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Mer88
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.10.14 19:25:00 -
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paladin has so much better cap and the gun is better than railgun ?
also no need to keep buying ammos
so tell me whats the advantage kronos has over pally? |
marVLs
451
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Posted - 2013.10.14 19:35:00 -
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Yeah pally looks the best now (or rather rest of marauders are still not in good shape) but it has that damn em/th ammo... So it has veeery limited reasonable use (99,9% marauders was and will be used in PVE), don't have tracking bonus, kronos have blasters yada yada, but still it lacks something. If You ask me, now i would train pally no mather that it will be used only for ammar missions |
Sirinda
Ekchuah's Shrine Comporium Kill It With Fire
218
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Posted - 2013.10.14 19:47:00 -
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Right, and T2 crystals suck.
Also, OP has never heard of blasters.
Regarding your spelling: Click |
Mer88
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
33
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Posted - 2013.10.14 20:35:00 -
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Sirinda wrote:Right, and T2 crystals suck. Also, OP has never heard of blasters. Regarding your spelling: Click
blaster is awful even auto cannon is better especially considering you can select the damage type plus no cap needed also |
Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
731
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Posted - 2013.10.14 20:52:00 -
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Sirinda wrote:Right, and T2 crystals suck. Also, OP has never heard of blasters. Regarding your spelling: Click
The actual link you were looking for your troll was this I believe. Fast Character Switching "XP Stylee" Undocking - More Routes Out of Station Here's my tear jar > |_| < Fill 'er up! |
Caellach Marellus
Aideron Technologies
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Posted - 2013.10.14 21:40:00 -
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T2 and Faction crystals drain over time, lasers tend to be more cap intensive than the Kronos.
Therm/Kin has a better damage spread than EM/Therm, and Blasters have a higher DPS output than pulses.
The main advantage the Paladin had was range, but with the Bastion bonuses to both range, and the tank allowing you to fit less tank modules and stick a TE instead to go with a TC in the mids, and the MJD to allow you quick relocation across the field, that range advantage is significantly less impressive.
Autocannons are bleh, you'll spend most of your time firing in falloff, and the Vargur looks really poor of the four so far.
Honestly, both the Paladin and the Kronos are great, and depending on what you shoot both will have their moments in the sun. Enjoy your gaming.
http://northern-goblin.blogspot.com |
Aglais
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
418
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Posted - 2013.10.14 23:22:00 -
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What's the point of Marauders when you have T3s?
They probably tank kind of the same, the T3s are way faster in literally every field making them better mission runners, and they're cheaper. |
Caellach Marellus
Aideron Technologies
1168
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Posted - 2013.10.14 23:42:00 -
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Aglais wrote:What's the point of Marauders when you have T3s?
They probably tank kind of the same, the T3s are way faster in literally every field making them better mission runners, and they're cheaper.
You can't get the same DPS and projection on a T3. Not to mention coupled with tank, MJD+MWD capable twin manoeuvrability, large cargo bay for loot and space for salvage drones to pick up the extra isk for you.
From someone who use to T3 his missions, you've no advantage other than price, but you're paying for a less effective ship. Enjoy your gaming.
http://northern-goblin.blogspot.com |
Sirinda
Ekchuah's Shrine Comporium Kill It With Fire
218
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Posted - 2013.10.15 07:14:00 -
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Maximus Aerelius wrote:Sirinda wrote:Right, and T2 crystals suck. Also, OP has never heard of blasters. Regarding your spelling: Click The actual link you were looking for your troll was this I believe.
What? |
roey Semah
Tork n' beans HUNTER'S BROTHERHOOD
1
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Posted - 2013.10.15 13:00:00 -
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phhh guns... phhh tracking... Golem is the way to go! . |
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Vinyl 41
Perkone Academy
10
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Posted - 2013.10.15 14:37:00 -
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got a golem and loving it but the new palad with beams is just as my beloved golem playstyle |
Mer88
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
33
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Posted - 2013.10.15 15:37:00 -
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golem lose alot of dps to BS over 200m/s sometimes volley damage is 1k ish makes me want to self detonate |
Vinyl 41
Perkone Academy
10
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Posted - 2013.10.15 17:54:00 -
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Mer88 wrote:golem lose alot of dps to BS over 200m/s sometimes volley damage is 1k ish makes me want to self detonate kick that flare rig no idea why but with appli skills on 5 and tp/ marauder stuff on 4 when i switched from second t2 rigor to t2 flare ive lost some noticeable volley damage - kinda no idea why need some eft warrior to enlighten me here |
Mer88
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
33
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Posted - 2013.10.15 18:54:00 -
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Vinyl 41 wrote:Mer88 wrote:golem lose alot of dps to BS over 200m/s sometimes volley damage is 1k ish makes me want to self detonate kick that flare rig no idea why but with appli skills on 5 and tp/ marauder stuff on 4 when i switched from second t2 rigor to t2 flare ive lost some noticeable volley damage - kinda no idea why need some eft warrior to enlighten me here
are you shooting cruises? if so its probably was defender missiles kiliing 1/4 of the dps nothing to do with sig rad if you were shooting BS.
imo, there is no need to use rigors in golem when a TP has more than twice the explosion radius bonus than 2 x t2 rigor rigs I would use 2x t2 flares for cruise fit. but even still you will still start to lose damage when bs travel faster than 200m/s since the exp velocity never get higher than 200m/s even with 2x flares. |
Mike Forsite
MISSI0N C0NTR0L D-O-G-M-A
0
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Posted - 2013.10.16 21:08:00 -
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I've never used the Golem with CM's. Only got 4 Launchers and Defender kill a CM. That's why i use Torps, because they can't be "defended" ...
That's my actual fitting on SiSi:
Damage Control II Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
X-Large Shield Booster II Pithum C-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field Target Painter II Target Painter II Cap Recharger II Large Micro Jump Drive Gist A-Type 100MN Afterburner
Torpedo Launcher II Torpedo Launcher II Torpedo Launcher II Torpedo Launcher II Small Tractor Beam II [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Bastion Module I
Large Hydraulic Bay Thrusters II Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
5 Missile Imps: TD-605; MB-705;GP-805;TN-905;RL-1005
All Missile Skills at 5 and Marauder at 5.
Got a volley on a NPC BS (even Angels orbitting at 6km) without TP over 3k. Cruisers mostly 1 Hit with 1-2 TP active. Range on TQ is about 50 km (57 km in info) and on SiSi with Bastion Mode about 65km (70 km in info). With Bastion mode it's nearly perfect in Missions.
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Mer88
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
33
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Posted - 2013.10.16 23:31:00 -
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Mike Forsite wrote:I've never used the Golem with CM's. Only got 4 Launchers and Defender kill a CM. That's why i use Torps, because they can't be "defended" ... That's my actual fitting on SiSi: Damage Control II Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System X-Large Shield Booster II Pithum C-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field Target Painter II Target Painter II Cap Recharger II Large Micro Jump Drive Gist A-Type 100MN Afterburner Torpedo Launcher II Torpedo Launcher II Torpedo Launcher II Torpedo Launcher II Small Tractor Beam II [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Bastion Module I Large Hydraulic Bay Thrusters II Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II 5 Missile Imps: TD-605; MB-705;GP-805;TN-905;RL-1005 All Missile Skills at 5 and Marauder at 5. Got a volley on a NPC BS (even Angels orbitting at 6km) without TP over 3k. Cruisers mostly 1 Hit with 1-2 TP active. Range on TQ is about 50 km (57 km in info) and on SiSi with Bastion Mode about 65km (70 km in info). With Bastion mode it's nearly perfect in Missions. And the best in bastion mode is: No scramble from Guristas and no damping from Serpentis ... really speeds up missions against this NPC's. Alpha on a structure is about 6,5k with Javelin and about 10k with Rage Torps.
my jav torp is 64 in TQ why is urs 57?
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Jaiimez Skor
ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
80
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Posted - 2013.10.17 14:52:00 -
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Honestly if you're fitting pulses you're doing it wrong, I'm not that familiar with missions but was testing some things on Sisi the other day related to L5's, and had to run a few level 4's before hand, and with Bastion and MJD, I was using a Techyon Paladin, i'd shoot all the big stuff, come out of bastion, MJD 100km away, rebastion, load ultravilot, and instapop all the frigates before they could get under my guns, then come otu again and MJD back to the acceleration gate. Was so easy, i'm also sure a similar trick will work with railguns, I kinda like the new marauders. |
Vrenth
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
77
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Posted - 2013.10.17 20:52:00 -
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Mer88 wrote:paladin has so much better cap and the gun is better than railgun ?
also no need to keep buying ammos
so tell me whats the advantage kronos has over pally?
Advantages : - Not having to train up an entire other BS 5 to get 10% better cap usage. - Having a decent short range weapon when not using a MJD - Better in PvP for the above mentioned reason - Damage type is different (situational) - It's a megathron Hull Disadvantages -Ammo -Less dps at long ranges -Less cap stable with high dps ammo (cap stability doesnt mean a damn thing in missions, especially when MJDing)
I'll keep flying my Kronos, it does it's job. |
Robbie Robot
Exiled Kings SCUM.
23
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Posted - 2013.10.18 05:50:00 -
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Mer88 wrote:paladin has so much better cap and the gun is better than railgun ?
also no need to keep buying ammos
so tell me whats the advantage kronos has over pally? Kronos is better vs guristas and serpentis. Kronos does better when someone is trying to neut you. |
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
1357
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Posted - 2013.10.19 00:36:00 -
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Folks, the Paladin and Kronos both are losing their web bonus, which is the death of the ship. Comparing them is like comparing the Edsel to the Pinto, both are awful.
Get yourself a faction BS instead, well, at least until they are ruined in the coming months. Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |
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Allandri
Liandri Industrial Liandri Covenant
59
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Posted - 2013.10.19 02:51:00 -
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Aglais wrote:What's the point of Marauders when you have T3s?
They probably tank kind of the same, the T3s are way faster in literally every field making them better mission runners, and they're cheaper.
I have a feeling strategic cruisers are going to get hit hard with the nerf bat to bring them in line with other cruisers |
Rasta we
The Red Island Foundation
0
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Posted - 2013.10.19 07:12:00 -
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After some testing, i was able to get the kronos to hit out to 100km with blasters, with 2 TC and tracking scripts i was even able to track MWD Frigates at this range.. You sir need to start thinking out the box. |
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
1022
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Posted - 2013.10.19 07:53:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Folks, the Paladin and Kronos both are losing their web bonus, which is the death of the ship. Comparing them is like comparing the Edsel to the Pinto, both are awful.
Get yourself a faction BS instead, well, at least until they are ruined in the coming months.
Fly a pirate BS if you want that. The Tears Must Flow |
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