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Sura Sadiva
Entropic Tactical Crew
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Posted - 2013.10.14 13:50:00 -
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Rykki Atruin wrote: We announced in local that we were noobs and wouldn't leave until we had seen some action. Our fleet comp was known to the locals (and commented on). Guess who showed up to fight us? A group of HACs. Seriously. A group of HACs showed up to fight three newbs in t1 frigates.
Come in FW low-sec, enter a plex and use it as filter for ship-type; also, you can see who is entering, so if somoene is bringing unreasonable numbers you have plenty of time to decide if accepting the engagment or warp away.
But if some stranger come in local yelling "we're a group of noobs in frigate wanting to figth, warp at planet 3" maybe people think is some kind of trap; and bring HACs, just in case :)
Also consider the "tourist factor": it's like a group of tourists venturing for some thrill in the Bronx or similar and yelling to the residents "Warriors, come out to play-i-ay" |
Samillian
Angry Mustellid
344
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Posted - 2013.10.14 13:56:00 -
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Rykki Atruin wrote:Do you want to know why we don't go to low sec?
Because no one there wants a 'good fight.' I organized a frigate fleet to introduce some of our newbs to PvP. We knew we would lose our ships. It was actually our goal. No one in fleet was allowed to return to high sec in the frigate they brought. We announced in local that we were noobs and wouldn't leave until we had seen some action. Our fleet comp was known to the locals (and commented on). Guess who showed up to fight us? A group of HACs. Seriously. A group of HACs showed up to fight three newbs in t1 frigates.
Was it fun for those who live in low sec to welp on T1 frigs in HACs? It wasn't fun for us to die before we even got into range to shoot at anyone.
We came back in cruisers and no one engaged us. Seriously. I sat 25km off station in my T1 cruiser and *no one* engaged. Much to my dismay I left back to high sec in my cruiser.
I get that everyone likes to win, but no one likes to lose *all the time no matter what they bring!* If someone (with obviously more SP and T2 guns) had come out to engage us in a T1 frigate we *all* would have had more fun (and 99% chance they would have won)... but that's not what happened.
TL;DR
No one goes to low sec because no one in low sec is willing to have actual 'good fights' and engage new players to PvP in a way that makes it fun for the new player (i.e. bringing HACs out to fight T1 frigates)
Did it occur to you that this group of HAC's may well have had nothing to do with the locals and was either on the way out or on the way back from a roam and you just happened to be targets of opportunity on the route?
As to sitting 25km off a station and waiting to be engaged all I've got to say is that acting like obvious bait and expecting someone to engage you with station guns against them as well as the possibility that you have friendlies waiting to join the fun isn't going to happen.
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Commander Ted
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
893
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Posted - 2013.10.14 14:37:00 -
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PvP stands for Player vs People
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=174097 Separate all 4 empires in eve with lowsec. |
Tilly Delnero
Licorne Ventures Ltd.
68
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Posted - 2013.10.14 15:48:00 -
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Posting in another 'Let's nerf highsec in an attempt to buff lowsec but not really because I have no original ideas but really let's annoy those ebil carebears because they're all obviously BOTS trololol' thread.
Where did I put my popcorn? |
Rykki Atruin
IPC Logistics
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Posted - 2013.10.14 15:50:00 -
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Sura Sadiva wrote:Come in FW low-sec, enter a plex and use it as filter for ship-type; also, you can see who is entering, so if somoene is bringing unreasonable numbers you have plenty of time to decide if accepting the engagment or warp away.
But if some stranger come in local yelling "we're a group of noobs in frigate wanting to figth, warp at planet 3" maybe people think is some kind of trap; and bring HACs, just in case :)
Also consider the "tourist factor": it's like a group of tourists venturing for some thrill in the Bronx or similar and yelling to the residents "Warriors, come out to play-i-ay"
Do you need to be in FW to use FW complexes? Also, I have no experience in FW low sec and no idea about the game mechanics there...
*decides to read up on FW*
I also hadn't though about the 'tourist' factor, but with as much complaining I see on the forums about lack of targets I would imagine anyone new coming into low sec would be appreciated.
Samillian wrote:Did it occur to you that this group of HAC's may well have had nothing to do with the locals and was either on the way out or on the way back from a roam and you just happened to be targets of opportunity on the route?
As to sitting 25km off a station and waiting to be engaged all I've got to say is that acting like obvious bait and expecting someone to engage you solo with station guns against them as well as the possibility that you have friendlies waiting to join the fun isn't going to happen.
I hadn't even thought about the station guns! I stayed off station so that they knew I couldn't just dock up the second someone showed up. One of my corpmates had to go AFK and was docked up, which is why I was hanging around the station anyway.
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Bischopt
Arbitrary Repossession
251
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Posted - 2013.10.14 16:04:00 -
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Rykki Atruin wrote:Do you want to know why we don't go to low sec?
Because no one there wants a 'good fight.' I organized a frigate fleet to introduce some of our newbs to PvP. We knew we would lose our ships. It was actually our goal. No one in fleet was allowed to return to high sec in the frigate they brought. We announced in local that we were noobs and wouldn't leave until we had seen some action. Our fleet comp was known to the locals (and commented on). Guess who showed up to fight us? A group of HACs. Seriously. A group of HACs showed up to fight three newbs in t1 frigates.
Was it fun for those who live in low sec to welp on T1 frigs in HACs? It wasn't fun for us to die before we even got into range to shoot at anyone.
We came back in cruisers and no one engaged us. Seriously. I sat 25km off station in my T1 cruiser and *no one* engaged. Much to my dismay I left back to high sec in my cruiser.
I get that everyone likes to win, but no one likes to lose *all the time no matter what they bring!* If someone (with obviously more SP and T2 guns) had come out to engage us in a T1 frigate we *all* would have had more fun (and 99% chance they would have won)... but that's not what happened.
TL;DR
No one goes to low sec because no one in low sec is willing to have actual 'good fights' and engage new players to PvP in a way that makes it fun for the new player (i.e. bringing HACs out to fight T1 frigates)
Making yourself an obvious and easy target isn't generally a good idea. People looking for kills rather than a good fight will take advantage of the situation.
Since this is not really related to the topic I'll keep it short, but I've found newbies tend to avoid fights in lowsec even if they have superior numbers. Recently I ran into a group of 9-10 players who were all either new(ish) to eve or pvp. I was flying an imperial navy slicer, they were flying t1 frigates with at least one slicer with them, and still I really had to bait them to make the fight happen.
For me it was very much a good fight since they all came after me, I lived and got 5 (including who I think was their FC) kills out of it. Not sure how they saw it but it was fair enough and a lot of fun.
The point is, you can get "good fights", they're just usually not that obvious. In this case it was 9v1 but I had all the experience while they had none. To be fair, the FC seemed to know what he was doing but he was in a merlin and thus much slower than me. |
Sura Sadiva
Entropic Tactical Crew
635
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Posted - 2013.10.14 16:11:00 -
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Rykki Atruin wrote:
Do you need to be in FW to use FW complexes? Also, I have no experience in FW low sec and no idea about the game mechanics there...
*decides to read up on FW*
I also hadn't though about the 'tourist' factor, but with as much complaining I see on the forums about lack of targets I would imagine anyone new coming into low sec would be appreciated.
No, you don't need to be in FW to enter a plex. it's common to use them just as a ship type "filter" also for people not in FW.
Low-sec is very good for small gang/solo/casual PvP. I don't see so many people compleining about the lack of targets or fights. The ones complaining are generally high-seccer sating "you LS residents need more targets in LS, you need to incentive us to move there". But LS residents are generally fine and happly shootting one each other :)
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Aglais
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
417
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Posted - 2013.10.14 19:25:00 -
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Extremely draconian ideals of what should happen to people who fight in highsec? Confirmed.
Nonsensical redefinement of what lowsec is? Confirmed.
Extreme punishment of people who choose to PvP in lowsec, lasting for an unreal amount of time? Confirmed.
Removal of one module that is VITAL to PvP in areas where PvP can still legitimately happen for non-ganking? Confirmed.
Smug comment rounding off the end of OP's post? Confirmed.
I'm sorry but I immediately have to assume that someone has been ganking you endlessly. In addition- you mention nothing about war mechanics. Will warp disruptors still be allowed to work on wartargets? Or are they just completely banned, so that if a war target appears, any and all aggressors will have to undertake the freighter-gank method for actually getting kills, and just throwing away their ships AND pods due to CONCORD, making the victim the 'winner' of every fight? Or is your suggestion just "well hurr it's so easy you have to be stupid just take your wars to the new lowsec"? Because that doesn't make any sense. |
Rykki Atruin
IPC Logistics
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Posted - 2013.10.14 21:31:00 -
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Bischopt wrote:Some good advice and an awesome story about a 9v1 fight that she won
I guess I have some things to learn about how to pick up PvP engagements.
I would have been quite happy to have been in that fleet and would have considered you a worthy and honorable opponent!
Sura Sadiva wrote: Some useful information about low sec and factional warfare
Thanks! I'll have to check out FW sites then...
I guess what I read on the forums isn't what it's actually like in game... (go figure)
Introduce a PvP career agent tutorial + a PvP mission mechanic |
Katia Echerie
D4RK M00N RISING
Standing United.
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Posted - 2013.10.14 21:55:00 -
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Completely disagree with your idea. Its not the way to go.
Here's my thoughts:
First of all if the idea is to fix Low-Sec then changing mechanics in high-sec will do absolutely nothing.
Instead, what has to be done is provide low-sec with content unavailable anywhere else.
Currently we have faction warfare in low-sec which to be frank is a very good way to get PvP fights for solo and small gangs. It is however still broken in its current state and could use another round of improvements. That content however isn't for everyone.
As many have said, PvE in low-sec is pretty poor. It will take a lot of scanning to find something worth killing and exploring. Even then you are probably better off running level 4s (that is if you are trying to make ISK). What I would propose is that there should be some different kind of PVE that can't be found anywhere else. Perhaps having incursion style rats with large bounties in all of low-sec is the solution. Rats that you would have to use PvP style fits to kill. In order to balance them versus null-sec, having them pay out LP instead of ISK might prove an interesting alternative. It is my opinion that the rewards for living in null and low-sec should be of similar monetary magnitude but differ in task. I would almost consider low-sec to be MORE dangerous than null sec. Hence, that is the problem of low-sec. There is very little reward to being there unless you are there to blow up other people. |
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