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zyphentits	Posted - 2006.01.27 22:18:00 - [1] Edited by: zyphen*** on 27/01/2006 22:18:46* You might want to get comfortable because you are about to be told one amazing story. It's a story about The Top 5 Dishonorable Cowards in =EvE= History. Now before I go into the story, here are the 5 Dishonorable Cowards story Corp: Unauthorised Now first things first IÆm not here to complain we a cry baby or get upset, IÆam also not here to get help or aid. I am only here to tell one unbelievable story. I started the corp Sector-7 to help new players who joined eve to learn this great game with learning skills, mining and how to use the market etc. We are all members under 1 mill skill points and are just working together in a new corp to have fun in safe empire space. We were a fairly big corp 100 members and we would mine veldspar and omber and trying learning how to make ships etc just what new players do. Then one day we get declared war upon so I msg the corp leader (Kyle Caldrel) Why a 0.0 player corp would declared war on a corp who who all pretty much just finished the biggining tutorials of this game. I asked him why they declared war on us since we were a corp of teaching new players learning mining and npc missions etc. He didnÆt give me a straight answer right away until an hour later then he told me we were mining in his belt. Now these guys have 0.0 experience battleships and assault ships and they are telling us we canÆt mine veldspace in empire space so I asked again a day later when they are killing us over and over, our corp members canÆt even go and buy civilian equipment for there frigs etc more why they took us to war. He then tells me a person in our corp was talking smack to him, but that was not it either since this person wasnÆt online at all during the time of the offence. And this person also never even talked to (Kyle Caldrel) befire the war started Either way say we did mine where he so called was his asteroids in empire space veld materials or either way if one of our guys talked smack to him it still didnÆt add up to why they took us to war. A few days pass as they kill us over and over and work very hard to kill us all and camp us in at stations while they kill us in there assault ships and battle ships and we just sit and die in cruisers frigs and badgers. None of us have battleships and none of us even fight back. 26 people left the corp and out of those 26 people 5 left the game for good dew to the bad experience of the whole game. I also canceled my account dew to this but one thing stayed with me and I think you the reader reading this right now also wonders why Now this is where things get interesting. Because even say we mined all his veldspare and one of our guys did talk smack to them etc The real questions is and this is the questions I stayed in the game isà What was the real reason they took us to warà.well I am about to tell you my good friend. Again keep in mind I am leaving this game IÆm not here to wine or want aid. I search around and talked to many people and I found that these guys dailyhazard Keot GLok Kyle Caldrel Bocabi Actually have a long history of attacking noob corps that are totally new to the game under 1 mill sp and the scary part is they actually enjoy this. I been killed by pirates and I have nothing against pirates for doing this, but these guys dedicate themselves to ruining the EvE community of new players who are only and I mean only trying to learn and enjoy the game. Most of them canÆt even kill npcÆs in .4 or under space !!!!!!! I want to tell the community about these 5 guys who actually think they are cool great talented players because they can attacked a corp who is no where near there league what so ever! This ends my story, I hope thi
PoliceShip	Posted - 2006.01.27 22:20:00 - [2] Edited by: PoliceShip on 27/01/2006 22:21:02 wow...
pshepherd	Posted - 2006.01.27 22:21:00 - [3] welcome to eve. Your only options are: to fight back (and most likely loose) To keep moving around so they can't find you To make another corp, or join a newbie one ============== This is a sig
zyphentits	Posted - 2006.01.27 22:21:00 - [4] This ends my story, I hope this forum helps others because we are not the only corp to totally disappear because of this and we are also not the only members who have left the game to such a degree of hate these 5 guys have towards ruining the EvE community. Thank You
Pride NL	Posted - 2006.01.27 22:27:00 - [5] I at least expected Ginger to be among the top5...........
Atom HeartMother	Posted - 2006.01.27 22:32:00 - [6] Originally by: Pride NL I at least expected Ginger to be among the top5........... mind reader
Shin Ra	Posted - 2006.01.27 22:34:00 - [7] Wow what a cowardly act indeed. This is the first kind of dishonourable tactics I've ever seen. Please contact myself in-game and perhaps I can help you in your struggle.
RavenL0rd	Posted - 2006.01.27 22:35:00 - [8] You were hiding weapons of mass destruction
Grimwalius d'Antan	Posted - 2006.01.27 22:38:00 - [9] Hahaha, you thought this game was something it wasn't. Seriously though, this is Eve, but it can be dealt with. Breaking forum rules is not a way to deal with it. Quitting is an alternative, but it is the worst and it only shows that the quitter is not fit for Eve to begin with. This being said however, I do not think these guys are cool or anything. Still, I don't think newbies deserve a PVP free game. The game was designed this way for a reason: So that it CAN happen. If this was an unwanted effect, war decs would have been changed to prevent it. I would like you to clarify why this is "dishonorable". They are playing by the rules, you have the same options as anyone else. This is like saying someone is driving too fast when in fact it is just you doing 50kph on a 90kph road.
Malena Panic	Posted - 2006.01.27 22:38:00 - [10] Originally by: pshepherd welcome to eve. Your only options are: to fight back (and most likely loose) To keep moving around so they can't find you To make another corp, or join a newbie one 4. To 'out' the cowards on the Eve-Online forum in the hopes that honorable players who encounter them will put them in their place.
Insane Asylum	Posted - 2006.01.27 22:42:00 - [11] The last part of your name is **** I am Trey Azagthoth's alt, and I approve this message.
Myrhh	Posted - 2006.01.27 22:45:00 - [12] Originally by: Grimwalius d'Antan This is like saying someone is driving too fast when in fact it is just you doing 50kph on a 90kph road. New drivers have L plates which entitles them to some consideration and forebearance from experienced drivers. Its not about pvp or nerfing the game its about courtesy and if the war dec rules don't pdiscourage it maybe they should. And before the flames begin I pay the same euros as everbody else and it's my game as amuch as yours.
Graelyn	Posted - 2006.01.27 22:49:00 - [13] Wow, you have a lot of alts. Minister of Foreign Affairs - Aegis Militia Fleet Admiral/CEO - The Aeternus Crusade
Cvuos	Posted - 2006.01.27 22:50:00 - [14] So any other empire war dec "pirates" out there, here's a nice corp to dec!
Sun Ra	Posted - 2006.01.27 22:50:00 - [15] lol Arcane Frankologies - 'plz stop guys it's xmas'
OrangeAfroMan	Posted - 2006.01.27 22:51:00 - [16] Since when was he on a 90kph road? The corp was in Empire, completely peacefully mining. It would be so funny to see your acct reset so you would have to start over again and get ganked time after time simply because somebody wants their e-peen size to increase. Acts like these are actually something CCP should be VERY interested in preventing, because they just lost 80 dollars per month. They chose the "50kph road" because thats where they belonged, and they knew it, however long time players decided to ruin it for them. Makes my blood boil.
KilROCK	Posted - 2006.01.27 22:55:00 - [17] Shin Ra they found your mining corp!!!! No seriously, haha. What a kiss on the ass for Daily Hail Ammo - Remove Speed penality!
Kyle Caldrel	Posted - 2006.01.27 22:57:00 - [18] \o/ tbh i havent used a bs nor have any of my corp mates in this war, we have also killed a considerable amount of battlecruisers and generally lots. Zyph your corp was unorganised and you never seemed to show your face, i havent seen you undock from mateber once. The considerable part of your corp has left after 34 hours of war you told everyone to leave corp as it was over. You gave up and you havent even shown your face. What about your other character zyph the apparent pirate? the one you tell your corp mates about with 30m sp, or is this just trying to sound good to all your young corp members? Your a alt corp you were probably trying to extort money from these guys, or have we foiled your plan? Zyph deal with what has happened and learn from your mistakes. Kyle Caldrel *******************************************************
dailyhazard	Posted - 2006.01.27 23:00:00 - [19] Yes you mined kyles veld in yulai? lol :D btw do you like our titles? i made them, there sexy. ------------------------------------------------ need a sig tbfh
robacz	Posted - 2006.01.27 23:10:00 - [20] Brave pirates killing newbies... Problem is that the whole system of war declaring is completly stupid and stops a lof of ppl from starting their own corporations. Let see, if you are in high sec space and attack someone, local authority will destroy your ship almost instantly. If you are in same space and say "I dont like these guys" (= delare war on them), you are free to kill them and local authority wont do anything even though other side doesnt agree with this war. Does this make any sense? War declaring fees are ludicrously low, so it means, once you start corporation, anyone can kill you anywhere. War declaration should be mutual, unless both sides agree with war, it shouldnt be legal to kill in high security space. It just doesnt make any sense. I would give one-side war declaration right only against corporation whose member previously attacked member(s) of war declaring corporation. Heh I bet PvPers are gonna flame me now.
GLok	Posted - 2006.01.27 23:10:00 - [21] Ok Zyph, maybe look at your own corp for once, they were not all noobs, nor were they all miners, we did have a few of your corp fight against us and we respect that. What we dont respect is you coming on here and shouting we are dishonorable, we arent if anything you are. Can i remind everyone we had war with this corp for 34 hours before they started falling apart, maybe if your corp structure was better and the communication you could have one. We are also playing by the rules, We also do not have a history of war deccing noob corps, i believe dailyhazard is the only one to do this and i know this as a rl freind of him that he fought the whole war by himself and the corp decided to stay docked after losing 8vs1(5 cruisers 3 frigs, against his cruiser) both daily, kyle and myself have also been in a good merc corp for a while where we have pvp'd against people of our own level. Thanks. ----------------------------------------------- Unauthorised. Member Public Channel: Unauthorised
Grimwalius d'Antan	Posted - 2006.01.27 23:20:00 - [22] Originally by: robacz War declaration should be mutual, unless both sides agree with war, it shouldnt be legal to kill in high security space. It just doesnt make any sense. I would give one-side war declaration right only against corporation whose member previously attacked member(s) of war declaring corporation. Again: Hahaha you thought Eve was some other game. Risk is the universal factor in the Eve core idea and design. High sec limits many risks, but it will NEVER be 100% risk free simply by game mechanics. Just because you're war declared doesn't mean you automatically explode the moment the war goes live. The difference now is that you gotta live your life like it is 0.0. You don't need guns to survive in 0.0. You don't need skills to survive in 0.0. All you need is a little bit of common sense and imagination. The tools are there for you to live 100% safe, especially in empire where there are no warp bubbles. But oh no! You can't sit around and let the game make money for you on your own terms while you watch TV! This clearly needs to be fixed!
Dr Smacktalk	Posted - 2006.01.27 23:23:00 - [23] Unauthorised Sounds like my kind of corp. risk free pvp and smacktalk. I will send my application so I can shoot new players in rookie ships all day and then post the kills on the killboard and compete for most rookie ships killed. does your corporation use teamspeak? and do you provide free ammo. I have a Dr. Degree in smackology.
Felcas	Posted - 2006.01.27 23:25:00 - [24] I have just one thing to say about all this... As another pilot stated and one of the Unauthorized member too... "not dishonorable just because they/we play the rules" You maybe playing by the rules or cheating, whatever...honor is not set by rules, honor is set by moral, ethic, principles and your actions! I dont know what really happened and I dont really care, I just wanted to make that clear. Not that I want this to be an absolute true but to make you think about it, or else lets just hide our coward actions behind that "rule shield". It is not a matter of right or wrong...this is a game, you do watever you want to do, especially those things you cant do in RL. But if you are a bad guy, if you want to "kick ill dog or homeless people" know how you will be know and accept that title for yourself, if you cant live with that, then just change your lifestyle, it is never late to do that. ___________________________________ I love trade - the market is my battlefield
Dr Smacktalk	Posted - 2006.01.27 23:33:00 - [25] Edited by: Dr Smacktalk on 27/01/2006 23:33:35 Kyle why did you kick me out of the channel. I am #1 in ganking noobs and smack. I will gank and smack down your victims then grab the Miner Is from the fallen ships and we can have a great laugh as they awake in a cloning bay after a good beatdown in morale. You wont regret it.
SPIONKOP	Posted - 2006.01.27 23:36:00 - [26] Originally by: robacz Brave pirates killing newbies... Problem is that the whole system of war declaring is completly stupid and stops a lof of ppl from starting their own corporations. Let see, if you are in high sec space and attack someone, local authority will destroy your ship almost instantly. If you are in same space and say "I dont like these guys" (= delare war on them), you are free to kill them and local authority wont do anything even though other side doesnt agree with this war. Does this make any sense? War declaring fees are ludicrously low, so it means, once you start corporation, anyone can kill you anywhere. War declaration should be mutual, unless both sides agree with war, it shouldnt be legal to kill in high security space. It just doesnt make any sense. I would give one-side war declaration right only against corporation whose member previously attacked member(s) of war declaring corporation. Heh I bet PvPers are gonna flame me now. What your saying does have some merit however it is open to exploit and "valid" wars would then be rendered usless as corps run to empire above 0.4 to escape from the war. These folks are simply bullys, the same type you find in every school play ground. Maybe thats where they came from, who knows. We must not forget this is a game with PVP in it. CCP could have taken the easy route and declared all PVP combat should be consenual but I don't think we would have a game as good or a popular as this and lets not forget Earth and Beyond. True some people just wont like PVP and find the game is not for them. They can avoid it by staying in a noob corp, joining a noob corp in times of war but at the end of the day maybe they should be playing a different game. This game is not for everyone and CCP did not design a game for everyone. Like or not, this game has PVP. Even noobs in noob corp can be shoot, the police are not their to stop that, they simply finish it.
robacz	Posted - 2006.01.27 23:37:00 - [27] Originally by: Grimwalius d'Antan Again: Hahaha you thought Eve was some other game. Risk is the universal factor in the Eve core idea and design. High sec limits many risks, but it will NEVER be 100% risk free simply by game mechanics. Well my point is, that CONCORD protection doesnt make much sense if all you have to do to avoid it, is to pay 1 Million and declare war. Why do local authority watch an act of murder () when its illegal in their space? Just becouse one-sided act of war declaration? Either remove CONCORD protection completly, or make it complete. Also there is another negative side-effect: ppl stay in noob corps... when you stay in NPC, no one can wardec you.
Electric Cucumber	Posted - 2006.01.27 23:59:00 - [28] CONCORD is corrupt,it lets you murder if you pay them.
Tysenus	Posted - 2006.01.28 00:07:00 - [29] I now declare Jita 0.0 for the next hour Your welcome and have fun Kill one man and your a murderer... kill a million and your a conquerer
Karl Shade	Posted - 2006.01.28 00:14:00 - [30] Not surprised that it happened, not surprised that it was Caldrel & Co who did it and certainly not surprised that it ended up on the forums. Now, for those who think that these actions should be prevented: Good, go do it! Do it yourselves however, don¦t ask the devs or GM¦s to deal with it. The great thing about Eve isn¦t that you can fly ships, or fight or mine. It¦s the freedom you have as a player. Yes this freedom allows griefers to attack new corps and I¦m not going to defend those griefers but if your reaction to grief is to ask for GM interventions you are playing the wrong game. If you want the grief to stop in eve you have to stop it yourselves. Eve is a hard place, but not necessarily a bad place. You can be good, but you can¦t be soft. Is someone hunting you? Deal with it, there are plenty of ways to ask for help, bore them to peace or my favourite: Fight back. Hmm, a lot of talk to convey a relatively simple point: Just because the rules allow it doesn¦t mean it¦s wrong but just because it¦s wrong doesn¦t mean it should be forbidden.
Berrik Radhok	Posted - 2006.01.28 00:15:00 - [31] Voted Istvaan alt funding the war against the newbie corp he's running just for laughs
Blind Man	Posted - 2006.01.28 00:25:00 - [32] Originally by: Pride NL I at least expected Ginger to be among the top5........... qft after what i saw today
Oiri Yusko	Posted - 2006.01.28 01:43:00 - [33] Cleaned. Stay on topic. Don't flame or troll each other here. If somebody else flames you, mail the mods and we'll sort it out. forum rules\|mailto:[email protected]
Marguies	Posted - 2006.01.28 01:50:00 - [34] Edited by: Marguies on 28/01/2006 01:54:11 Originally by: GLok Ok Zyph, maybe look at your own corp for once, they were not all noobs, nor were they all miners, we did have a few of your corp fight against us and we respect that. What we dont respect is you coming on here and shouting we are dishonorable, we arent if anything you are. Can i remind everyone we had war with this corp for 34 hours before they started falling apart, maybe if your corp structure was better and the communication you could have one. We are also playing by the rules, We also do not have a history of war deccing noob corps, i believe dailyhazard is the only one to do this and i know this as a rl freind of him that he fought the whole war by himself and the corp decided to stay docked after losing 8vs1(5 cruisers 3 frigs, against his cruiser) both daily, kyle and myself have also been in a good merc corp for a while where we have pvp'd against people of our own level. Thanks. SOME ONE didn't watch Pinnochio!!! LOL Sorry dude you're a lyin sack of bovine scatterings .... 2006.01.26 10:28 Victim: Marguies Alliance: None Corp: Sector-7 Destroyed: Navitas System: Hodrold Security: 0.6 Involved parties: Name: GLok (laid the final blow) Security: -2.6 Alliance: None Corp: Unauthorised. Ship: Enyo Weapon: Light Ion Blaster II Destroyed items: 150mm Railgun I Civilian Shield Booster I Civilian Expanded Cargohold Civilian Gatling Railgun ============================= 2006.01.26 10:29 Victim: Marguies Alliance: None Corp: Sector-7 Destroyed: Capsule System: Hodrold Security: 0.6 Involved parties: Name: GLok (laid the final blow) Security: -2.6 Alliance: None Corp: Unauthorised. Ship: Enyo Weapon: Light Ion Blaster II Mind you i have played for a grand total of 12 days ... hadn't even used up all of my trial period ... was in a Frig retrieving my stuff and was ganked not by one ship (of dispropotionate size ... but THREE .. warp jammed i believe is the term then hit ONE time and taken down to half structure .... Im sorry but hunting mice with a 105 howitzer isn't what one calls sport.
Tenacha Khan	Posted - 2006.01.28 01:57:00 - [35] posting kill mails is against the forum rules
Lexa A	Posted - 2006.01.28 02:03:00 - [36] Of corse theres people that do this. it makes them feel good makes them think there leet my advice is someone maybe ccp should sort a noob alliance out. A alliance that new corps can join. Dont leave the game becuse of a few idiots look to join a alliance im sure there will be one that will take you on. There pirates that will fight you thne theres people that want to think there good it just ocmes with eve :(
zyphentits	Posted - 2006.01.28 02:13:00 - [37] Originally by: Lexa A Of corse theres people that do this. it makes them feel good makes them think there leet my advice is someone maybe ccp should sort a noob alliance out. A alliance that new corps can join. Dont leave the game becuse of a few idiots look to join a alliance im sure there will be one that will take you on. There pirates that will fight you thne theres people that want to think there good it just ocmes with eve :( Well i don't want to leave the game, I wish they would just leave us alone.
Vily	Posted - 2006.01.28 02:34:00 - [38] I can think of at least 20 corps that would come to your aid, When pirates attack newb corps, most of the time all they need to do is go to a forum like this and ask for help. There are enough anti-pirate corps out there that like killing this kind of scum. To you and all new corps, ASK FOR HELP you WILL get it. Do it sorta like this. but do it 2 weeks before your all slaughtered
Marguies	Posted - 2006.01.28 02:36:00 - [39] my appologies .... just thought the truth need be known ... not appologizing for tellin the real deal just appologizing for doing it via kill mail ... as i said i AM a newb.
Zysco	Posted - 2006.01.28 07:42:00 - [40] Originally by: Karl Shade Not surprised that it happened, not surprised that it was Caldrel & Co who did it and certainly not surprised that it ended up on the forums. I love how kyle is like assumed to be the ringleader, even though thats not even the real kyle, so saying "omg he has a history of doing that" makes no sense cause... its not kyle. PS: lol @ this thread, spank them daily.
Kyle Caldrel	Posted - 2006.01.28 09:12:00 - [41] Originally by: Vily I can think of at least 20 corps that would come to your aid, When pirates attack newb corps, most of the time all they need to do is go to a forum like this and ask for help. There are enough anti-pirate corps out there that like killing this kind of scum. To you and all new corps, ASK FOR HELP you WILL get it. Do it sorta like this. but do it 2 weeks before your all slaughtered yea dude, cos we are pirates and before you call this griefing please read the eula, because it most certainly isnt. *******************************************************
Kuolematon	Posted - 2006.01.28 09:41:00 - [42] Edited by: Kuolematon on 28/01/2006 09:41:07 Originally by: Kyle Caldrel yea dude, cos we are piwates .. and thats why you hide in safety of empire space and never come to 0.0 where true PvP happens ________________________________________________________ Changed time has. Clueless no more. Can you see that?
Kyle Caldrel	Posted - 2006.01.28 09:51:00 - [43] Originally by: Kuolematon Edited by: Kuolematon on 28/01/2006 09:41:07 Originally by: Kyle Caldrel yea dude, cos we are piwates .. and thats why you hide in safety of empire space and never come to 0.0 where true PvP happens do you know anything? ive been in 0.0 ive killed **e there, and true pvp generally doesent happen there, its mostly blobs and 4stabs on every ship. *****************************************************
So'Kar	Posted - 2006.01.28 09:55:00 - [44] In eve starting corp mean more than starting guild or what ever in most other mmorpgs. It sound like you guys werent ready to start corp, so i suggest you disband it and start new player channel where you all gather and learn the game together. Ofcourse that will mean you will miss all corp features like taxing your members, but thats something you have to earn yourself when you are ready to take next step and start corp. You can always collect donations.
Scalor Valentis	Posted - 2006.01.28 10:02:00 - [45] Originally by: Kuolematon Edited by: Kuolematon on 28/01/2006 09:41:07 Originally by: Kyle Caldrel yea dude, cos we are piwates .. and thats why you hide in safety of empire space and never come to 0.0 where true PvP happens sush, thou shalt not speak of "true" pvp cause you know so little abaut it yet, Back to Bootcamp
Scalor Valentis	Posted - 2006.01.28 10:02:00 - [46] Originally by: Atom HeartMother Originally by: Pride NL I at least expected Ginger to be among the top5........... mind reader Same thing, and atleast half of the Burn Eden too
TrinianHG	Posted - 2006.01.28 10:31:00 - [47] Edited by: TrinianHG on 28/01/2006 10:30:57 Guys try to keep that bitter attitude of yours back, lets not run off the topic here. These guys asked for help because some Pirate Corp who likes declaring on people who fly a 'Navitas'. Anyway. Where are those "20 Anti Pirate" organisations that were supposed to be here. Regards, Trinian H. Gorion
Tasuric Orka	Posted - 2006.01.28 11:09:00 - [48] Pathetic really. Yes, eve is harsh, eve is this, eve is that. But wardeccing noobs and ganking their paper ships with your PWN(tm) vessles is just wrong. Its griefing for the simple reason that they cannot fight back in any effective way. ________________________________________________ Hypocritical.
Lardarz B'stard	Posted - 2006.01.28 11:11:00 - [49] Holy cow, these dastardly cowards must be stopped!!!!!#!ú$!! to the batmobile!! maggot for the should have won
Kyle Caldrel	Posted - 2006.01.28 11:12:00 - [50] Originally by: Tasuric Orka Pathetic really. Yes, eve is harsh, eve is this, eve is that. But wardeccing noobs and ganking their paper ships with your PWN(tm) vessles is just wrong. Its griefing for the simple reason that they cannot fight back in any effective way. yes, we killed only frigs and noob ships, if this was true i would agree with you. Tbh these guys have more than zyph says, they had a wide array of people in battlecruisers and cruisers, we have only really flown cruisers and intys/af's, not 1 bs has been flown. *******************************************************
Plexreticle	Posted - 2006.01.28 11:22:00 - [51] A noob in a BC is still a noob. I saw a 30 day wonder in a Tempest today. Still a noob and could be killed by any PvP'er with 5 mill SP's and an AF. Originally by: Kyle Caldrel yes, we killed only frigs and noob ships, if this was true i would agree with you. Tbh these guys have more than zyph says, they had a wide array of people in battlecruisers and cruisers, we have only really flown cruisers and intys/af's, not 1 bs has been flown. revenge is my god and my guns are her angels
GLok	Posted - 2006.01.28 11:24:00 - [52] Relating to the earlier post which included a killmail. Yes i did kill your navitas and your pod. Yes i was in a more powerful ship. Yes it was an unfair fight. But you mentioned 3 people killing you? As far as i can see there is only me on that killmail. Now relating to other posts about us using "Bigger" ships. It is far from true. I alone had a fight with a Brutix classs battlecruiser while flying my vexor.. The corp had alot more than just noob ships and frigates. At some points i even stated to kyle "If these guys used their brains and fought against us together we wouldnt stand a chance" So i give you advice because its more than likely this will happen again to you, maybe not from us but it happens all the time in eve. If you are in your "noob corp" then stick together and if threatend stand together and there will be no chance of your enemies fighting you. The war is still active against you guys, why not test it out? ----------------------------------------------- Unauthorised. Member Public Channel: Unauthorised
Tasuric Orka	Posted - 2006.01.28 11:26:00 - [53] It still doesnt add up to me why you would pick a fight with a corp that largely consists of newbies, its not exciting to be near instantly ganked upon leaving a station, its just frustrating. But whatever, i dont know the facts. ________________________________________________ Hypocritical.
Zeromancer	Posted - 2006.01.28 11:37:00 - [54] Originally by: Kyle Caldrel Originally by: Tasuric Orka Pathetic really. Yes, eve is harsh, eve is this, eve is that. But wardeccing noobs and ganking their paper ships with your PWN(tm) vessles is just wrong. Its griefing for the simple reason that they cannot fight back in any effective way. yes, we killed only frigs and noob ships, if this was true i would agree with you. Tbh these guys have more than zyph says, they had a wide array of people in battlecruisers and cruisers, we have only really flown cruisers and intys/af's, not 1 bs has been flown. You guys don't get it do you. This is only an example of you guys wanting to get killmails. You can't cut it against players with more playtime so you wardec some newbies and go on a killingspree. Yes it's within the game mecanics Yes it's allowed according to the EULA You try to make yorself feel better by saying , but but they fly Battlecruisers and cruisers, but failing to realise that it's all they can do. They can just fly those ships and but some miners on them They have no skills for tanking, no engineeringskills, so killing them is just as easy as killing a shuttle, only thakes a bit more time. But hey if it makes you guys feel good. In my book this is griefing and nothing else.
Sambo	Posted - 2006.01.28 11:40:00 - [55] Edited by: Sambo on 28/01/2006 11:41:36 Bro Contact me in game , I can promise you these nickle and dime P**** will never bother you or your corp again , if you want my help , yes we our business men on the wrong side of the law , but now you see the justice the law gives you. Join us I will personally help you rebuild and when your ready we will give them family style justice
Kyle Caldrel	Posted - 2006.01.28 11:42:00 - [56] Originally by: Zeromancer Originally by: Kyle Caldrel Originally by: Tasuric Orka Pathetic really. Yes, eve is harsh, eve is this, eve is that. But wardeccing noobs and ganking their paper ships with your PWN(tm) vessles is just wrong. Its griefing for the simple reason that they cannot fight back in any effective way. yes, we killed only frigs and noob ships, if this was true i would agree with you. Tbh these guys have more than zyph says, they had a wide array of people in battlecruisers and cruisers, we have only really flown cruisers and intys/af's, not 1 bs has been flown. You guys don't get it do you. This is only an example of you guys wanting to get killmails. You can't cut it against players with more playtime so you wardec some newbies and go on a killingspree. Yes it's within the game mecanics Yes it's allowed according to the EULA You try to make yorself feel better by saying , but but they fly Battlecruisers and cruisers, but failing to realise that it's all they can do. They can just fly those ships and but some miners on them They have no skills for tanking, no engineeringskills, so killing them is just as easy as killing a shuttle, only thakes a bit more time. But hey if it makes you guys feel good. In my book this is griefing and nothing else. no i think it is you that doesent get it. I can cut it against people with more playtime and i feel i have proved that, so have my corp members. *******************************************************
Kyle Caldrel	Posted - 2006.01.28 11:43:00 - [57] Originally by: Sambo Edited by: Sambo on 28/01/2006 11:41:36 Bro Contact me in game , I can promise you these nickle and dime P** will never bother you or your corp again , if you want my help , yes we our business men on the wrong side of the law , but now you see the justice the law gives you. Join us I will personally help you rebuild and when your ready we will give them family style justice after seeing the atomic battle penguins movie, im not sure i can take you guys seriously :D *****************************************************
Sambo	Posted - 2006.01.28 11:47:00 - [58] Pure propoganda , you believing it tells me all I need to know about you. Save your pennys and war dec some other noob corp , thats all your good for.
Kyozoku	Posted - 2006.01.28 11:49:00 - [59] so in conclusion i deserve a beer
d00bld0ze	Posted - 2006.01.28 12:13:00 - [60] I remember my first hours playing Eve :) A sympatic corporation filled of noob friends. Attacks of a group of cowards against all our members. Hours of meeting to try to understand why? A declared war when they noticed that we were only noob! Our first attack of a BS, only with frigates. Our search for ally and of alliance. Our firsts steps into the legendary Curse Alliance. ... Our enemies who are obliged to resell their unusable accounts. ---------------------------------------------- Sorry for my english, my skill is only level 1
Sam Arran	Posted - 2006.01.28 12:59:00 - [61] Edited by: Sam Arran on 28/01/2006 13:00:12 Edited by: Sam Arran on 28/01/2006 12:59:31 Originally by: Kyle Caldrel I can cut it against people with more playtime and i feel i have proved that, so have my corp members. If this is the case then what, exactly, do you gain from deliberately griefing new players? They have no decent loot, they have no bounties on their heads, and there's no challenge whatsoever in using an Enyo to destroy a Navitas. I'd be thoroughly ashamed and embarrassed if all I could destroy with my Enyo was a n00b frigate. Surely if you're such a great PvP-er then you'd gain absolutely nothing (either in ISK or in game satisfaction) from picking on week-old players? Or are you just 'roleplaying', which is the usual excuse for griefing?
Flyyn	Posted - 2006.01.28 13:14:00 - [62] With all due respect for you "mini Mods" I rather lose five accounts then 26... CCP you there? Reset all five of these guys to day one, let them see how it feels to be griefed. And deleate all alts of theirs and ban any other accounts they may have. Griefers have no bussness playing eve they should go back to CS or Linage II. Thats my two ISK worth on griefing tactics and War Decs...
Kyle Caldrel	Posted - 2006.01.28 13:28:00 - [63] Originally by: Flyyn With all due respect for you "mini Mods" I rather lose five accounts then 26... CCP you there? Reset all five of these guys to day one, let them see how it feels to be griefed. And deleate all alts of theirs and ban any other accounts they may have. Griefers have no bussness playing eve they should go back to CS or Linage II. Thats my two ISK worth on griefing tactics and War Decs... thats the thing this isnt griefing and this isnt what the gm's see as griefing int his game you are never safe. If they dont like it go back to WoW and reduce server lag. *******************************************************
ubar Tirokk	Posted - 2006.01.28 13:35:00 - [64] Hi as an ex member(one of the directors) of sector 7. I would like to say something. First, about that coment about we mining your roids, it would be valid if we had any ships down there we dont. Second, when you say cruisers dont you mean Heavy Assault Ships. Third, most of the people that joined, joined because the help channel moved far too fast to get any help. I must admit I had trouble reading the rookie help channel. I had a retribution class ship. I only had 2.7mil sp and I have to admit we wear the most disorganized corp ever. I blame ourselfs partly because we should of been more careful in our recruitment, but that doesnt matter now our corp is disbanding. Oh and I thank everyone for there support on this thread. Good Luck to you all.
lord fenster	Posted - 2006.01.28 13:45:00 - [65] i one of the members of sector 7 that was in the corp at the time of the war i have a gunnery sp of 18000 i am a miner and think it just a bit sad that they were on local channel talking how they wtfpwned me and what uber pilot they are however they dress it up it makes them feel good to kill noobs max kudos to you kyle and co
ubar Tirokk	Posted - 2006.01.28 13:45:00 - [66] correction I was mistaken about the disbanding part, sorry
Flyyn	Posted - 2006.01.28 13:50:00 - [67] Originally by: Kyle Caldrel Originally by: Flyyn With all due respect for you "mini Mods" I rather lose five accounts then 26... CCP you there? Reset all five of these guys to day one, let them see how it feels to be griefed. And deleate all alts of theirs and ban any other accounts they may have. Griefers have no bussness playing eve they should go back to CS or Linage II. Thats my two ISK worth on griefing tactics and War Decs... thats the thing this isnt griefing and this isnt what the gm's see as griefing int his game you are never safe. If they dont like it go back to WoW and reduce server lag. So you take pride in killing noob players? Makes you feel good inside? Just makes you day dont it? That friend (not) is griefing, leagal or not. Very lame...
Espen	Posted - 2006.01.28 14:07:00 - [68] Edited by: Espen on 28/01/2006 14:07:35 Originally by: Kyle Caldrel no i think it is you that doesent get it. I can cut it against people with more playtime and i feel i have proved that, so have my corp members. Thats the most retarded thing I've ever heard. If you have 'proved' that you're a real pvper, why do you war dec a corp with nothing but noobs?
Troye	Posted - 2006.01.28 14:13:00 - [69] So... are you going to tell us what the real reason for the war was Kyle???
Corsair Thunder	Posted - 2006.01.28 14:15:00 - [70] I don't see the point in deccing n00b corp people really, its just no challenge, and it doesn't really give you any experiance. Pls, go declare on someone who will give you run for your money, will make your pvp experiance much more enjoyable. Daily and Glok, don't stoop this low dudes, your good guys at heart ;) Lastly, to Sector 7, don't give up from 1 war dec, you can ask for help, and it will come, as said before. GL -----------------------------------------------
Kyle Caldrel	Posted - 2006.01.28 14:16:00 - [71] Originally by: lord fenster i one of the members of sector 7 that was in the corp at the time of the war i have a gunnery sp of 18000 i am a miner and think it just a bit sad that they were on local channel talking how they wtfpwned me and what uber pilot they are however they dress it up it makes them feel good to kill noobs max kudos to you kyle and co can i have the log of this please? because it didnt happen. *******************************************************
Espen	Posted - 2006.01.28 14:16:00 - [72] Originally by: Troye So... are you going to tell us what the real reason for the war was Kyle??? Yeah, tell us the real reason, kyle... or should I say dailyhazard.
Kyle Caldrel	Posted - 2006.01.28 14:18:00 - [73] Originally by: Corsair Thunder I don't see the point in deccing n00b corp people really, its just no challenge, and it doesn't really give you any experiance. Pls, go declare on someone who will give you run for your money, will make your pvp experiance much more enjoyable. Daily and Glok, don't stoop this low dudes, your good guys at heart ;) Lastly, to Sector 7, don't give up from 1 war dec, you can ask for help, and it will come, as said before. GL well let me just say this, as i said zyphentis is a alt, of a 30m sp pirates(from what he has said) why can he not help himself. *******************************************************
Lienzo	Posted - 2006.01.28 14:35:00 - [74] Empire war is so goddamn easy. 1st, make local friends that aren't in your corp/split corp into two or more new corps. 2nd, gang them. 3rd, friend notices unfriendly near gate/belt. 4th, have uncloaked but innocuous-looking friend fly near to the prey/ebilness to line up a clear gank. 5th, assemble squad at ss -> then warp to non-war'd scout and kill hostile. (Scout should not participate.) 6th, collect the can/corpse and depart. Whatever ship you're using now is completely fine one way or another. Just fit a warp disruptor on a larger, slower ship and a scram on the frigs. Someone, somewhere will coach you on the finer points of applying individual ships and components effectively. This very rarely fails. However, if it does, you have just lucked into finding decent guides to EVE.
Aleria Angelis	Posted - 2006.01.28 14:47:00 - [75] Another classic example of empire cowards punishing noobs for "Mining" in empire. EVE is a fun game for bullys isnt that right Kyle? So far the only justification you've been able to give us is that these noobs can defend themsleves against your onslaught. They clearly can't... otherwise we wouldnt be seeing this thread. If these people were operating in low sec then I would agree, the fact is that your killing people before they've even been given a chance to grow. Its pathetic, your corporation's pathetic and now everyone can see that. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Lav ya lots! -Aleria
lord fenster	Posted - 2006.01.28 14:47:00 - [76] Name: GLok (laid the final blow) Security: -2.6 Alliance: None Corp: Unauthorised. Ship: Vexor Weapon: Vespa II Name: Kyle Caldrel Security: 2.0 Alliance: None Corp: Unauthorised. Ship: Crusader Weapon: Crusader sp kyle what was the reason for starting the war
Katamarino	Posted - 2006.01.28 15:08:00 - [77] Quick Kyle, make up another lame reason
zyphentits	Posted - 2006.01.28 15:11:00 - [78] GL well let me just say this, as i said zyphentis is a alt, of a 30m sp pirates(from what he has said) why can he not help himself. I said this in corp chat like many things to see if you guys still had your alts spying onus and you do. This proved it and you fell for it. You lie and lie and the more you talk the more it proves it. Why don't you just stop the war and leave us alone?? Yes this is true they have spys all in our corp....
Liu Kaskakka	Posted - 2006.01.28 16:34:00 - [79] khihihihihi King Liu is RIGHT!!
Gift	Posted - 2006.01.28 16:45:00 - [80] Bottom line here: Sector-7 was tested and was not strong enough to survive. Your members should look into a corp that can protect them. I am not saying what happened was right or wrong but with a corp of 100+ members and no ability to defend itself it was only a matter of time. If not "Unauthorised" another corp would have noticed you and the results would have been the same. In my opinion your members should find a corp that can still help them learning the ropes of eve but at the same time be able defend against small PvP corps. Or Sector-7 needs to go out and recruit one hell of a fleet commander & lead the noobs to battle proper! Sawa's Graphic Fun Time
Scoundrelus	Posted - 2006.01.28 17:14:00 - [81] Edited by: Scoundrelus on 28/01/2006 17:14:01 What a load of horse****. Unauthorized should realize that they're not talking to children here. The sole reason you war dec'ed that corp is just so you can get some laughs and easy kills. When I was a newb this was done to my corp, and the attackers got pwned because some nice high SP players joined us to assist. People like you are the scum of EVE honestly, to sit there and kill newbs all day who are trying to learn the game and justify it with "Hey I killed a Brutix!" is just plain dumb. Don't sit there and try to make the threadmaker worse by telling him he never undocked. What the hell would be the point of undocking if your camping a station? Don't be stupid, how about I go camp a station your docked at with 10 ships and see if you undock. You wouldn't. Go fight people who can actually put up a fight, or is this your idea of PvP?
FlexRex	Posted - 2006.01.28 17:25:00 - [82] Edited by: FlexRex on 28/01/2006 17:28:07
zyphentits	Posted - 2006.01.28 17:29:00 - [83] CdCommander > lo CdCommander > just wanted to say your thread was so funny zyphen** > oh thanks zyphen > yeah they sure did tear us a new one CdCommander > yea you got owned zyphen > that is correct CdCommander > and the thread was just hillarious zyphen** > glad you liked it .........goes back to helping new players with the tutorial
Shaemell Buttleson	Posted - 2006.01.28 17:45:00 - [84] no i think it is you that doesent get it. I can cut it against people with more playtime and i feel i have proved that, so have my corp members. Thank god for heros in the game!
Malken	Posted - 2006.01.28 18:20:00 - [85] Originally by: Katamarino Quick Kyle, make up another lame reason FFS quit crying! he is allowed to wardec any corp he feels like. if you cant take the heat get the hell out of the kitchen.
Ikvar	Posted - 2006.01.28 18:59:00 - [86] Originally by: zyphen** OH GOD PVP Quit your *ing, nancy. If you have 100 members or whatever, get them each in a T1 frig with a really cheap disposable fitting and blob the crap out of them. Originally by:** Avon I actually enjoy crafting in EQ2.
Naleb Cilani	Posted - 2006.01.28 19:01:00 - [87] I guess most of you guys are too young to remember that in a game with non-consentual pvp the miners are always the first to die. Sad but true. cough Ultima-Online. Why bother questioning motive when history proves it will repeat itself?
Magic Trev	Posted - 2006.01.28 19:06:00 - [88] Originally by: Ikvar Originally by: zyphen** OH GOD PVP Quit your ***ing, nancy. If you have 100 members or whatever, get them each in a T1 frig with a really cheap disposable fitting and blob the crap out of them. QFT i can't say i agree or disagree with the situation but like you said you have 100 odd members... a war dec can be one of the best ways of learning in eve and it forces people to do so quickly... so instead of turning it into a forum war how about you try and defend yourselves as ikvar said... T1 frig x 100 = win against 5 players :/ all shoot the same one at the same time and theres not much they can do tbh ----------------------
Ischyros	Posted - 2006.01.28 19:12:00 - [89] Originally by: Magic Trev Originally by: Ikvar Originally by: zyphen** OH GOD PVP Quit your ***ing, nancy. If you have 100 members or whatever, get them each in a T1 frig with a really cheap disposable fitting and blob the crap out of them. QFT i can't say i agree or disagree with the situation but like you said you have 100 odd members... a war dec can be one of the best ways of learning in eve and it forces people to do so quickly... so instead of turning it into a forum war how about you try and defend yourselves as ikvar said... T1 frig x 100 = win against 5 players :/ all shoot the same one at the same time and theres not much they can do tbh So...have you ever tried to organize 90+ brand new players to do ANYTHING? Especially when they all have lives in seperate time zones? This all boils down to the fact that what they have done is dishonourable and idiotic.
zyphentits	Posted - 2006.01.28 19:16:00 - [90] I was told if I surrender do we lose our corp?? or does it just stop the war??

Imaran	Posted - 2006.01.28 19:38:00 - [91] Man, where to start. So many breaches for the forum rules in one place. Please review the forum rules. Locked for persistant trolling and flaming. click ~~Property Of Uly~~ Property Of Eris


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