bore us to death with their idiotic local spam. Some of their members will become really good soloers/small gang fighters and will leave for greener pastures. I doubt Test will brake up due to losses since as all the non dreddit corps that really care about 'success' (however you define it) are likely already out of test anyway.

- Consequently your average test member won't earn as much as he was promised initially nor will he learn about small scale pvp as much as he could if he was to join 'normal' fw corps, hence test won't fully succeed on any of their stated goals. Naturally, they will never admit this.

- They will make at least one headline on TMC with a corp theft of fw stuff and/or hauler derp/gank.

- Pendulum will continue to swing until CCP decides to take another look at fw, so for quite a while.

Frecking forums ate my post.

Anyway, my points were:

- I care about your 'culture' as much as you care about mine, basically - I don't give a damn. Whatever helps you cope with your losses is fine by me. Keep in mind though - there's a difference at stating "we're bad" but actually being quite successful (e.g. Goons) and just plain being bad.

- You're using FW to draw some new blood. Good. Doesn't change what I said.

- Test's influence on sov mechanics is limited and will continue to be such. Sov is mainly dictated by farming alts, what you guys did help with is busting iHubs. Had you joined FW at the time when Minnie war zone was highly in Minnie hands, you wouldn't make any significant gains. From that perspective, your timing was perfect.

- Pendulum is a metaphor for FW mechanics atm. If you want to know what's wrong with them (I'm sure you don't) search the forums for explanations.

Ouch, that gets expensive to pod yourself when in most cases in FW your pod costs more than the ship+T2 fittings even with 50% reduction and without implants.

TEST will fail at having any meaningful impact on the warzone and will just add their names to a long list of failed groups trying their hand at FW like Fweddit and nullsec groups like B2K that have all gotten dunked by the self-proclaimed best small gang pvpers of FW.

I predict it will only be a few months before TEST is back in nullsec and the Gallente will be able to claim victory.

I've been trying to read this whole thread but people are posting faster than I care to read so I'm just going to make my comment. When Nulli Secunda joined the Amarr side of FW last year, they said they would dominate, and would get T5 in 2 weeks, and minmatar militia would hide in our holes while they did it.

The reality of it was, 3 out of every 4 nulli ship that undocked was destroyed, it took them FIVE weeks instead of two to reach T4, not T5 they never got close, but T4, and they left with their anus widened and there foot in their mouth. I predict the same will happen on the Gal front with TEST. If you galmil people need help me know =p

People who talk about "Nenna by Christmas", how many systems they've flipped, and how far CalMil Tier control has advanced since TEST joined aren't the kind of folks only in it for fun and ISK. People in TEST talking about how you're biding your time, studying our fleet comps, preparing to move to better staging systems... not only in it for isk and fun.

You're a great forum troll, I'll give you that. But if you think we buy the "fun and ISK" spiel you're wrong. Unless you're spouting it now to cover TEST's inevitable failure as "didn't want that warzone control and Tier 4/5 anyway."

This is the biggest load of bullshit I have read in this ****** thread so far. In one breath you dont care about killboards or kills or lulz you are hear to make isk and blah blah blah. In the post above you are not in it for the isk your in it for the FUN YAY!! So what is it? What you are here for changes with whatever the last poster commented.

I assume ZheoTheFirst and ZheoTheSecond have biomassed after your alliances fail campaigns of the past. Looking forward to welcoming ZheoTheFourth soon ...

Are people posting seriously in this thread? That just isn't kosher.

Also, can someone rate my Leet FW PVP fit? I've been running it for a night now, and it tends to do well but I think it can be improved.

http://i.imgur.com/8oNXL9M.png

there is a saying in cycle racing:

"let your legs do the talking"

it means that if you wish to make a statement, you should do it with actions, not words. sound advice for both sides here.

Part 7

Zero-Point

GÇ£Thus that which is the most awful of evils, death, is nothing to us, since when we exist there is no death, and when there is death we do not exist.GÇ¥

Epicurus

No person should fear death. Fearing death is a logical fallacy.

ItGÇÖs like a mathematician fearing that a particular formula could erase all of the numbers. This is impossible since the numbers would always remain present; a particular formula might equal zero, but the numbers that created it would still be present, ready to repeat the formula once again.

Pi in the Sky

GÇ£I am incapable of conceiving infinity, and yet I do not accept finity.GÇ¥

Simone de Beauvoir

To illustrate my point I ask you to look briefly at the number Pi. Pi is an infinite stream of chaotically generated numbers. It has been suggested that within these numbers would be the atomic positions of every atom in your body. Every thought youGÇÖve ever had is contained, somewhere, within Pi. Indeed, so is every possible experience you might have.

You might say GÇ£So what? ItGÇÖs just numbers; itGÇÖs just math. ItGÇÖs not real experience.GÇ¥ Yet, your brain right now is just atomic particles moving from one position to another. Your conciousness can be reduced to pure math.

If the universe is infinite, we are destined to live out every possible experience through the infinite possibilities of time and space. We can never die. The atoms that form us may change, but they have shifted constantly throughout your life without destroying your consciousness.

The Mind as a Meme

GÇ£You can kill a man but you canGÇÖt kill an idea.GÇ¥

Medgar Evers

One question that arises when we consider the constant changes that occur within the physical structure of the brain is how our consciousness can remain so consistent, despite the constant shifting of the physical foundations. My answer is that the mind is a highly complex and multi-layered meme.

A meme is the conceptual equivalent of a gene. It is a concept that can be shared between conscious minds without losing its fundamental integrity; like complex religious beliefs, or the simple custom of shaking hands.

Memes tend to compete with each other for survival and are subject to the same laws of evolution as other forms of life. Memes have been shown to develop self-defensive adaptations with varying levels of internal intelligence. In fact, I assert that since memes are complex intelligent systems they are as valid a form of life as our own protein-based genes or the humans which they construct.

In The God Delusion Richard Dawkins describes how memetic concepts often survive the passage of time and the transition from person to person without losing their integrity. They achieve this by utilizing a kind of conceptual compression; a step-by-step mapping of their structure that eliminates less important details in favor of the core concepts.

The example that Dawkins gives is that when a carpenter teaches the technique for building a chair he describes a single step as GÇ£nail this hereGÇ¥, not GÇ£swing the hammer at thirty degrees and hammer five times.GÇ¥ These details are not important in achieving the goal; a goal which can be achieved despite many small changes whilst still producing an accurate recreation of a chair.

Our minds are the same in that they are memes kept alive by neurons that transfer their information from one generation to the next without losing fidelity. Even though the cellular and atomic structures of our brains are constantly changing, our meme-mind stays intact. Small details may change as the cells die and are replaced but the core integrity survives.

Your mind is a substrate-independent system. It is a consistent meme on an ever-changing ocean of cells and neurons.

An analogy would be if you recorded a time-lapse video of a tattoo on a personGÇÖs arm; it would seem to hover unchanged under the skin despite the skin cells that surround it dying and being replaced over time. Similarly, an image moving across a digital screen remains consistent despite being illuminated by different pixels as it moves.

Your mind was never intrinsically linked to a particular set of atoms or a particular location in space. Because it is a meme it can be recreated at a later date, out of different materials and in a different location.

Hello! I'm Jake, from State Farm

TEST's best and biggest FW pvp victory? This thread.

gf guys. You won this one.

JESUS "wearing"

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