Hmmm. One person got the point. Oh well.

I understand that Eve is not a game that can be won.

The point I'm trying to make, though, is that I have four accounts, and I've been playing for 2.5 years, and had never heard of a Cerebral Accelerator until CCP's advertising. I suppose that is my fault. But the impression I had/have is that you don't get a CA without paying extra. For a boxed set for instance.

Is that not true?

Maybe I should have stated that, to me, Pay To Win is when someone can pay RL cash for an advantage in the game.

If I'm not mistaken, Power Of Two costs more than a single subscription. Maybe I was looking in the wrong place, again, but it seemed to me that all of the deals that included CAs cost more than a normal subscription.

35 days is 35 days, but, if you know what you are doing, those 35 days can give a new player a huge step up. Good for player retention, which is a good thing, but what about the other players who start at the same time and don't end up with the same results?

For instance, I suspect that I'm not the only one in the world who had never heard of CAs before.

Maybe I should have stated that, to me, Pay To Win is when someone can pay RL cash for an advantage in the game.

If I'm not mistaken, Power Of Two costs more than a single subscription. Maybe I was looking in the wrong place, again, but it seemed to me that all of the deals that included CAs cost more than a normal subscription.

35 days is 35 days, but, if you know what you are doing, those 35 days can give a new player a huge step up. Good for player retention, which is a good thing, but what about the other players who start at the same time and don't end up with the same results?

For instance, I suspect that I'm not the only one in the world who had never heard of CAs before.

Maybe I should have stated that, to me, Pay To Win is when someone can pay RL cash for an advantage in the game.

If I'm not mistaken, Power Of Two costs more than a single subscription. Maybe I was looking in the wrong place, again, but it seemed to me that all of the deals that included CAs cost more than a normal subscription.

35 days is 35 days, but, if you know what you are doing, those 35 days can give a new player a huge step up. Good for player retention, which is a good thing, but what about the other players who start at the same time and don't end up with the same results?

For instance, I suspect that I'm not the only one in the world who had never heard of CAs before.

The reason why I ask is that limited duration aside Pay to Win means acquiring an item that gives an in game advantage with cash that cannot be obtained via other means in game.

By your logic paying for an extra account is paying to win.

I know what you are saying, but your definition of Pay to Win is slightly off.



Anyone can get these off contracts with ISK, that is not pay to win.

A character who is less than 35 days old can buy one if they are familiar with contracts. Sounds to me like it would be something someone would do for an alt.

BTW, a quick search of available contracts doesn't show any Cerebral Accelerators available . . . anywhere.

A character who is less than 35 days old can buy one if they are familiar with contracts. Sounds to me like it would be something someone would do for an alt.

BTW, a quick search of available contracts doesn't show any Cerebral Accelerators available . . . anywhere.

If they are available via contract, that voids any accusation of pay to win immediately. Anyone could get them for ISK in game if they wished (and could actually derive any benefit from it).

Silly argument to begin with.

I think many will agree that anything which reduces the time line of the learning curve for new players is a good thing, but CAs aren't available without a cash injection that many new players will be hesitant to make.

Also, where is this leading? Cerebral Accelerators that just run on and on and are available at the Nex store?

I also think many will agree that isn't something we want.

I thought they were tied to the account.

If they can be contracted then that's news to me.

By that logic anything sold through the NEX could not be P2W either.

@ Ranger1, unless there is some new way to convert ISK into Aurum, I still think you are missing the point.

@ Ranger1, unless there is some new way to convert ISK into Aurum, I still think you are missing the point.

And, if it is possible to contract Nex store items, it's news to me.

@ Ranger1, unless there is some new way to convert ISK into Aurum, I still think you are missing the point.

And, if it is possible to contract Nex store items, it's news to me.

I guess I'll quit 'whining' then.

I just love saying "I told you so", though.

How many month old characters do you know that can win Eve?

I just don't want to see CAs turn into a toehold for CCP to run PTW out of the Nex stores.

No. I haven't gotten over the Incarna debacle.

No. I don't trust CCP at all, or believe anything that they say.