no. points are not what keep people out of lowsec.
This idea will just turn 0.6 and 0.5 into wastelands ...

-- Suicide gankers don't care about their pods (hint: they are "empty" clones).

-- every single carebear will retreat to 0.7 or higher space... because any risk is completely unacceptable to them.

-- pirates and outlaws will love the extra space to gank hapless people than travel through these systems.

I beg to differ. It's not that players are risk-averse, but they are suicide-averse.

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Ol' Fluffers beat me to it. They are, in fact, very much risk-averse.

There's also the massive problem that banning warp disruptors and scramblers in highsec would greatly mess with legitimate wars going on in high sec.

Not sure I agree. Just going into low-sec is unfavorable from the outset, yet players still do it.

The reason some players prefer to call low-sec home is because of of points 1 and 2. We enjoy the "chaos" of low-sec.

Why do you think giving players the ability to escape any and all engagements will increase PvP?

High-sec PvE is not a substitute for eventual PvP in low or null-sec. Neither are limited engagement "duels". Limited high-sec PvP would allow players to learn some of the inherent skills required for low-sec without all of the associated risk. And it does drive the bots and AFK miners out of 0.5 and 0.6 systems, so how could anyone really object to that? If they're AFK, they deserve to be preyed upon (regardless of system status).

What your idea does is give players who want to engage others (whether by choice or otherwise) a larger area than before to apply their specialties (mostly ganking) without penalty (because "professional" outlaws never go to high-sec)... meanwhile forcing those who choose to avoid that kind of risk less space to play with.

Mind you... I'm an outlaw. I enjoy PvP. I live in low-sec full time. I make my money there. I love the chaos and uncertainty that low-sec has to offer both to myself and my adversaries. But I also respect people's playstyles (within reason). That's why I'm saying "no" to this idea.

Yes, but I wouldn't exactly say "without penalty". Not being able to warp jam someone does remove one element associated with successful ganking activity.

This is an initial draft proposal, and I'm sure some aspects would need to be refined to prevent abuse. Being a low-sec player though, are you sure you're being entirely objective here? After all, it does stand to reason that 0.5-0.6 systems could become more popular than low-sec for PvP.

Is it the idea you dislike on principal or the undertones that this could seriously dent or impact your livelihood in low-sec?

Principle. If there isn't a pressing need or vastly better solution to change core mechanics then there is no need to change them. Balance is key.

Gee, thanks for sharing some constructive feedback.

Fair enough. I guess if the consensus is that the core game mechanics are fine, then those that live in low-sec should be content with the diminishing amount of player traffic into those regions. If it weren't for Faction Warfare, I'm not sure low-sec would be all but deserted...

Sorry.. Uhm.. 0/10.. Don't be so bad?

The problem lies with the extremes in player habits. And it's a no-win situation unless you are willing to incur the wrath of a portion of the playerbase.

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At some point if EVE wants to truly evolve and open itself up to a larger player base, a little revolution is in order.

OP do you even PVP?

I was wonder this same thing!


OP: If you take away warp disruption, you essentially reduce all combat to "gank" tactics in said situation. In general, a solo or small gang can't possibly bring down even a cruiser sized target before it warps. In order for combat to be effective in this new area, you would need gangs that can moreless alpha ships off field. This implies more 1 vs Many situations, less small-engageable gang PvP, and little solo PvP within your zone. That's not the type of PvP I personally want to promote, so I hope to God CCP doesn't implement this idea!

There's a reason most players don't venture into low-sec.

GÇó BAN the use of warp disruptors and scramblers in High-sec space.

Yes, CONCORD will now POD you.

There's a reason most players don't venture into low-sec. It's not because of local, it's not because of AFK cloakers - it's not even because of the roving gangs and gate camps. It's because nearly every ship is outfitted with a warp disruptor or scrambler. This is why we can't have nice things, or at least venture outside of high-sec with them. But low-sec is a mixed bag of snakes, and it's kind of an introduction to null-sec - so we're not going to touch on that today.

Instead, this is the main proposal I'm putting forward:
GÇó BAN the use of warp disruptors and scramblers in High-sec space.
GÇó Eliminate CONCORD from 0.5 and 0.6 systems (this is where all the really profitable high-sec mission and mining happens anyway).
GÇó A new "black flag" timer (pirate) that lasts 24 hours for any non-suspect/criminal/pirate ship kills in high-sec (0.5-1.0). Pirate flags would function somewhat differently than criminal flags in that gate guns, station guns and CONCORD (where applicable) would fire on you (in or out of a pod). Yes, CONCORD will now POD you.

While this will translate into fewer ganks in high-sec (oh, perish the thought!), there will be a lot more PvP combat and engagements in 0.5-0.6 systems And just because you're not warp jammed isn't any guarantee that you're going to be able to successfully extricate yourself, either. It also means that if you want to make an a** of yourself in high-sec by ganking or preying on unsuspecting players, you're more than welcome to do so. Just expect to be leaving sans pod or making alternate travel arrangements if you decide to ***** in on the killmail.

0.5-0.6 missions and mining will potentially be less profitable if there's an inherent risk of having to choose between your ship and your valuable cargo or salvage. As it should be. AFK miners and bots can continue to plague high-sec, they'll just have to limit themselves to 0.7-1.0 systems for any assurance of safety.
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Addenum: If you don't like the idea, fine - take your petty comments elsewhere. If you think there's some merit in the concept but disagree with some aspects/implementation and have constructive suggestions, I'm all ears.

We announced in local that we were noobs and wouldn't leave until we had seen some action. Our fleet comp was known to the locals (and commented on). Guess who showed up to fight us? A group of HACs. Seriously. A group of HACs showed up to fight three newbs in t1 frigates.

Do you want to know why we don't go to low sec?

Because no one there wants a 'good fight.' I organized a frigate fleet to introduce some of our newbs to PvP. We knew we would lose our ships. It was actually our goal. No one in fleet was allowed to return to high sec in the frigate they brought. We announced in local that we were noobs and wouldn't leave until we had seen some action. Our fleet comp was known to the locals (and commented on). Guess who showed up to fight us? A group of HACs. Seriously. A group of HACs showed up to fight three newbs in t1 frigates.

Was it fun for those who live in low sec to welp on T1 frigs in HACs? It wasn't fun for us to die before we even got into range to shoot at anyone.

We came back in cruisers and no one engaged us. Seriously. I sat 25km off station in my T1 cruiser and *no one* engaged. Much to my dismay I left back to high sec in my cruiser.

I get that everyone likes to win, but no one likes to lose *all the time no matter what they bring!* If someone (with obviously more SP and T2 guns) had come out to engage us in a T1 frigate we *all* would have had more fun (and 99% chance they would have won)... but that's not what happened.

TL;DR
No one goes to low sec because no one in low sec is willing to have actual 'good fights' and engage new players to PvP in a way that makes it fun for the new player (i.e. bringing HACs out to fight T1 frigates)

Come in FW low-sec, enter a plex and use it as filter for ship-type; also, you can see who is entering, so if somoene is bringing unreasonable numbers you have plenty of time to decide if accepting the engagment or warp away.

But if some stranger come in local yelling "we're a group of noobs in frigate wanting to figth, warp at planet 3" maybe people think is some kind of trap; and bring HACs, just in case :)


Also consider the "tourist factor": it's like a group of tourists venturing for some thrill in the Bronx or similar and yelling to the residents "Warriors, come out to play-i-ay"

Did it occur to you that this group of HAC's may well have had nothing to do with the locals and was either on the way out or on the way back from a roam and you just happened to be targets of opportunity on the route?

As to sitting 25km off a station and waiting to be engaged all I've got to say is that acting like obvious bait and expecting someone to engage you solo with station guns against them as well as the possibility that you have friendlies waiting to join the fun isn't going to happen.

Do you want to know why we don't go to low sec?

Because no one there wants a 'good fight.' I organized a frigate fleet to introduce some of our newbs to PvP. We knew we would lose our ships. It was actually our goal. No one in fleet was allowed to return to high sec in the frigate they brought. We announced in local that we were noobs and wouldn't leave until we had seen some action. Our fleet comp was known to the locals (and commented on). Guess who showed up to fight us? A group of HACs. Seriously. A group of HACs showed up to fight three newbs in t1 frigates.

Was it fun for those who live in low sec to welp on T1 frigs in HACs? It wasn't fun for us to die before we even got into range to shoot at anyone.

We came back in cruisers and no one engaged us. Seriously. I sat 25km off station in my T1 cruiser and *no one* engaged. Much to my dismay I left back to high sec in my cruiser.

I get that everyone likes to win, but no one likes to lose *all the time no matter what they bring!* If someone (with obviously more SP and T2 guns) had come out to engage us in a T1 frigate we *all* would have had more fun (and 99% chance they would have won)... but that's not what happened.

TL;DR
No one goes to low sec because no one in low sec is willing to have actual 'good fights' and engage new players to PvP in a way that makes it fun for the new player (i.e. bringing HACs out to fight T1 frigates)

Do you need to be in FW to use FW complexes? Also, I have no experience in FW low sec and no idea about the game mechanics there...

*decides to read up on FW*

I also hadn't though about the 'tourist' factor, but with as much complaining I see on the forums about lack of targets I would imagine anyone new coming into low sec would be appreciated.

Some good advice and an awesome story about a 9v1 fight that she won

Some useful information about low sec and factional warfare