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ACY GTMI
Veerhouven Group
The Veerhouven Group
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Posted - 2011.11.01 16:52:00 -
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I think many will agree that anything which reduces the time line of the learning curve for new players is a good thing, but CAs aren't available without a cash injection that many new players will be hesitant to make.
Also, where is this leading? Cerebral Accelerators that just run on and on and are available at the Nex store?
I also think many will agree that isn't something we want. |
Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
148
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Posted - 2011.11.01 16:55:00 -
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you arent likely to be winning much in the first 35 days of an account
get over yourself
it isnt leading anywhere, its just a friendly legs up for the first month of a toons life, god knows new players need all the help they can get. |
Twisted Alice
Twisted Universe
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Posted - 2011.11.01 16:55:00 -
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ACY GTMI wrote:I think many will agree that anything which reduces the time line of the learning curve for new players is a good thing, but CAs aren't available without a cash injection that many new players will be hesitant to make.
Also, where is this leading? Cerebral Accelerators that just run on and on and are available at the Nex store?
I also think many will agree that isn't something we want.
Pay to win, not at all.
It's only active for about 30 days (might be 35) and it can only be used on new accounts.
How many month old characters do you know that can win Eve? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.11.01 16:55:00 -
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No. Largely because nothing is won.
GÇöGÇöGÇö
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Hershman
G-Weezy
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Posted - 2011.11.01 16:55:00 -
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Isn't this only available for first 30 days of characters newly created?
I have a friend who got one with my buddy trial program, and he has been able to get into a Harbinger and is happy as ever because of it.
It's a good little perk... |
Rainus Max
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.11.01 16:56:00 -
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If I remember correctly you get a CA when you start a new char anyway and have done for a while. The only cash injection is moving off a trial account on to a fully paid account.
If you don't want to fork out for that then why are you looking at a subscription based game? |
Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
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Posted - 2011.11.01 16:56:00 -
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ACY GTMI wrote:I think many will agree
No 
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Serial Chi
Dust Bunnies 514
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Posted - 2011.11.01 16:56:00 -
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i thought they expired after a set amount of days?
who cares about those implants when you can just buy a character :/ |
Marie Hartinez
Aries Munitions and Defense
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Posted - 2011.11.01 16:59:00 -
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TBH, Cerebral Accelerators have been around for at least a year for new characters under 35 days of age.
The first time I remember seeing them was when they were available in a retail box edition sometime around when the Domination expansion was released, and probably a bit before then.
So if CCP was going to make them available to everyone without a time limit, I think they would have done it by now.
Surrender is still your slightly less painful option. |
MNagy
Yo-Mama
Quixotic Hegemony
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Posted - 2011.11.01 16:59:00 -
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I plan to buy another account and for the next 32 days I will conquer the whole eve universe.
I dont know what you are skilled in, but you must really suck at it if your worried about these new toons to crush you.
If giving someone a tiny bonus for the first month of play - im all for it.
Eve is a game that is a very steep complicated learning curve. The more you get a new player to 'play' in the start, the faster they will learn it and enjoy it.
Instead of losing all the customers that say 'this is too complicated' and never put in more than the first 5 hours worth.
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Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.11.01 16:59:00 -
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you all probably missed the speculation
Also, where is this leading? Cerebral Accelerators that just run on and on and are available at the Nex store?
And if that happens nothing is won, last time i checked implants are destroyed when your pod cease to exist. |
JC Anderson
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
70
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Posted - 2011.11.01 17:00:00 -
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Serial Chi wrote:i thought they expired after a set amount of days?
who cares about those implants when you can just buy a character :/
They only work for the first 30 days after the character is created, yes.
These have been in the game for awhile. They used to have them in the officer edition of the game alongside one of the special shuttles as well.
But those, just as the ones now, only work for 30 days.
And they cant be handed to an older character either. They work for the first 30 days after the character is created, and not for 30 days after you plug them in regardless of character age. |
Takamori Maruyama
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2011.11.01 17:00:00 -
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Pay to win?
Just training skills faster...
Not something that I would call pay to win, something to incentive to keep the players in the game, mostly of the new gang leave due because they are impatient and EVE requires A LOT of patience.
The Codex Astartes guides us....*someone poke and whisper something* Oh wrong scenario...WHERE IS MY GIANT AQUARIUM?! |
JC Anderson
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
70
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Posted - 2011.11.01 17:02:00 -
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Takamori Maruyama wrote:Pay to win?
Just training skills faster...
Not something that I would call pay to win, something to incentive to keep the players in the game, mostly of the new gang leave due because they are impatient and EVE requires A LOT of patience.
They also increase your rate of fire and damage.
But again, also only for first 30 (oops 35) days of the character. :P
Cerebral Accelerator
Cerebral Accelerator Cerebral accelerators are military-grade implants that significantly increase a new pilot's skill development. This technology is usually available only to naval officers, but CONCORD has authorized the release of a small number to particularly promising freelance capsuleers.
This implant primes the brain's neural pathways and hippocampus, making it much more receptive to intensive remapping. This allows new capsuleers to more rapidly absorb information of all kinds, and as a bonus also enhanced spatial processing abilities that are critical for weapons handling.
The only drawback to this implant is that capsuleer training renders it ineffective after a while; as such, it will cease to function for pilots who have been registered for more than 35 days.
Bonuses: +3 to all attributes; +20% Damage to Laser, Projectile and Hybrid weaponry; +20% Rate of Fire to Missile weaponry.
Cha Mod +3
Int Mod +3
Percept Mod +3
Will Mod +3
Mem Mod +3
Damage multiplier bonus +20%
Rate of fire bonus -20% |
ACY GTMI
Veerhouven Group
The Veerhouven Group
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Posted - 2011.11.01 17:09:00 -
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Hmmm. One person got the point. Oh well.
I understand that Eve is not a game that can be won.
The point I'm trying to make, though, is that I have four accounts, and I've been playing for 2.5 years, and had never heard of a Cerebral Accelerator until CCP's advertising. I suppose that is my fault. But the impression I had/have is that you don't get a CA without paying extra. For a boxed set for instance.
Is that not true? |
Twisted Alice
Twisted Universe
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Posted - 2011.11.01 17:09:00 -
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JC Anderson wrote:
Cha Mod +3
Int Mod +3
Percept Mod +3
Will Mod +3
Mem Mod +3
Damage multiplier bonus +20%
Rate of fire bonus -20%
Rate of fire bonus only works on missiles, damage bonus only with turrets. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
1106
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Posted - 2011.11.01 17:11:00 -
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Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:Also, where is this leading?
Higher new player retention.
GÇöGÇöGÇö
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
GÇö Karath Piki-á |
RaTTuS
BIG
Gentlemen's Agreement
132
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Posted - 2011.11.01 17:11:00 -
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they used to be given out with some box sets - they accelerator only works until the character is 35days old,
so you can plug it in ,
train cyber 1
plug in +3's
and have effective +6 for that time - as long as you know what your training it is useful....
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.11.01 17:12:00 -
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You know, you're like a year and a half late on complaining about this. |
Twisted Alice
Twisted Universe
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Posted - 2011.11.01 17:12:00 -
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ACY GTMI wrote:Hmmm. One person got the point. Oh well.
I understand that Eve is not a game that can be won.
The point I'm trying to make, though, is that I have four accounts, and I've been playing for 2.5 years, and had never heard of a Cerebral Accelerator until CCP's advertising. I suppose that is my fault. But the impression I had/have is that you don't get a CA without paying extra. For a boxed set for instance.
Is that not true?
That's not true any longer.
They also give them with the new account you start if you take up the power of 2 off.
Plus I believe they are now giving them to any new paid account. |
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JC Anderson
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
70
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Posted - 2011.11.01 17:13:00 -
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ACY GTMI wrote:Hmmm. One person got the point. Oh well.
I understand that Eve is not a game that can be won.
The point I'm trying to make, though, is that I have four accounts, and I've been playing for 2.5 years, and had never heard of a Cerebral Accelerator until CCP's advertising. I suppose that is my fault. But the impression I had/have is that you don't get a CA without paying extra. For a boxed set for instance.
Is that not true?
Its true.. But its all about player retention as Tippia said.
And since they don't work on characters that have been registered for more than 35 days, I really don't see it as that big of a deal.
Twisted Alice wrote:Rate of fire bonus only works on missiles, damage bonus only with turrets.
TY
Back when I created this character, there was no training acceleration for new toons. But I know that it started afterwards...
I think new toons trained at like 200% or something for the first 1mil sp or something like that?
Anyhow didn't they take that away? If so the accelerator going to all new accounts (as somebody suggested above) could just be a way to replace that. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
184
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Posted - 2011.11.01 17:17:00 -
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I can't check at the moment... somebody remind me, can these be sold on the open market?
To kill the enemy and break their toys!
It's not so much a mission statement,-áit's more like a family motto. |
luZk
Jaegerkorpset
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Posted - 2011.11.01 17:17:00 -
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"Does Anyone Else See Cerebral Accelerators As Pay To Win?"
No. |
Lord Ryan
True Xero
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Posted - 2011.11.01 17:17:00 -
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Nope and this thing has been around for awhile, over a year. Came with the Eve Online: Commissioned Officer Edition, replaced the EVE Online: Special Edition GTC/Shuttle bonus item. A rip if you ask me.
I want to fly a badass Mon Calamari stlye-ácruiser painted to match my Tron clothes. |
Apollo Gabriel
Mercatoris
Etherium Cartel
122
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Posted - 2011.11.01 17:18:00 -
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NO.
New Player "boost"
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=243993#post243993
Mining + War Decks = yummy!
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=25608&find=unread |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
184
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Posted - 2011.11.01 17:19:00 -
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Wow, multiple simultaneous posts. 
Seriously, can someone check and see if these can be sold on the market like other implants?
To kill the enemy and break their toys!
It's not so much a mission statement,-áit's more like a family motto. |
Lord Ryan
True Xero
71
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Posted - 2011.11.01 17:23:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Wow, multiple simultaneous posts. Seriously, can someone check and see if these can be sold on the market like other implants?
I've seen one in contract, awhile back. Doubt open market item. At work and can't login, only posting so you know we are not ignoring you. Come give dady a hug.
I want to fly a badass Mon Calamari stlye-ácruiser painted to match my Tron clothes. |
Demon View
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.11.01 17:25:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:I can't check at the moment... somebody remind me, can these be sold on the open market?
Nope. Contracts. And they go by character age, not account age. So the old plan was: create a new character, queue up cyber IV, fly to Jita, plug in accelerator and then +4s after training. For completely new players who aren't told what to do, realistically the +3s fill the exact same purpose as the damage bonus: to be there right until you have the skill/wherewithal to have those bonuses without the accelerator anymore. So they're intended to smooth out the start, although they give others a running start. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
184
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Posted - 2011.11.01 17:27:00 -
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Thanks.
The reason why I ask is that limited duration aside Pay to Win means acquiring and item that gives an in game advantage with cash that cannot be obtained via other means in game.
If they are available via contract, that voids any accusation of pay to win immediately. Anyone could get them for ISK in game if they wished (and could actually derive any benefit from it).
Silly arguement to begin with.
To kill the enemy and break their toys!
It's not so much a mission statement,-áit's more like a family motto. |
ACY GTMI
Veerhouven Group
The Veerhouven Group
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Posted - 2011.11.01 17:33:00 -
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Maybe I should have stated that, to me, Pay To Win is when someone can pay RL cash for an advantage in the game.
If I'm not mistaken, Power Of Two costs more than a single subscription. Maybe I was looking in the wrong place, again, but it seemed to me that all of the deals that included CAs cost more than a normal subscription.
35 days is 35 days, but, if you know what you are doing, those 35 days can give a new player a huge step up. Good for player retention, which is a good thing, but what about the other players who start at the same time and don't end up with the same results?
For instance, I suspect that I'm not the only one in the world who had never heard of CAs before. |
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