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zyphentits	Posted - 2006.01.27 22:18:00 - [1] Edited by: zyphen*** on 27/01/2006 22:18:46* You might want to get comfortable because you are about to be told one amazing story. It's a story about The Top 5 Dishonorable Cowards in =EvE= History. Now before I go into the story, here are the 5 Dishonorable Cowards story Corp: Unauthorised Now first things first IÆm not here to complain we a cry baby or get upset, IÆam also not here to get help or aid. I am only here to tell one unbelievable story. I started the corp Sector-7 to help new players who joined eve to learn this great game with learning skills, mining and how to use the market etc. We are all members under 1 mill skill points and are just working together in a new corp to have fun in safe empire space. We were a fairly big corp 100 members and we would mine veldspar and omber and trying learning how to make ships etc just what new players do. Then one day we get declared war upon so I msg the corp leader (Kyle Caldrel) Why a 0.0 player corp would declared war on a corp who who all pretty much just finished the biggining tutorials of this game. I asked him why they declared war on us since we were a corp of teaching new players learning mining and npc missions etc. He didnÆt give me a straight answer right away until an hour later then he told me we were mining in his belt. Now these guys have 0.0 experience battleships and assault ships and they are telling us we canÆt mine veldspace in empire space so I asked again a day later when they are killing us over and over, our corp members canÆt even go and buy civilian equipment for there frigs etc more why they took us to war. He then tells me a person in our corp was talking smack to him, but that was not it either since this person wasnÆt online at all during the time of the offence. And this person also never even talked to (Kyle Caldrel) befire the war started Either way say we did mine where he so called was his asteroids in empire space veld materials or either way if one of our guys talked smack to him it still didnÆt add up to why they took us to war. A few days pass as they kill us over and over and work very hard to kill us all and camp us in at stations while they kill us in there assault ships and battle ships and we just sit and die in cruisers frigs and badgers. None of us have battleships and none of us even fight back. 26 people left the corp and out of those 26 people 5 left the game for good dew to the bad experience of the whole game. I also canceled my account dew to this but one thing stayed with me and I think you the reader reading this right now also wonders why Now this is where things get interesting. Because even say we mined all his veldspare and one of our guys did talk smack to them etc The real questions is and this is the questions I stayed in the game isà What was the real reason they took us to warà.well I am about to tell you my good friend. Again keep in mind I am leaving this game IÆm not here to wine or want aid. I search around and talked to many people and I found that these guys dailyhazard Keot GLok Kyle Caldrel Bocabi Actually have a long history of attacking noob corps that are totally new to the game under 1 mill sp and the scary part is they actually enjoy this. I been killed by pirates and I have nothing against pirates for doing this, but these guys dedicate themselves to ruining the EvE community of new players who are only and I mean only trying to learn and enjoy the game. Most of them canÆt even kill npcÆs in .4 or under space !!!!!!! I want to tell the community about these 5 guys who actually think they are cool great talented players because they can attacked a corp who is no where near there league what so ever! This ends my story, I hope thi
PoliceShip	Posted - 2006.01.27 22:20:00 - [2] Edited by: PoliceShip on 27/01/2006 22:21:02 wow...
pshepherd	Posted - 2006.01.27 22:21:00 - [3] welcome to eve. Your only options are: to fight back (and most likely loose) To keep moving around so they can't find you To make another corp, or join a newbie one ============== This is a sig
zyphentits	Posted - 2006.01.27 22:21:00 - [4] This ends my story, I hope this forum helps others because we are not the only corp to totally disappear because of this and we are also not the only members who have left the game to such a degree of hate these 5 guys have towards ruining the EvE community. Thank You
Pride NL	Posted - 2006.01.27 22:27:00 - [5] I at least expected Ginger to be among the top5...........
Atom HeartMother	Posted - 2006.01.27 22:32:00 - [6] Originally by: Pride NL I at least expected Ginger to be among the top5........... mind reader
Shin Ra	Posted - 2006.01.27 22:34:00 - [7] Wow what a cowardly act indeed. This is the first kind of dishonourable tactics I've ever seen. Please contact myself in-game and perhaps I can help you in your struggle.
RavenL0rd	Posted - 2006.01.27 22:35:00 - [8] You were hiding weapons of mass destruction
Grimwalius d'Antan	Posted - 2006.01.27 22:38:00 - [9] Hahaha, you thought this game was something it wasn't. Seriously though, this is Eve, but it can be dealt with. Breaking forum rules is not a way to deal with it. Quitting is an alternative, but it is the worst and it only shows that the quitter is not fit for Eve to begin with. This being said however, I do not think these guys are cool or anything. Still, I don't think newbies deserve a PVP free game. The game was designed this way for a reason: So that it CAN happen. If this was an unwanted effect, war decs would have been changed to prevent it. I would like you to clarify why this is "dishonorable". They are playing by the rules, you have the same options as anyone else. This is like saying someone is driving too fast when in fact it is just you doing 50kph on a 90kph road.
Malena Panic	Posted - 2006.01.27 22:38:00 - [10] Originally by: pshepherd welcome to eve. Your only options are: to fight back (and most likely loose) To keep moving around so they can't find you To make another corp, or join a newbie one 4. To 'out' the cowards on the Eve-Online forum in the hopes that honorable players who encounter them will put them in their place.
Insane Asylum	Posted - 2006.01.27 22:42:00 - [11] The last part of your name is **** I am Trey Azagthoth's alt, and I approve this message.
Myrhh	Posted - 2006.01.27 22:45:00 - [12] Originally by: Grimwalius d'Antan This is like saying someone is driving too fast when in fact it is just you doing 50kph on a 90kph road. New drivers have L plates which entitles them to some consideration and forebearance from experienced drivers. Its not about pvp or nerfing the game its about courtesy and if the war dec rules don't pdiscourage it maybe they should. And before the flames begin I pay the same euros as everbody else and it's my game as amuch as yours.
Graelyn	Posted - 2006.01.27 22:49:00 - [13] Wow, you have a lot of alts. Minister of Foreign Affairs - Aegis Militia Fleet Admiral/CEO - The Aeternus Crusade
Cvuos	Posted - 2006.01.27 22:50:00 - [14] So any other empire war dec "pirates" out there, here's a nice corp to dec!
Sun Ra	Posted - 2006.01.27 22:50:00 - [15] lol Arcane Frankologies - 'plz stop guys it's xmas'
OrangeAfroMan	Posted - 2006.01.27 22:51:00 - [16] Since when was he on a 90kph road? The corp was in Empire, completely peacefully mining. It would be so funny to see your acct reset so you would have to start over again and get ganked time after time simply because somebody wants their e-peen size to increase. Acts like these are actually something CCP should be VERY interested in preventing, because they just lost 80 dollars per month. They chose the "50kph road" because thats where they belonged, and they knew it, however long time players decided to ruin it for them. Makes my blood boil.
KilROCK	Posted - 2006.01.27 22:55:00 - [17] Shin Ra they found your mining corp!!!! No seriously, haha. What a kiss on the ass for Daily Hail Ammo - Remove Speed penality!
Kyle Caldrel	Posted - 2006.01.27 22:57:00 - [18] \o/ tbh i havent used a bs nor have any of my corp mates in this war, we have also killed a considerable amount of battlecruisers and generally lots. Zyph your corp was unorganised and you never seemed to show your face, i havent seen you undock from mateber once. The considerable part of your corp has left after 34 hours of war you told everyone to leave corp as it was over. You gave up and you havent even shown your face. What about your other character zyph the apparent pirate? the one you tell your corp mates about with 30m sp, or is this just trying to sound good to all your young corp members? Your a alt corp you were probably trying to extort money from these guys, or have we foiled your plan? Zyph deal with what has happened and learn from your mistakes. Kyle Caldrel *******************************************************
dailyhazard	Posted - 2006.01.27 23:00:00 - [19] Yes you mined kyles veld in yulai? lol :D btw do you like our titles? i made them, there sexy. ------------------------------------------------ need a sig tbfh
robacz	Posted - 2006.01.27 23:10:00 - [20] Brave pirates killing newbies... Problem is that the whole system of war declaring is completly stupid and stops a lof of ppl from starting their own corporations. Let see, if you are in high sec space and attack someone, local authority will destroy your ship almost instantly. If you are in same space and say "I dont like these guys" (= delare war on them), you are free to kill them and local authority wont do anything even though other side doesnt agree with this war. Does this make any sense? War declaring fees are ludicrously low, so it means, once you start corporation, anyone can kill you anywhere. War declaration should be mutual, unless both sides agree with war, it shouldnt be legal to kill in high security space. It just doesnt make any sense. I would give one-side war declaration right only against corporation whose member previously attacked member(s) of war declaring corporation. Heh I bet PvPers are gonna flame me now.
GLok	Posted - 2006.01.27 23:10:00 - [21] Ok Zyph, maybe look at your own corp for once, they were not all noobs, nor were they all miners, we did have a few of your corp fight against us and we respect that. What we dont respect is you coming on here and shouting we are dishonorable, we arent if anything you are. Can i remind everyone we had war with this corp for 34 hours before they started falling apart, maybe if your corp structure was better and the communication you could have one. We are also playing by the rules, We also do not have a history of war deccing noob corps, i believe dailyhazard is the only one to do this and i know this as a rl freind of him that he fought the whole war by himself and the corp decided to stay docked after losing 8vs1(5 cruisers 3 frigs, against his cruiser) both daily, kyle and myself have also been in a good merc corp for a while where we have pvp'd against people of our own level. Thanks. ----------------------------------------------- Unauthorised. Member Public Channel: Unauthorised
Grimwalius d'Antan	Posted - 2006.01.27 23:20:00 - [22] Originally by: robacz War declaration should be mutual, unless both sides agree with war, it shouldnt be legal to kill in high security space. It just doesnt make any sense. I would give one-side war declaration right only against corporation whose member previously attacked member(s) of war declaring corporation. Again: Hahaha you thought Eve was some other game. Risk is the universal factor in the Eve core idea and design. High sec limits many risks, but it will NEVER be 100% risk free simply by game mechanics. Just because you're war declared doesn't mean you automatically explode the moment the war goes live. The difference now is that you gotta live your life like it is 0.0. You don't need guns to survive in 0.0. You don't need skills to survive in 0.0. All you need is a little bit of common sense and imagination. The tools are there for you to live 100% safe, especially in empire where there are no warp bubbles. But oh no! You can't sit around and let the game make money for you on your own terms while you watch TV! This clearly needs to be fixed!
Dr Smacktalk	Posted - 2006.01.27 23:23:00 - [23] Unauthorised Sounds like my kind of corp. risk free pvp and smacktalk. I will send my application so I can shoot new players in rookie ships all day and then post the kills on the killboard and compete for most rookie ships killed. does your corporation use teamspeak? and do you provide free ammo. I have a Dr. Degree in smackology.
Felcas	Posted - 2006.01.27 23:25:00 - [24] I have just one thing to say about all this... As another pilot stated and one of the Unauthorized member too... "not dishonorable just because they/we play the rules" You maybe playing by the rules or cheating, whatever...honor is not set by rules, honor is set by moral, ethic, principles and your actions! I dont know what really happened and I dont really care, I just wanted to make that clear. Not that I want this to be an absolute true but to make you think about it, or else lets just hide our coward actions behind that "rule shield". It is not a matter of right or wrong...this is a game, you do watever you want to do, especially those things you cant do in RL. But if you are a bad guy, if you want to "kick ill dog or homeless people" know how you will be know and accept that title for yourself, if you cant live with that, then just change your lifestyle, it is never late to do that. ___________________________________ I love trade - the market is my battlefield
Dr Smacktalk	Posted - 2006.01.27 23:33:00 - [25] Edited by: Dr Smacktalk on 27/01/2006 23:33:35 Kyle why did you kick me out of the channel. I am #1 in ganking noobs and smack. I will gank and smack down your victims then grab the Miner Is from the fallen ships and we can have a great laugh as they awake in a cloning bay after a good beatdown in morale. You wont regret it.
SPIONKOP	Posted - 2006.01.27 23:36:00 - [26] Originally by: robacz Brave pirates killing newbies... Problem is that the whole system of war declaring is completly stupid and stops a lof of ppl from starting their own corporations. Let see, if you are in high sec space and attack someone, local authority will destroy your ship almost instantly. If you are in same space and say "I dont like these guys" (= delare war on them), you are free to kill them and local authority wont do anything even though other side doesnt agree with this war. Does this make any sense? War declaring fees are ludicrously low, so it means, once you start corporation, anyone can kill you anywhere. War declaration should be mutual, unless both sides agree with war, it shouldnt be legal to kill in high security space. It just doesnt make any sense. I would give one-side war declaration right only against corporation whose member previously attacked member(s) of war declaring corporation. Heh I bet PvPers are gonna flame me now. What your saying does have some merit however it is open to exploit and "valid" wars would then be rendered usless as corps run to empire above 0.4 to escape from the war. These folks are simply bullys, the same type you find in every school play ground. Maybe thats where they came from, who knows. We must not forget this is a game with PVP in it. CCP could have taken the easy route and declared all PVP combat should be consenual but I don't think we would have a game as good or a popular as this and lets not forget Earth and Beyond. True some people just wont like PVP and find the game is not for them. They can avoid it by staying in a noob corp, joining a noob corp in times of war but at the end of the day maybe they should be playing a different game. This game is not for everyone and CCP did not design a game for everyone. Like or not, this game has PVP. Even noobs in noob corp can be shoot, the police are not their to stop that, they simply finish it.
robacz	Posted - 2006.01.27 23:37:00 - [27] Originally by: Grimwalius d'Antan Again: Hahaha you thought Eve was some other game. Risk is the universal factor in the Eve core idea and design. High sec limits many risks, but it will NEVER be 100% risk free simply by game mechanics. Well my point is, that CONCORD protection doesnt make much sense if all you have to do to avoid it, is to pay 1 Million and declare war. Why do local authority watch an act of murder () when its illegal in their space? Just becouse one-sided act of war declaration? Either remove CONCORD protection completly, or make it complete. Also there is another negative side-effect: ppl stay in noob corps... when you stay in NPC, no one can wardec you.
Electric Cucumber	Posted - 2006.01.27 23:59:00 - [28] CONCORD is corrupt,it lets you murder if you pay them.
Tysenus	Posted - 2006.01.28 00:07:00 - [29] I now declare Jita 0.0 for the next hour Your welcome and have fun Kill one man and your a murderer... kill a million and your a conquerer
Karl Shade	Posted - 2006.01.28 00:14:00 - [30] Not surprised that it happened, not surprised that it was Caldrel & Co who did it and certainly not surprised that it ended up on the forums. Now, for those who think that these actions should be prevented: Good, go do it! Do it yourselves however, don¦t ask the devs or GM¦s to deal with it. The great thing about Eve isn¦t that you can fly ships, or fight or mine. It¦s the freedom you have as a player. Yes this freedom allows griefers to attack new corps and I¦m not going to defend those griefers but if your reaction to grief is to ask for GM interventions you are playing the wrong game. If you want the grief to stop in eve you have to stop it yourselves. Eve is a hard place, but not necessarily a bad place. You can be good, but you can¦t be soft. Is someone hunting you? Deal with it, there are plenty of ways to ask for help, bore them to peace or my favourite: Fight back. Hmm, a lot of talk to convey a relatively simple point: Just because the rules allow it doesn¦t mean it¦s wrong but just because it¦s wrong doesn¦t mean it should be forbidden.

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