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A bysium Null Universe Space Technician The Black Planets 0	Posted - 2013.10.15 15:46:00 - [1] - Quote Greetings I was recently making a logistics dedicated clone and I have found out that there is nothing usefull on slot 10 for that purpose. Slot 10 is nice if your using weapons, but not at all usefull if your using logi. The only thing that touches the logi pilot is the 'Noble' ZET-50, but thats just a few % on armor and thats really rather useless as logis aint built to tank. So I fly with an empty 10slot. There are many attributes that could get boosted for logis, with more or less game changing effects. Now I will list some of the attribute changes that I think a logi could use: ("could use" does not in any way meen they are neccesery, just that this effects would effect a logi) -shield/armor transfer cycle -shield/armor transfer amount -shield/armor ransfer cap cost -shield/armor transfer range -agility -signature -targeting resolution -tracking link effect -tracking link cycle -tracking link cap cost -tracking link range -... Personaly I think a faster shield/armor transfer cycle could be a good one, as it would effectively raise the cap cost of the logi, and since most logis are allready barely balancing their cap, it would add an extra difficulty in making your fit just right with a reward for getting it right. On the other hand im personaly opposed to reducing cap costs for transfer or link, as it would just make it easier to make a cap stable fit without it really being worth anything functionaly.
ShahFluffers Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance 3440	Posted - 2013.10.15 16:03:00 - [2] - Quote If you think that a few extra % on your tank is useless for your logi... well, I don't know what to say. You're wrong. Logi ships get shot at just like any other... perhaps more so because they are logi. That "little" extra armor or shields CAN sometimes be the difference between life and death. Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective.
A bysium Null Universe Space Technician The Black Planets 0	Posted - 2013.10.15 16:38:00 - [3] - Quote Im sorry, obviusly i didnt make myself clear. Slot 10 only provides armor +% and not shield +% which can be a bother if your minmatar or just dont do armor tanking but hey, thnx for bashing my idea with just saying that it CAN make a difference much valued
Gizznitt Malikite Agony Unleashed Agony Empire 2728	Posted - 2013.10.15 16:45:00 - [4] - Quote ShahFluffers wrote: If you think that a few extra % on your tank is useless for your logi... well, I don't know what to say. You're wrong. Logi ships get shot at just like any other... perhaps more so because they are logi. That "little" extra armor or shields CAN sometimes be the difference between life and death. To reitterate what Shah said: The HG-100X Implants that give a boost to armor amount is extremely useful to a logi pilot. This is moreso for amor logi than shield, but every bit of buffer is an extra second to catch reps. In general, logi's have a very solid tank... My Exeq, Guardian, Onieros, and Aug all sport 1600 plates and resist mods in the low. My Scythe, Scimi, Basi, and Osprey all sport LSE's and shield hardeners. So, what do you mean "Logi's aint built to tank"????? What are you using your logi for, because 90% of the logi ships I know of are very much built to tank. The only logi's that "aint built to tank" are almost exclusively used as cheap POS reppers (i.e. max reps in non-hostile situations), which is a very narrow role to be utilizing your logi ship.
A bysium Null Universe Space Technician The Black Planets 0	Posted - 2013.10.15 17:00:00 - [5] - Quote Im sorry, ill just stick the +armor% in my head and tatoo myself a reminder that I shouldnt have ideas as what you see is what you get. No guys, seriusly, thnx for reviewing my ideas objectively Also, I apologise for my obviusly insane idea about logis not built for tank, as it seems to insult those who stick a ton of plates and extenders on theirs. Its a valid strategy, no objections there. But when running in a good fleet, a valid strategy might also be in not having all module slots used up for personal gain, as the fleet might prefer that you have stuff that rather supports the fleet rather than just yourself. As a personal opinion, even the 1 shield extender that I do have mounted represents a sig increase I am not too happy about.
Mra Rednu Black Watch Guard 418	Posted - 2013.10.15 18:27:00 - [6] - Quote In a decently setup fleet you should have command links to reduce the sig though
Verity Sovereign Sovereign Fleet Tax Shelter 587	Posted - 2013.10.15 19:07:00 - [7] - Quote While a + to armor HP is useful for the armor logis... its pretty useless for the shield logis (IMO, shield and armor implants should take the same slots) - given that they'll have large armor resist holes, and a small armor buffer to begin with (6% * a small number is smaller than 6% * a large number... duh) At least if it was a +% hull HP, it would be more or less equal for the two logi types. I will +1 the suggestion.
Caldari 5 D.I.L.L.I.G.A.F. S.A.S Northern Associates. 116	Posted - 2013.10.16 00:52:00 - [8] - Quote Buffer HP is Buffer HP regardless of where it is, Shield, Armor or Structure The Implant may be more useful than another because of the ship/s that you are flying. But an increase in HP is an increase in HP. That extra HP may be the difference between getting out in 2% Structure and loosing your ship.
Oswaldos Sine Nobilitatis 13	Posted - 2013.10.16 02:13:00 - [9] - Quote I could see the point ... In general I think ccp needs to look at rebalancing implants about 80% of implants are never used due to various reasons
Sarah Stallman International Unification 14	Posted - 2013.10.16 11:26:00 - [10] - Quote I happen to own a slightly overtanked Basilisk. According to Pyfa, at all skills V it has 3.46k armor EHP with even damage spread. With the HG-1008 (at more than five times the total cost of the ship+fit!) increases that to 3.74k. Yep. 4.7 million ISK per point of EHP. Totally useful.

A bysium Null Universe Space Technician The Black Planets 0	Posted - 2013.10.16 19:34:00 - [11] - Quote Genolution 1 - 4 CR-6 CC-6 sansha somthing (+shield cap +shield recharge) and one more for shield recharge I take my implants seriusly...


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