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Zappity Kurved Space 535	Posted - 2013.10.16 07:25:00 - [1] - Quote I've been wandering through null in an alt lately. I see HEAPS of combat sites available in both NPC and sov null. I donGÇÖt understand why anyone would run missions in highsec. Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec.
Zappity Kurved Space 535	Posted - 2013.10.16 07:37:00 - [2] - Quote What's the Ishtar fit? I have no clue about PvE fits but those sure are tempting sums :) Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec.
Zappity Kurved Space 535	Posted - 2013.10.16 07:48:00 - [3] - Quote Lipbite wrote: Zappity wrote: I've been wandering through null in an alt lately. I see HEAPS of combat sites available in both NPC and sov null. I donGÇÖt understand why anyone would run missions in highsec. Because people don't need that much money for comfortable (hi-sec) gameplay. [/list] What 'gameplay' is there in highsec apart from mission running? Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec.
Zappity Kurved Space 535	Posted - 2013.10.16 09:01:00 - [4] - Quote Onictus wrote: not have to deal with the aggravation of hauling **** back to empire to sell it. Wormholes are your friend, specifically those that lead straight to highsec. Lowsec holes are more common and work fine if you are close to a quiet highsec entry. Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec.
Zappity Kurved Space 535	Posted - 2013.10.16 09:12:00 - [5] - Quote Klandi wrote: I would like to wade in here with the comment that you are looking at just one aspect of making money in Eve - effectively ratting. As I am an industrialist - this thread helps me how? It is probably the most common method of making ISK. I trade but don't begrudge people their ratting threads. Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec.
Zappity Kurved Space 536	Posted - 2013.10.16 10:01:00 - [6] - Quote Onictus wrote: Zappity wrote: Onictus wrote: not have to deal with the aggravation of hauling **** back to empire to sell it. Wormholes are your friend, specifically those that lead straight to highsec. Lowsec holes are more common and work fine if you are close to a quiet highsec entry. For ten months out of the year I am under war dec, not flying around Jita with a couple billion in a blockade runner. Wormhole or not. Hence hi sec alts,because it's a waste of time chasing the market hub campers. It's quicker to have a hauler alt staged and just jump to low. Drop it at the first highsec system you enter and use public courier contracts to get it to the closest hub, then to Jita. It costs less than 1% of the collateral amount. Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec.
Zappity Kurved Space 536	Posted - 2013.10.16 10:09:00 - [7] - Quote Onictus wrote: Zappity wrote: Onictus wrote: Zappity wrote: Onictus wrote: not have to deal with the aggravation of hauling **** back to empire to sell it. Wormholes are your friend, specifically those that lead straight to highsec. Lowsec holes are more common and work fine if you are close to a quiet highsec entry. For ten months out of the year I am under war dec, not flying around Jita with a couple billion in a blockade runner. Wormhole or not. Hence hi sec alts,because it's a waste of time chasing the market hub campers. It's quicker to have a hauler alt staged and just jump to low. Drop it at the first highsec system you enter and use public courier contracts to get it to the closest hub, then to Jita. It costs less than 1% of the collateral amount. You don't get it high sec is 28 jumps away.....That is with jump bridges. No, I don't get it. Highsec is ONE jump away if you find the right wormhole, a wormhole in null that leads straight to highsec. Alternatively, a more common wormhole that leads to a quiet lowsec system very close to a highsec system. Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec.
Zappity Kurved Space 536	Posted - 2013.10.16 10:28:00 - [8] - Quote Onictus wrote: Quote: No, I don't get it. Highsec is ONE jump away if you find the right wormhole, a wormhole in null that leads straight to highsec. Alternatively, a more common wormhole that leads to a quiet lowsec system very close to a highsec system. Little miracle called a carrier, jump to low, fly out in with a neutral alt. I'm not wasting 2 hours fishing for holes that may go in right direction. Well done, you have a carrier. Your initial post was whinging about the supposed difficulties of ratting in nullsec, namely getting the loot out. Here, I'll post it for you: Onictus wrote: But I can make 60/hr in high sec while in fleets with a high sec alt with borderline skills and 250 mil of raven AND not have to deal with the aggravation of hauling **** back to empire to sell it. So you rat in highsec because getting everything back from null is a real pain. Wormholes are a way around this for people who don't have carrier or jump bridge support. Which you do. So what's your problem? Maybe you are just argumentative by nature. Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec.
Zappity Kurved Space 540	Posted - 2013.10.16 20:58:00 - [9] - Quote Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: Nullsec is sold on a greater carebearism. Ha, I nominate this as quote of the thread. It is a generalisation just as true as 'all highsec players are risk-averse carebears'. Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec.
Zappity Kurved Space 545	Posted - 2013.10.17 03:27:00 - [10] - Quote Anomaly One wrote: only risk to be found is in low sec, it's like somalia over there] Hehe, actually a very good description! Come join us - we promise we will shoot at you. Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec.

Zappity Kurved Space 545	Posted - 2013.10.17 03:42:00 - [11] - Quote Angeal MacNova wrote: Infinity Ziona wrote: Onictus wrote: Anomaly One wrote: Quote: In the end, all you are is the guy at the street corner shouting gibberish wearing a tinfoil hat, like the rest of them. not really, because it's true, the rest isn't a reply just.. something.. only people who deny it are the one profiting from it, there is no isk to be made in high sec unless you're a nullbear with an alt which multiple posters have already confirmed themselves as such. "high sec has better isk because no risk" nah because you won't dare to take a risk, like the high sec bear who logs out after a wardec a nullbear will log out but to his mission alt in high sec.. only risk to be found is in low sec, it's like somalia over there. but i'm ranting here already don't care either way nothing will change, just stopping people from crying "nerf highsec" to think they got it right. Tell that the arazu that has been chasing me around. Nope no risk in null sec. Well its not SAFE. But I feel a lot more comfortable zipping around in a 800 million ship full of billions in loot in Goon space than I do travelling the same way in high sec. In high sec you can die anytime some decides they want to suicide you, in Null, you can die when you mess up, or when someone is better than you, both of those deaths are acceptable. In Null there is certainty and quantifiable risk. Not in high sec. Really, and do tell with what 800M, combat fit, ship would go down before concord showed up in even a .5 system? OK, I'll tell: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=283417 Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec.
Zappity Kurved Space 545	Posted - 2013.10.17 04:27:00 - [12] - Quote Chopper Rollins wrote: Nice caps. If you live in a part of the world where you can't make 3$ an hour then explain why you are either spending 15 a month on interweb spaecships or grinding the isk up to pay for it. My whole point is either way you are wasting money or time. I'm serious, if earning more than 3$ an hour is an issue you have no business paying for this or PVEarning the play money for it. God. Dammit. Um, maybe some people enjoy running sites. I don't understand why either but the state of both highsec and nullsec supports this as being true. Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec.
Zappity Kurved Space 546	Posted - 2013.10.17 09:48:00 - [13] - Quote Onictus wrote: Infinity Ziona wrote: Onictus wrote: Infinity Ziona wrote: Seem unable or unwilling to operate independently and even on sites that are easily soloable they'll run them with minimum 2 or more. Not my fault they're scared to spread out and need to compete for sites. That is because we have to be available to make sure we HAVE the space. If all you do is rat "independently" you and/or your corp are not going to be in an alliance very long. I'm quite capable of ninja rating wherever I choose, I also choose to stay close to staging because stuff needs to get done and "phat loots" doesn't rep your jump bridge POSs. Isn't that self defeating. You cant use your space because you need to be available to HAVE the space. What's the point of having it if you cant use it? Fights. I hate bearing, there are 20 things I would rather be doing. Ratting, Pos stuff, logistics....all annoy me, I'd.rather be shooting at someone. So come to lowsec. What's the point of null empires if the infrastructure just annoys you? If all you want is fights they are available without the bollocks. Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec.
Zappity Kurved Space 546	Posted - 2013.10.17 10:41:00 - [14] - Quote Onictus wrote: Zappity wrote: Onictus wrote: Fights. I hate bearing, there are 20 things I would rather be doing. Ratting, Pos stuff, logistics....all annoy me, I'd.rather be shooting at someone. So come to lowsec. What's the point of null empires if the infrastructure just annoys you? If all you want is fights they are available without the bollocks. I lived in low sec for a long time. It's boring. You spend tons of time looking for fights, little time fighting them. I've got to admit that's true for anything larger than a cruiser. Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec.
Zappity Kurved Space 551	Posted - 2013.10.17 20:02:00 - [15] - Quote Jenn makes a strong case for not renting in null. Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec.
Zappity Kurved Space 554	Posted - 2013.10.18 01:25:00 - [16] - Quote Infinity Ziona wrote: cyndrogen wrote: Infinity Ziona wrote: Dr0000 Maulerant wrote: Yes. complete safety. Definitely no cloaky t3's to deal with when you have sov! You can even bring the noctis out, unescorted. Seriously though, my null adventure involved a tachy oracle and excitement when I got a 5 mil tick. I cant imagine it's a guristas/bloods difference. You realize that in a combat site you cannot be hot dropped and you also cannot be surprised now that a cloaky must uncloak to use an acceleration gate? You can also drop a couple of cans at the warp in point to decloak any cloaky you miss using the acceleration gate. The majority are multiple gated sites so cloaky must use multiple gates and slow boat to each acceleration gate. If you have an alt on the entry gate there is 0% chance you'll ever be surprised by a cloaky since you'll see them uncloak. Been out there for a month deep in Goon space and haven't so much as been locked by a Goon. You would have to be blind and completely wasted to get caught in a combat site. actually not true, you can warp at 2500m, decloaks are 2000m, a good pilot will not trigger a decloak. Its been changed. Click warp on acceleration gate outside of 2000 and you will approach gate till you're at 2000. That's interesting. I just tried this in lowsec on a FW plex gate. I warped instantly at 2400m, did not approach. At 2700m I approached. Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec.