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Jericho	Posted - 2003.08.28 13:41:00 - [31] You are an ***** Molly. How could anyone ever take you seriously when you flame every single thing about the game... If I was a GM and saw a petition from "Molly", I would toss that **** right in the recycle bin...
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.08.28 13:43:00 - [32] Edited by: Jash Illian on 28/08/2003 13:46:00 I understand Molly's anger at it perfectly. If you give it a second of thought, you'd prolly be outraged too. CCP has left people vulnerable to an exploit for over a month. It has told people, via their repeated warnings, how to use this exploit. It has had pirates tripping over themselves in an effort to track down the bug and eliminate it. So why be outraged? Because almost from day 1 it was tracked to being sound related and instead of quickly removing the frelling sound, people had to go through a month of them playing with synthesizers and sound cards. The sound for the module is far less a necessity than the module itself. Last patch, most of my sounds deactivated. But I can still play the frellin game. Spooky but I can still hear a lock alert and that's all that's required IMO. Quote: You are an ***** Molly. How could anyone ever take you seriously when you flame every single thing about the game... If I was a GM and saw a petition from "Molly", I would toss that ** right in the recycle bin... Someone said something this and mentioned the gene pool. I said in reply I like Molly's end of the Gene Pool better than the end you describe. That's the end of the gene pool that'd rather drown than climb in a boat with someone they don't like. That's also the stupid** end of the gene pool. Hopefully CCP shows more maturity than people from that end of the gene pool. Else they're gonna drown. I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Molly	Posted - 2003.08.28 13:44:00 - [33] Lol. Calling a skilled programmer a noob programmer is not the end of the world. Everyone makes mistakes, I have coded enough of bugs by myself. But knowing about them and not fixing them and DOCUMENTING them for the public makes me somehow mad. Too much steps around a problem.
Winterblink	Posted - 2003.08.28 13:47:00 - [34] Quote: You are an ***** Molly. How could anyone ever take you seriously when you flame every single thing about the game... If I was a GM and saw a petition from "Molly", I would toss that **** right in the recycle bin... She/he is NOT flaming every single thing about the game, this is a very specific issue that is absurd in the time it's taken to fix. I mean what's next, will there be an SOE-style removal of the item from the game entirely? I think that IS the next step in the EverQuest Bugfixing Manual, right after the banning of users getting smacked by a fixable bug. ___winterblink/warp_drive_active/eve_nature_vraie//
Master Scy	Posted - 2003.08.28 13:57:00 - [35] I expected CCP to release a patch to fix those sensor boosters within a couple of days after announcing they were aware of the exploit. Not having done so is quite unprofessional. ----------------------------- You think Marco Polo said "Damn Mongolians were camping that cave entry into the next valley the entire day, you can't get friggin anywhere in the world with those damn griefer tribes all over the place" ? -Indigo Seqi
EvePlayer 13	Posted - 2003.08.28 14:02:00 - [36] CCP could have fixed this problem at any time in the last 2 months. They could simply have removed the sound from those items until they found the cause. Instead they want to start banning people for using the only module that gives you a chance in PvP. I say that is total bull **** CCP.
NeoMorph	Posted - 2003.08.28 14:15:00 - [37] Well we have just tested out the fix (a new audio.dll) on Chaos and it looks to be a winner... I'd rather they didnt rush a fix out as that is the sort of thing that causes more bugs to appear. Been there, done that, got the *******ing... heh ------------------------------------------- <Stavros> the first motor bike i ever rode <Stavros> was a honda gold wing <Ak-Gara> hah <Stavros>
Othnark	Posted - 2003.08.28 15:19:00 - [38] Well it looks like all you Molly-whiners stuck your feet about knee-deep into your collective mouthes. Unscheduled downtime to fix the sensor boosters.... nice work. Does anyone know if this will take care of the cap neutralizers also? -Othnark
Molly	Posted - 2003.08.28 15:43:00 - [39] Thank you for fixing it CCP. There is hope.
Ulstan	Posted - 2003.08.28 15:44:00 - [40] "IIRC 'tis was met with no (public) response or acknowledgment from the dev team..." Nope, nothing. :( But suddenly, the same day Molly makes this post, we get results! The emergency patch we needed :)
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2003.08.28 15:46:00 - [41] Asking for things to be done should never involve ceaseless ranting and raving about how CCP are "liars", Molly. Hurrah! for the fix though. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Molly	Posted - 2003.08.28 15:52:00 - [42] We can not track the usage of ship modules for reimbursement issues. We can track the usage of ship modules for exploit issues. Contradicting, isn't it? In both cases someone is crashing. I am ending the discussion here for me with the final statement that everyone would be more satisfied if CCP would do such emergency fixing on a regular basis. I think the community doesn't have problems with daily or bi-weekly patches to improve game stability.
Ulstan	Posted - 2003.08.28 15:52:00 - [43] That's actually a good point I'd like to see addressed Joshua. CCP is lying, no doubt about it. Either they can track module use, like they say they can to ban people using sensor boosters, or they can't track module use, like they say when it comes to reimbursing lost ships. Obviously both can't be true, so one is untrue, hence, they are lying. Personally, given the very mediocre logging ability CCP seems to have, I am guessing the lie is when they say they can track modules and it was nothing more than an empty threat to try to scare people into not using the modules.
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2003.08.28 15:55:00 - [44] Perhaps they can track the KIND of module but not the specific module itself. I have no idea if CCP were lying and I'd hate to throw that kind of accusation around without solid proof. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Ana Khouri	Posted - 2003.08.28 16:01:00 - [45] Edited by: Ana Khouri on 28/08/2003 16:02:06 Quote: Perhaps they can track the KIND of module but not the specific module itself. Even if that's the case CCP is still contradicting itself. The ability to track the kind of module would totally suffice to track down a bug-related ship loss. Btw - when exactly was the sensor booster bug first made public in the forums? Would be usefull to know so one can estimate when you can use energy neutralizers as well. free speech not allowed here
Gushi	Posted - 2003.08.28 16:15:00 - [46] Okay, now we just have to wait for the next big bug so CCP can threaten us for expoliting it again. You made excellent points Molly and I back your flamming 100%. I have lost 2 blackbirds and a Moa fully loaded with moduals due to CTD's. 2 of them I can be almost certain were caused by either boosters or dampeners. I didn't file a petition because the loss only fuels my fire to flame. But seriously though is it really so hard to stay on top of fixes. I know at times I get behind in my work, but then I just put forth the extra effort to get caught up. It's just simple job security, but then maybe most of these CCP Devs are fresh in the job market and don't quite understand job security yet. Take what ya kin... Gives nothin back!!!
Toshiro Hasegawa	Posted - 2003.08.28 16:27:00 - [47] My guess - and only it is only a guess - is that CCP "can" track, but "will not". The "can not" suggesting not the ability to do so, but the ability to do so while doing everything else. To have to check back every time someone loses a ship would be a pain the butt and would limit time spent on patches, fixes, and releasing new material; this making it impossible and thus validating the ôcantö statement. The one thing i would like to add, is that I do not think you can please everyone all the time. If since release they had not added anything new, but had fixed all the bugs, there would be just as many people in here screaming about the need for this and that to be added to the game. People will always find fault, especially in others, and I am all in favour of these faults being voiced. What I have issue with, is the lack of respect people show for their fellow humans, but I guess that is the state our societies find themselves in. On a public forum there is no need for slander, profanity or general confrontational language, especially when you are trying to get a lucid, valuable point across; it always detracts from the argument being presented. Age is not a factor, I have seen children, younger than the youngest player in Eve show more maturity than many members of our community. Possibly the anonymity of the internet lends itself to people feeling that there is no need for decorum, or possibly some people were never taught the need for it. In our western society the individual is so exalted that many find it impossible to see past their own centric view of the world and display even a modicum of empathy. For shame. - History is the Study of Change
Winterblink	Posted - 2003.08.28 16:46:00 - [48] Toshi, The unfortunate truth is age is OFTEN a factor, but not always a factor. You'd probably be surprised just how many of the blatantly idiotic individuals on this board aren't the stereotypical 13 year old retards you'd expect. The flip side of course is that I've met plenty of people around that age in MMOGs that are lightyears more mature than most players. I guess the point is, idiocy isn't based solely on a specific age group. :) ___winterblink/warp_drive_active/eve_nature_vraie//
Sputnik Stan	Posted - 2003.08.28 16:52:00 - [49] Quote: We can not track the usage of ship modules for reimbursement issues. We can track the usage of ship modules for exploit issues. Contradicting, isn't it? In both cases someone is crashing. I am ending the discussion here for me with the final statement that everyone would be more satisfied if CCP would do such emergency fixing on a regular basis. I think the community doesn't have problems with daily or bi-weekly patches to improve game stability. Seeing as the server is down daily, daily bug fixes should definitely be introduced. With regard to tracking module activation, I've had communications from GMs regarding module activation (at the start of retail), so they have some sort of tracking ability. How useful it is I can't say. Seeing as ccp do not excel in the organisation, information passing department it wouldn't suprise me if the ability to track module activation was not known by alot of GMs or they are being kept in the dark to keep petition load lower. This post is mostly speculation, seeing as solid information is hard to come by, beleive it at your own peril. Nice one Molly, seems like your thread fixed a bug for us.
Rinekar	Posted - 2003.08.28 17:01:00 - [50] Quote: I have petitioned this politly and asked to pass the information to the developers. I find this highly improbable, because your conduct on the board is quite the opposite... Koensayr Drive Yards [KOEN] Website
Magallen	Posted - 2003.08.28 17:02:00 - [51] CTS's suck and I'm sure CCP is hard at work fixing them. By the way CCP are not n00b programmers, the game runs very well and is quite stable and just a few months into it's launch too. What I may say is CCP is a bunch of n00b MMORPG developers. Their are so many balancing issues in this game and most of these they should have seen comming a mile away. Some of the things they do with the patches boggles my mind it goes against sensibility and common sense. I think CCP team is so small that right now all they can go is go play bug hunter with EVE. Balancing and content is taking a backseat for the technical stuff first.
Ulstan	Posted - 2003.08.28 17:42:00 - [52] "I find this highly improbable, because your conduct on the board is quite the opposite..." It doesn't matter if you find it improbable that Molly did or not - she is far from the only person who spent time trying to bring this to the devs attention. All of us were pretty much ignored :)
Winterblink	Posted - 2003.08.28 17:50:00 - [53] Quote: "I find this highly improbable, because your conduct on the board is quite the opposite..." It doesn't matter if you find it improbable that Molly did or not - she is far from the only person who spent time trying to bring this to the devs attention. All of us were pretty much ignored :) Ignored is probably an overstatement. I'm sure it went on someone's to-do list, or ended up on a napkin near someone's desk. :) ___winterblink/warp_drive_active/eve_nature_vraie//
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.08.28 17:56:00 - [54] Quote: Quote: I have petitioned this politly and asked to pass the information to the developers. I find this highly improbable, because your conduct on the board is quite the opposite... Doesn't matter what you belive. Fact of the matter is your beliefs don't count I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
SuicideFred	Posted - 2003.08.28 17:57:00 - [55] Quote: Edited by: Molly on 28/08/2003 12:27:17 Sorry CCP, but you are a bunch of incompetent liers. You said you were going to quit. I guess you lied huh?
Ana Khouri	Posted - 2003.08.28 22:06:00 - [56] Which makes the entrie issue with ccps...duability ok, right? @ which flame molly - who has some very valid points - one only uses personel attacks when he has no arguments left... free speech not allowed here
Molly	Posted - 2003.11.10 03:15:00 - [57] Sorry for bringing this old topic up, but with the recent discussions about the falling playerbase I'd like to ask CCP: HOW CAN YOU LEAVE A BUG WITH KNOWLEDGE OF THIS BUG FOR 4 MONTHS IN THE GAME? Quoting myself here as of 2003-08-28: Quote: Thank you for fixing it CCP. There is hope. There is no hope. It's fixed in the current development branch on Chaos. What has been fixed so far on TQ was the audio bug, not the original older one. So, it takes them approx 4 months (4 MONTHS!) to apply a fix to Chaos. I wonder if there is a coherence between CCP's inability to fix bugs and the decreasing player base. But since Sensor Dampeners got a nice nerf and the player base dropped (= less Sensor Dampener users = less ship losses) they do not care at all. -- Kasha > Mastema, face the reality: All the juicy dots are gone. --
Dyvim Slorm	Posted - 2003.11.10 05:19:00 - [58] Edited by: Dyvim Slorm on 10/11/2003 05:21:50 I had this exploit used against me. As far as the GM's are concerned it's now a valid part of gameplay on the grounds that everyone knows about it. Molly's right on this one, I don't think CCP give a damn about it.

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